Paul and Pauline Never Looked So Good

Poser is not dead. It’s not even on life support. Stay tuned for some exciting news.

Heh. I never thought it was, but this is cool to hear.

More Toys to play with :)

Groovy!

Just got the email now. On the one hand I want to get excited but on the other, if the only thing "big" about this announcement is an updated Paul & Pauline ...

:crosses fingers: Hopes & prays for some really BIG Poser progress.

Just got this too. Am hoping to see more news!

Poser is fine. Can't say the same for Smith-Micro's customer service right now.

ha ha ha !!

I just get a vision of Tumblweed for some reason..... :/

We will see how serious SM is taking care of their figures, when we have P&PV2 in our runtimes. I am sceptical about this. Now that ProjectE is on the way, I am even more sceptical, because PE shows, what is possible and what have should have been done by SM before. But we'll see, what they will look like.

It is a step by step process, and good to see SM makes its own steps. With reard to support afterward maybe they learned from the past. We will see.

Timing? ProjectE has been on the way quite a while and signs of release are only pretty recent and un-confirmed. Also Bella is around also in Beta version but slow progress. Both are the work of one-man bands.

It can be expected P&PV2 will be merchant resources just like the original figures are, so intended aalso to be a starting point of development. That puts different requirements to a figure. If promises come through, I think we will have the best figures for the respective purposes.

An upgrade for Paul and Pauline???? Are you joking? Two of the most pathetic characters who, if you notice, no one seems to ever use. Come up with someone like Michael 8 or Victoria 8 and then I'll take you serious.

Honestly I see more G3 use than M8, V8, or G8.

Drafter, you don't look around, much. I use both Pauline and Paul and post in the gallery. Perhaps once morphed they don't look so different from the V.s and M.s.

FVerbaas posted at 4:05AM Sun, 10 December 2017 - #4319770

Timing? ProjectE has been on the way quite a while and signs of release are only pretty recent and un-confirmed.

Oh its coming out at Xmas come hell or high water. I just haven't had the time to announce it properly yet

RedPhantom posted at 7:22PM Sat, 09 December 2017 - #4319809

Drafter, you don't look around, much. I use both Pauline and Paul and post in the gallery. Perhaps once morphed they don't look so different from the V.s and M.s.

And it's posts like his that start flame wars and get the thread locked.

I use Pauline quite bit too. I just started working with Paul. Most of my work is in threads, though. I removed my gallery from here a long time ago.

erogenesis posted at 7:24PM Sat, 09 December 2017 - #4319814

FVerbaas posted at 4:05AM Sun, 10 December 2017 - #4319770

Timing? ProjectE has been on the way quite a while and signs of release are only pretty recent and un-confirmed.

Oh its coming out at Xmas come hell or high water. I just haven't had the time to announce it properly yet

Just don't rush anything, ero!

rokket posted at 6:08AM Sun, 10 December 2017 - #4319819

erogenesis posted at 7:24PM Sat, 09 December 2017 - #4319814

Oh its coming out at Xmas come hell or high water. I just haven't had the time to announce it properly yet

Just don't rush anything, ero!

hehehe don't worry, she's pretty ok now. After three years its maybe time to rush things a little bit eh? I'll eat my shorts if people cannot make art with her by now lol

Now How am I suppose to get the video of erogenesis eating his shorts out of my head.

Not to be mean or to start a flame war or any thing but Poser can be very helpful with making your own characters .They have a selections of characters to modifi if you can't make your own out of a cube like erogenesis n his shorts.anyone with very little skills can make out fits.but some want it all out of the box ,There's always been another company for that. Poser is Poser not who ever if you want Max, Z, or who ever ,How is that Posers concern.I'll never get why you would want the same girl every one else has.

rokket posted at 11:04AM Sun, 10 December 2017 - #4319818

RedPhantom posted at 7:22PM Sat, 09 December 2017 - #4319809

Drafter, you don't look around, much. I use both Pauline and Paul and post in the gallery. Perhaps once morphed they don't look so different from the V.s and M.s.

And it's posts like his that start flame wars and get the thread locked.

I use Pauline quite bit too. I just started working with Paul. Most of my work is in threads, though. I removed my gallery from here a long time ago.

Outside of this "gallery" I see very little of their use. I am not interested in having a pissing war with poser fans but to suggest that Paul and Pauline are great characters it seems we have a very different concept of "great"

Kazam561 posted at 11:06AM Sun, 10 December 2017 - #4319794

Honestly I see more G3 use than M8, V8, or G8.

The G3 characters are fantastic and I use them a lot as well

We all know Betty's the best cartoon ,Come on she cooks ,cleans n irons ,I mean really how can you beat that.

RorrKonn posted at 7:19PM Sun, 10 December 2017 - #4319864

We all know Betty's the best cartoon ,Come on she cooks ,cleans n irons ,I mean really how can you beat that.

How could you forget that great singing voice?? 'Boop-Oop-A-Doop!'

I loved the old Betty Boop cartoons. She had just the right amount of naughtiness

Lali is naughtier!

(btw that's a v4 from 2013, I'm not plugging pe here)

@Rorrkonn: I'm already preparing some seasoning for my shorts lol

The announcement says UpGRADE, not UpDATE, so is it just new figures, or Poser 12?

I'm thinking just new versions of Paul and Pauline. I haven't heard anything about Poser 12 coming out . . . yet.

drafter69 posted at 9:42PM Sun, 10 December 2017 - #4319852

rokket posted at 11:04AM Sun, 10 December 2017 - #4319818

RedPhantom posted at 7:22PM Sat, 09 December 2017 - #4319809

Drafter, you don't look around, much. I use both Pauline and Paul and post in the gallery. Perhaps once morphed they don't look so different from the V.s and M.s.

And it's posts like his that start flame wars and get the thread locked.

I use Pauline quite bit too. I just started working with Paul. Most of my work is in threads, though. I removed my gallery from here a long time ago.

Outside of this "gallery" I see very little of their use. I am not interested in having a pissing war with poser fans but to suggest that Paul and Pauline are great characters it seems we have a very different concept of "great"

I don't want a pissing contest either. To me it's like trying to teach a pig to sing. It wastes time and annoys the pig.

But I never stated they were great, only that I use them a lot. Well, I use Pauline a lot. I also use V4, Roxie, Miki 4 and Sydney a lot. I was all Dawn for several months. The male characters I use sometimes, but mostly I like working with the females. And I have only had V4 for a couple years.

And I never got the announcement either. Only heard it second hand.

So we wait with baited breath, eh?

DAZ basically gave Dawn the Poser thrown ,She was poised to be the new Poser Queen.

erogenesis .I would seriously ask my self why Dawn didn't become the new Queen and what went wrong .The answer holds the keys to E's success or failure.

RorrKonn posted at 1:22PM Mon, 11 December 2017 - #4319899

erogenesis .I would seriously ask my self why Dawn didn't become the new Queen and what went wrong .The answer holds the keys to E's success or failure.

Trust me I have. I was also one of the crowd when that whole show went down lol, along with my art buddies. You could almost say that PE was a direct response to that time. I don't wanna go into too much detail yet, but there's so many ways to look at this. I went with my instincts on this one, more-or-less focusing on a dream character for me and my buddies. Let's hope it works for many others too.

Dawn and Dusk are both very high quality characters... They are easy to work with and (most importantly) they look good.

The announcement says UpGRADE, not UpDATE, so is it just new figures, or Poser 12?

Maybe some day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsREgi9sILg&feature=youtu.be

Not just Paul & Pauline apparently, it's Poser 11.1, coming later this month. http://my.smithmicro.com/poser-11.1.html

Question now is can I scrounge up enough cash for an upgrade to the Pro version while it's still on offer at $49 US? I've been a (mostly) good little Byrdie, dear Santa, and besides it's my birthday in another 11 days.

Byrdie posted at 3:03PM Mon, 11 December 2017 - #4319937

Not just Paul & Pauline apparently, it's Poser 11.1, coming later this month. http://my.smithmicro.com/poser-11.1.html

Question now is can I scrounge up enough cash for an upgrade to the Pro version while it's still on offer at $49 US? I've been a (mostly) good little Byrdie, dear Santa, and besides it's my birthday in another 11 days.

wow..i missed that Poser Pro 11 for $49 .... wow .. as much as I'm broke I should grab it while its hot.... thats the lowest I've ever seen the pro upgrade. Whats interesting, they.re selling Poser 11 for $49 as well ...

Yeah, they say if you have Poser 11 already, which I do, you'll get 11.1 free when it's ready. Going to Pro will cost me around $65 Canadian, $79 if I pay the "download access for 2 years" fee. And I do believe that offer ends tomorrow, Dec. 12, so not much time to decide.

I'm seriously annoyed now. I saw the $49.95 offer and figured it was low enough to warrant upgrading. After finally getting through all the bloody nested scripts on their website, I get a price of 55 Euros. No. Just no. In my local currency that makes the price jump from 418 to 543. Not funny. I even tried American proxy to get the price in dollar. No go. I'm a sad panda right now :(

11.1 update ... the thing about animation being able to follow a path .. doesn't Poser do that already since several versions back? I dont do animations much, but I remember drawing a path and the character followed it ... animated as it went..walking, running, or whatever ...

perhaps it's an improved path.

drafter69 posted at 6:32PM Mon, 11 December 2017 - #4319928

Dawn and Dusk are both very high quality characters... They are easy to work with and (most importantly) they look good.

I think there great characters also. I really expected Dawn to take the Poser thrown and to be Vicky's predecessor. But I think Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets is a killer video also.

DreaminGirl posted at 6:43PM Mon, 11 December 2017 - #4319941

I'm seriously annoyed now. I saw the $49.95 offer and figured it was low enough to warrant upgrading. After finally getting through all the bloody nested scripts on their website, I get a price of 55 Euros. No. Just no. In my local currency that makes the price jump from 418 to 543. Not funny. I even tried American proxy to get the price in dollar. No go. I'm a sad panda right now :(

Sounds like EA Star Wars Battlefront 2 game

Well, I just paid €51 (= $60) for my upgrade. It's the additional V.A.T. tax that Fastspring collects for them. It's annoying, but it's still a good deal.

I doubt I have much use for P&P as standalone figures , but the (new) heads at least look good enough that I might spend the time constructing M4Lod/Paul and V4Lod/Pauline hybrids, based on my weightmappd LoRez M4/V4: Weightmapped M4LOD

(OMG, is it four years already that I made those?)

(I'm working on an M4LOD/M3RR hybrid right now)

I just installed Poser 11 Pro, and so far everything looks good. Positively no need for "Supafly", at least not on this slow a** i5 laptop. Maybe when I get my i7. But the "high rez morphs" capeable morphbrush might turn out useful on some of my low-rez LOD figures.

Looks like SM got rid of the extrnal library and "Air". Good! Love the fact that I can edit the font size directly from inside Poser.

Will have to do some poser.ini changes now to rally feel "at home" again. Lol.

JoePublic I said it before and I'll say it again .Poser would do well to higher you to make ALL there rigs .

RorrKonn posted at 9:50PM Mon, 11 December 2017 - #4319899

DAZ basically gave Dawn the Poser thrown ,She was poised to be the new Poser Queen.

erogenesis .I would seriously ask my self why Dawn didn't become the new Queen and what went wrong .The answer holds the keys to E's success or failure.

I can answer that.

Because rather than give us a complete morph set, Chris decided to work on that flippin' horse instead. Once you get the full morph package, you can do quite a bit with her.

I didn't adopt Dawn as my new Poser go-to figure because her mesh lacked built in muscularity. That means that any extra detail had to be faked via displacement maps or HD morphs. Which are both not easy to create without professional tools.

OTOH, when you use a figure with built in muscularity topology, then great detail is just a morph away. These are M2 and Stephanie 1, which are both the exact same mesh:

That's why Dawn ultimately failed with me: Even though I tried to fix her as good as I could:

Dawn to Danielle

But in the end I realized I never would be able to do the things with her I can do with a mesh like V3:

(Yes, these are all V3, sculpted right inside Poser using magnets and the morph brush only)

(And yeah, I do know that Dawn can morph into a horse. But I have to admit, that's a talent I rarely need for my work)

Perhaps Dawn's biggest handicap is that she just isn't a goer. (Know whatahmean, nudge nudge?)

Crotch mesh topology shots of V3(Top), V4(Middle) and Dawn (Bottom):

I do believe that's deliberate when it comes to Dawn. She and Dusk aren't supposed to have anything remotely resembling genitals. Ever. And while I don't do a lot of bippy shots, on the occasion that I do render a nude the missing parts would be very obvious.

For nude Dawn renders that don't go to the level of a gynaecological examination you could always try this

https://www.sharecg.com/v/71103/browse/11/Poser/Cameltoe-and-Nipple-morphs-for-Dawn

you can buy Dawns Anatomical Elements at the "!@@#$^^&%" store.

v3 topology is a nightmare.if you SubDed it ,I doubt .That's the problem High poly count meshes n Vector maps.Damned if you do Damned if you don't.

One version of Diamond has Anatomical Elements but it's a topology nightmare you need a lot of topology in a small space n there's not a lot of topology from the surrounding body.Then you end up with a lot of quaded tri's that's not the smoothest topology. When you go to model humans you realize polygons are a nightmare n flawed at the core n why SubDed quad every thing is the dumbest stunt CGI has ever pulled.

wolf359 posted at 9:38PM Tue, 12 December 2017 - #4319935

The announcement says UpGRADE, not UpDATE, so is it just new figures, or Poser 12?

Maybe some day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsREgi9sILg&feature=youtu.be

Cool, but sadly not Poser; that video was of 'EVE Incursion character creator test build 202056' nicked from here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5i_mgF7Vas

With Apologies to Longfellow:

" Then pealed the bells more loud and deep: 'Poser is not dead, nor doth It sleep; The Wrong shall fail, The Right prevail, With peace on earth, good-will to men.'"

erogenesis posted at 1:52PM Sun, 17 December 2017 - #4319814

FVerbaas posted at 4:05AM Sun, 10 December 2017 - #4319770

Timing? ProjectE has been on the way quite a while and signs of release are only pretty recent and un-confirmed.

Oh its coming out at Xmas come hell or high water. I just haven't had the time to announce it properly yet

Ero, I’m a huge fan of your work and I find the overall quality and real world believability a huge inspiration. The impending release of your figure was my primary motivation to finally upgrade to the current version of Poser last week. I sincerely hope that the powers that be duly note your contributions to the community.