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Subject: La Femme Lacking....
You might do better to, as mentioned, head for Renderotica and ask if anyone there is building one. Lots of good folks there who make girlie-bits (and, well, boy-bits to fit on girl meshes, etc) that seem to work fairly well for (and often beyond) intended function.
You might be able to kitbash a somewhat functioning bearded clam by using (as a workable base) an existing geografted one built for Genesis3/8, Vicky4, Terai Yuki, or even Vicky 3... as an odd idea, you'd use the Fitting Room to convert the add-on bits, then use a magnet to pull up the interfering pelvic bits, and then cook up a roll-your-own texture that blends in - maybe put on some pubes to cover any stray irreconcilable seams?
I remember a hella long forum discussion on 'rotica (or PoserPros?) about this a long time ago, and that's the best my memory can cough up for suggested DIY solutions. Wish I could be more useful in that regard. Just note that it ain't gonna work as well as one purpose-built for the mesh.
The reason why the ladies arrive, shall we say, incomplete, is 1) DAZ is stationed in Utah, so LDS sensibilities kicked in for the longest time (plus they were marketing their figures to kids for awhile IIRC)... v4 was the first figure that didn't have a barbie-doll pelvis, IIRC, but you still had to get the bits separately? (This getting old crap sucks.)
Other meshmakers followed suit for the most part (plus it saved time in the workflow, etc.) Finally, in the bad old days (and even now), less mesh/tex/complexity = less strain on the render times, so unless your figures were riding the meat train to poundtown, it made no sense to mesh-in a working genital set (male or female).
Penguinisto posted at 12:20PM Fri, 09 August 2019 - #4359029
so unless your figures were riding the...
The Penguin just made my day.
Have you tried the Karina V? I think it's free and available at Renderotica, also, the creator of KV frequents these forums. She might be willing to listen to a polite request. No promises but if it fills what's lacking to keep with the thread title...
It does seem like a lot of mesh for something that won't be seen much, for many users, anyway. I think an add-on makes the most sense, if you need more than what LF, er...comes with.
I have no idea how much of an issue this is, but maybe figure creators could reach out at Rotica and ask if anyone wants to make an add-on? That is, if they don't want to be associated with that kind of thing themselves.
A_Sunbeam posted at 10:08PM Fri, 09 August 2019 - #4359036
Having had a look at Renderotica today, do you really want to be associated with what they offer and produce? OK, maybe I'm a dinosaur.
Wow, thanks for being judgemental..... You have zero idea why I want this figure to have a working vagina....
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Oh, c'mon guys - don't do the prude thing. We all have infinite-polycount versions of these naughty bits, and as we're most likely over the age of puberty, we all use them on the regular. Nothing to be ashamed of.
I popped back in the thread (groan all you want) because it kinda brings up a good point - much like the Internet at large, the penchant for making (and consuming, etc) pr0n and pr0n-enabling bits likely fuels a metric frig-ton of Poser sales (I daresay almost, if not, a majority of it), and yes, therefore fuels Poser vendor sales. Personally, it shouldn't matter if that lovely and highly-detailed Victorian-era winter dress is used as a printed-out romantic pic destined for some middle-aged docent's she-shed wall, or if it's about to get torn off in some slash-erotic webcomic, starring some alien creature with meter-long prehensile penises flailing off of every surface it has. Neither customer's credit card declined, did it?
Let the market speak, yo. 
So, with that (profits) in mind, why not cook one up? Sell it in 'rotica if the MP here is (understandably) squeamish about it, but don't pooh-pooh it outright, guys...
...okies, I'll shaddap now.
I don't know why it's not letting me quote, but
"I never cease to be amazed that a new figure comes out minus the bits, just what is it with that...?"
Before you think so, no I'm not judging, I myself swell into the erotica of the 2d kind. That said... Why amazed? Erotica is a niche. Figures tend to come ready for general purpose. Most people won't use it for that, and as was stated, there are some expectations in that sense when it comes to some marketplaces.
On what was said after: no, Renderosity doesn't allow porn. If they'd allow a product like that, it would have to show something else in the thumbnail and main image, and then the following promo images marked as NSFW would require no fingers touching there and no "crotch shot" either. So it would really not be the best place to market this kind of product.
That said, yes I'm aware a large chunk of Poser users are erotica creators. I've seen that some of the largest grossing erotic games on Patreon were made in Poser or DS. You might just have more luck asking for this in Renderotica, which is made just for that. :)
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Penguinisto posted at 6:29PM Fri, 09 August 2019 - #4359041
I popped back in the thread (groan all you want) because it kinda brings up a good point - much like the Internet at large, the penchant for making (and consuming, etc) pr0n and pr0n-enabling bits likely fuels a metric frig-ton of Poser sales (I daresay almost, if not, a majority of it), and yes, therefore fuels Poser vendor sales. Personally, it shouldn't matter if that lovely and highly-detailed Victorian-era winter dress is used as a printed-out romantic pic destined for some middle-aged docent's she-shed wall, or if it's about to get torn off in some slash-erotic webcomic, starring some alien creature with meter-long prehensile penises flailing off of every surface it has. Neither customer's credit card declined, did it?
Actually, it might. Some sites won't accept payment from Paypal, for instance. Paypal has a whole list of things that it won't release funds for online. And one of those things is Internet pr0n, or at least what it considers pr0n.
EClark1894 posted at 3:53PM Fri, 09 August 2019 - #4359043
Actually, it might. Some sites won't accept payment from Paypal, for instance. Paypal has a whole list of things that it won't release funds for online. And one of those things is Internet pr0n, or at least what it considers pr0n.
True, which is why 'rotica has a rather custom payment processor setup...
thefixer posted at 7:11PM Fri, 09 August 2019 - #4359040
Can admin please remove this topic, I should have known better than to try posting here..... Thank you to those of you that tried to help...
Please be aware that certain people don't speak for everyone. La Femme was first offered here at Rendo, this is the perfect place to inquire about extras for her and any other Poser figure.
thefixer posted at 4:24AM Sat, 10 August 2019 - #4359039
A_Sunbeam posted at 10:08PM Fri, 09 August 2019 - #4359036
Having had a look at Renderotica today, do you really want to be associated with what they offer and produce? OK, maybe I'm a dinosaur.
Wow, thanks for being judgemental.....
Is that judgemental? It was just my opinion about the stuff Rotica ehibits.
A_Sunbeam posted at 8:18AM Sat, 10 August 2019 - #4359055
thefixer posted at 4:24AM Sat, 10 August 2019 - #4359039
A_Sunbeam posted at 10:08PM Fri, 09 August 2019 - #4359036
Having had a look at Renderotica today, do you really want to be associated with what they offer and produce? OK, maybe I'm a dinosaur.
Wow, thanks for being judgemental.....
Is that judgemental? It was just my opinion about the stuff Rotica ehibits.
You clearly asked if I personally wanted to be associated with that kind of stuff...! That's judgemental to me..... Not that it's any of your business but I wanted it for an educational animation I'm doing, I thought it would work better than V4 and I don't have Genesis figures as I don't use DS...I rarely do images these days... So, can an Admin person please delete this topic...!
Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.
quietrob posted at 10:12AM Sat, 10 August 2019 - #4359054
Please be aware that certain people don't speak for everyone. La Femme was first offered here at Rendo, this is the perfect place to inquire about extras for her and any other Poser figure.
Precisely.
To be fair, he's still going to have to head for 'rotica to ask and look (because the odds are way better there), but I agree - no harm in asking around here for a kind vendor to mesh-up a working hoo-hah for LaFemme, is there?
(But damn... the deja-vu on this subject is astounding!)
FWIW, I tried to export LF's hip to take it to Wings for a (no pun intended) fiddle around. For some reason I couldn't get it to load in. First attempt crashed Wings, all subsequent attempts loaded nothing at all. Couldn't be arsed to try again but maybe I'll take a look some other time. Meanwhile, best of luck in your quest.
@ thefixer - I don't see owt wrong with Renderotica, either.; in fact, I bought Dina/Vina (remember that one?) from there, years back. Anyhow, don't take a random comment to heart, mate.
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SamTherapy posted at 2:48PM Sat, 10 August 2019 - #4359096
FWIW, I tried to export LF's hip to take it to Wings for a (no pun intended) fiddle around. For some reason I couldn't get it to load in. First attempt crashed Wings, all subsequent attempts loaded nothing at all. Couldn't be arsed to try again but maybe I'll take a look some other time. Meanwhile, best of luck in your quest.
That brings up a fun technical question... can Poser do something similar to geo-grafting? What I mean is, make a conformer, slave it to the hip/pelvis, 'lift' the texture off the torso, etc...?
SamTherapy posted at 5:54PM Sat, 10 August 2019 - #4359096
FWIW, I tried to export LF's hip to take it to Wings for a (no pun intended) fiddle around. For some reason I couldn't get it to load in. First attempt crashed Wings, all subsequent attempts loaded nothing at all. Couldn't be arsed to try again but maybe I'll take a look some other time. Meanwhile, best of luck in your quest.
Just tried it, It loads in version 2.2.4 did you hide those handles(control handles) and bring it down to 0 (SubD levels)
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Penguinisto posted at 12:20PM Sun, 11 August 2019 - #4359114
SamTherapy posted at 2:48PM Sat, 10 August 2019 - #4359096
FWIW, I tried to export LF's hip to take it to Wings for a (no pun intended) fiddle around. For some reason I couldn't get it to load in. First attempt crashed Wings, all subsequent attempts loaded nothing at all. Couldn't be arsed to try again but maybe I'll take a look some other time. Meanwhile, best of luck in your quest.
That brings up a fun technical question... can Poser do something similar to geo-grafting? What I mean is, make a conformer, slave it to the hip/pelvis, 'lift' the texture off the torso, etc...?
It's called geometry switching, and it's something Poser has been doing more or less from the start, basically a figure in Poser is a collection of props bolted to the bones of a skeleton, and all geo switching does is replace one or more of those props for new props.
Bejaymac posted at 10:59PM Sun, 11 August 2019 - #4359135
Penguinisto posted at 12:20PM Sun, 11 August 2019 - #4359114
SamTherapy posted at 2:48PM Sat, 10 August 2019 - #4359096
FWIW, I tried to export LF's hip to take it to Wings for a (no pun intended) fiddle around. For some reason I couldn't get it to load in. First attempt crashed Wings, all subsequent attempts loaded nothing at all. Couldn't be arsed to try again but maybe I'll take a look some other time. Meanwhile, best of luck in your quest.
That brings up a fun technical question... can Poser do something similar to geo-grafting? What I mean is, make a conformer, slave it to the hip/pelvis, 'lift' the texture off the torso, etc...?
It's called geometry switching, and it's something Poser has been doing more or less from the start, basically a figure in Poser is a collection of props bolted to the bones of a skeleton, and all geo switching does is replace one or more of those props for new props.
My understanding is that geografting is much more involved than just geometry switching, since it involves welding seams between the geograft and the parent actor. Certain facets of the parent must be hidden where they overlap the graft and texture UV maps must be interpolated if the graft has higher UV resolution than the replaced area of the parent actor's UV map. The Genesis figure range's genital props are geografted to the hip, but are not a complete hip replacement.
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an0malaus posted at 10:00AM Sun, 11 August 2019 - #4359139
My understanding is that geografting is much more involved than just geometry switching, since it involves welding seams between the geograft and the parent actor. Certain facets of the parent must be hidden where they overlap the graft and texture UV maps must be interpolated if the graft has higher UV resolution than the replaced area of the parent actor's UV map. The Genesis figure range's genital props are geografted to the hip, but are not a complete hip replacement.
Precisely, plus the ability to adapt on-the-fly to morph changes to the base figure.
Genitals are just one bit that does this - tails, horns, etc... lots of uses. :)
You can conform a lot of items made for V4 to La Femme and make it work by adjusting the conforming item’s hip forward and up. Clothing takes a little effort with posing and morph work. But for this particular situation, if you conform bits intended for V4, move the hip forward and down. No need for a new product. For the record, I have never actually used such bits.
CHK2033 posted at 7:31PM Sun, 11 August 2019 - #4359116
SamTherapy posted at 5:54PM Sat, 10 August 2019 - #4359096
FWIW, I tried to export LF's hip to take it to Wings for a (no pun intended) fiddle around. For some reason I couldn't get it to load in. First attempt crashed Wings, all subsequent attempts loaded nothing at all. Couldn't be arsed to try again but maybe I'll take a look some other time. Meanwhile, best of luck in your quest.
Just tried it, It loads in version 2.2.4 did you hide those handles(control handles) and bring it down to 0 (SubD levels)
Hid the handles and AFAIK, no subdivision. I'll give it another shot, though.
Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.
Update:
It was the subdivision throwing things off, AFAIK. Anyhow, exported, morphed, thrown back in Poser and it works. It's very simple but it's a start, | guess.
Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.
an0malaus posted at 4:00PM Mon, 12 August 2019 - #4359139
My understanding is that geografting is much more involved than just geometry switching, since it involves welding seams between the geograft and the parent actor. Certain facets of the parent must be hidden where they overlap the graft and texture UV maps must be interpolated if the graft has higher UV resolution than the replaced area of the parent actor's UV map. The Genesis figure range's genital props are geografted to the hip, but are not a complete hip replacement.
Not as much as you might think, the main difference is in the two figure systems, I said what a Poser figure was in my last post.
To keep it simple in DS a figure starts as a "Null", an anchor point that lots of stuff can be parented to, parented to this null is the mesh, doesn't even need to be grouped, just welded. Also parented to the null is the root node of the skeleton, the bone parent/child takes care of the rest, this basically means the mesh and skeleton are kept separate, so unlike Poser you can work on as much or as little of the mesh as you need.
About a year ago NetherWorks explained to me that a Poser figure can be setup in a very similar fashion to a DS figure, if that's the case then probably with a "bit" of help from Python, Poser could have a very similar system to Geo-graft.
I'm a DS abuser rather than a Poser abuser so you'll have to ask some of them if any of that last bit is possible.
Yes, I have delved deeply into the construction of DS figures, during an attempt to parse .DUF and .DSF files directly via Python script and load the figures into Poser (I stopped development at the point where I determined the difficulty of translating the different weight mapping systems without access to internal knowledge). What's not available in Poser, though (no Python hooks at all for such features) is the mechanism to seamlessly (i.e. with smooth normal transitions) weld prop meshes of any kind in place of a subsection of an actor's mesh. Geometry swapping would need to replace the original actor with a modified version including the additional mesh, and then you instantly have the problem of no possibility (as in not implemented in Poser) of translating morph deltas between the two meshes. DS is designed to do this explicitly, Poser is not, and may not (Note that I'm not saying cannot) ever be. Part of the geograft definition specifies which of the parent actor's vertices form the border with the graft and exactly match individual border vertices of the graft. Poser has no mechanism for this. The DSON importer addon (which is in major part the guts of Studio that deal with file handling and mesh setup) can deal with this, but it's not being updated and is not an integral part of Poser.
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Afrodite-Ohki posted at 1:24PM Tue, 13 August 2019 - #4359262
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A_Sunbeam posted at 7:04PM Tue, 13 August 2019 - #4359036
Having had a look at Renderotica today, do you really want to be associated with what they offer and produce? OK, maybe I'm a dinosaur
i think because so many people have negative reactions to simple nudity that only a few sites are wiling to mess with explicit stuff at all, and the ones that do end up being a catch-all for anything that could offend. Would love for there to be a similar site without all of the S&M, fetish, and orc sex stuff... Just the naughty bits, lingerie and underwear, sexy props and poses... But once you cross that line you might as well go all in.
moogal posted at 1:18AM Wed, 14 August 2019 - #4359305
A_Sunbeam posted at 7:04PM Tue, 13 August 2019 - #4359036
Having had a look at Renderotica today, do you really want to be associated with what they offer and produce? OK, maybe I'm a dinosaur
i think because so many people have negative reactions to simple nudity that only a few sites are wiling to mess with explicit stuff at all, and the ones that do end up being a catch-all for anything that could offend. Would love for there to be a similar site without all of the S&M, fetish, and orc sex stuff... Just the naughty bits, lingerie and underwear, sexy props and poses... But once you cross that line you might as well go all in.
Doesn't matter a damn to me, one way or the other. I'm not into Virtual Pr0n (although I did once consider making a living from producing it) but live and let live, as they say.
Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.
I think it is best to separate the adult stuff from general fare, and I don't mind going to another site to get the missing parts. It's more fun that way anyway. And as far as including them on the base figure, they get in the way. Even if you want a male bulge on a figure it is better to do that with clothing morphs than the actual geometry on the character.
That said, if you go to the other site for the bits in question, don't gasp at the uses they get put to. Takes all kinds ya know...
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Nice figure but she's lacking some vital bits [ a working vagina].... Anyone out there going to do any for her..? I'm pretty sure it would sell quite well... I never cease to be amazed that a new figure comes out minus the bits, just what is it with that...?
Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.