Penguinisto posted at 12:10PM Fri, 16 August 2019 - #4359575

quietrob posted at 6:32AM Fri, 16 August 2019 - #4359560

I just checked it out, it looks like they co-opted Aiko 3 and Rendo's copyright!

...how? A general shape is not a copyright ripoff. You'd have to compare meshes, code, or suchlike.

Actually it is, and you agreed to it in the User Agreement you agreed to when you first opened the zip file. I had to ask permission from Chris Creek just to use the Blender's Shrinkwrap tool on Dusk and Dawn. He gave it, but the specific shape is theirs.

EClark1894 posted at 12:54PM Fri, 16 August 2019 - #4359599

Penguinisto posted at 12:10PM Fri, 16 August 2019 - #4359575

quietrob posted at 6:32AM Fri, 16 August 2019 - #4359560

I just checked it out, it looks like they co-opted Aiko 3 and Rendo's copyright!

...how? A general shape is not a copyright ripoff. You'd have to compare meshes, code, or suchlike.

Actually it is, and you agreed to it in the User Agreement you agreed to when you first opened the zip file. I had to ask permission from Chris Creek just to use the Blender's Shrinkwrap tool on Dusk and Dawn. He gave it, but the specific shape is theirs.

None of the ones I see in that link seem to be shrinkwraps of Aiko - It would have to be an exact shape.

EClark1894 posted at 9:57AM Fri, 16 August 2019 - #4359599

...how? A general shape is not a copyright ripoff. You'd have to compare meshes, code, or suchlike.

Actually it is, and you agreed to it in the User Agreement you agreed to when you first opened the zip file. I had to ask permission from Chris Creek just to use the Blender's Shrinkwrap tool on Dusk and Dawn. He gave it, but the specific shape is theirs.

That's why I mentioned a general shape, and not a specific one - should have been way clearer about that. Semantics-picking, I know, but in this case it proves out - you would have to compare meshes for this, not for exact vertex matching but for a close-enough-to-be-conclusive shape (because of the shrinkwrap tool, yes, but also because of other tricks like SubD shifting, quad/tri vertex rinsing, Mesh->NURBS->Mesh rinsing (is that still possible anymore?), etc).

Afrodite-Ohki posted at 3:14PM Fri, 16 August 2019 - #4359571

AmbientShade posted at 8:47AM Fri, 16 August 2019 - #4359517

They choose not to, because for whatever reason they prefer Adobe.

The reason usually being because if you want to get a job in creation, or work freelance that you'll have to exchange editable files with a client, you'll be required to use Adobe products - because they're industry standard.

That's part of it but again, that industry standard is determined by the customer base as a whole, not by Adobe. That customer base includes studios not just individual users and freelancers. And being that 'freelance' is such a broad term its entirely possible to be a productive/successful freelancer without using Adobe software if said freelancer is so set against it. Check out the video series on youtube 'Life After Adobe' to see the numerous alternatives to Adobe software for freelance professionals. Corel and several other apps are capable of opening and editing adobe formats. Apple is much closer to being a true monopoly than Adobe could ever dream of being, yet millions still flock to them for their flogging like sheep.

quietrob posted at 4:15PM Fri, 16 August 2019 - #4359560

Penguinisto posted at 11:04PM Thu, 15 August 2019 - #4359545

meatSim posted at 3:43PM Thu, 15 August 2019 - #4359539

I think a sub only model would certainly kill the app. Of course as soon as that happened its 'free competition' would certainly become a paid subscription as well.

That would require iClone to do it as well, as well as the 10+ alternatives that a one-minute Google search coughed up... Did you know there's even one you can use in a browser?

I just checked it out, it looks like they co-opted Aiko 3 and Rendo's copyright!

You "made me look". Interesting app and figures. I'm surprised that no one has noticed the "Woman" figure is a dead ringer for Jessie that came with P6. She has a shape, especially her head, that I doubt you would see on a figure that wasn't some sort of derivative of Posers Jessie. Interesting .....

As for the Poser subscription subject, I don't believe I would be interested in a subscription without a clear road map for where Poser was going, and some very real improvements along with a must have figure. I dropped Vue Complete for this very reason, vague future and subscription only, I'm now learning how to replace Vue with Blender. However, there may be potential new users that would actually prefer the subscription model, if it was very cost effective.

However sub as an option could significantly expand its customer

base, provided they offer appealing content and features that the

competition does not.

If poser was objectively beating "the competition"in terms of program features and content they would already be expanding their user base even without an affordable monthly subscription scheme to lure new users.

Consumers are willing to pay for what they consider "value" in a program even when there are free alternatives.

I was a professional Graphic Designer for print for 19 years using the Adobe products since the mid 1990's. The corel ,Broderbund etc. products were always a time destroying showstopper whenever a client tried to use them to submit collateral for professional four color process, offset printing...a bloody nightmare!!!

Sure the Adobe's affordable sub scheme makes them even more attractive to new comers from an economic perspective

However luring new customers with a reasonably priced subscription scheme only works ,in the long term, when there is some very appealing "Meat on the table" compared to the competition, once the newcomers arrive or they wont say for very long.

I don't know who would prefer a subscription system unless it gave you access to a range of tools you would not buy outright. For a single application if the developer wants users to pay each year then why not simply do yearly updates? It mostly seems to me like a scheme to deactivate users' software and move people away from software as a product to software as a service.

I am glad to hear they are not going subscription but still hope the new version can deal with the gen 3 and Gen 8 characters. Sorry but some of the characters like Paul and Paula don't cut it.....

I think they've made it pretty clear that it's not going to be Paul and Pauline. It's going to be La Femme and L'Homme.

I fear Poser and DS have grown too far apart to make using the same figures workable. It's possible, sure, but the figures end up crippled. If you want to use Genesis, use DAZ. Why not? It's free. And I'd rather see La Femme and L'Homme make full use of Poser's new features than try to have DAZ compatibility.

I'm not wild about a subscription, either, though if it's cheap enough it might help them widen their base. I think that worked for Photoshop. When they dropped the price to $10/month I signed up.

A subscription model might also be appealing to companies or individuals who only need it for a short time - for a specific project, say. You can "rent" the software for a month or two, rather than buying it.