For a while I have been working to solve a deep frustration with the way I could use results of Marvelous Designer in Poser. With Marvelous Designer I had an ever improving machine to make garment models quickly and with big fun. I recognized the potential when MD 2 came about and over the time I must have made hundreds of garments for a plethora of figures. Yet these garments made it to my Poser work ony with difficulty. Reasons were simple. Conforming clothing, at least when I rig it, sucks for anything that is not one-size-fits-all tricot worn close on the skin. Fabric does not behave like skin, and a jacket does not rotate with the hip unless it is tied in at the waist. The cloth room, one of the reasons I purchased Poser 5 at the time, does not respect layer orders and lacks every method of influencing the drape. Manual transfer of data between Poser and MD vice-versa is a tedious process involving many dialogs and switches that had to be set right each time. Modern Poser figures have advanced rigging that either does not translate well into Collada or does not translate there at all. Object geometry turned out to be the only reliable transfer method. With Marvelous Designer 7 a form of scripting support was introduced. The API did offer methods to transfer data between MD and Poser. I set off on writing a system that would bring the essential steps of data transfer back to pressing a button. As with many features in the ground-breaking technology program that MD is, the implementation of the scripting also remained to be a moving target for quite a while. This has now (I hope) settled and with some precautions my 'bridge' is usable.

It makes no sense to let it sit on my system only and I therefore offer it for download via Freestuf here.

Feedback, discussions and questions can best come in the Marvelous Designer forum here on Rendo. (You never knew we had one, did you?)

One more thing: The bridge works also with the 30 days free trial licenses. So: You can try now for 30 days with present version 7.5 They announced MD version 8. New versions come with a public Beta. Unless they change policies, MD 8, once out, will allow you a new 30 days free trial. So the longer you wait, the less you can try it for free.

Now that is cool!!

Although I am hoping to get it one of these days, I don't have MD yet, but I have to say this is a fantastic incentive for Poser creators to get MD now!!! Wonderful.

Unless Marvelous Designer gives away free copies of the software like DAZ Studio, I have no interest or use for the program, but thanks for the freebie, FVerbaas, and I'll list it as a freebie in my Directory.

@Eclark: thank you. Earning model of MD is selling software, not selling content.

Just noting there are/were a few issues with the Bridge and MD9 due to changes in the API. Some are solved by this update. There is one annoying issue left, which is now being addressed by MD staff. Once that is completed and tested I will finalize a complete update with extended functionality.

By the way they ARE giving away free personal licenses just now. ;-)

Yeah, but it's a contest, to get a free license. Look, I just don't trust them, sorry. I keep thinking that when the contest is over, that's when Admiral Akbar shouts "It's A TRAP!" Shame too, I do think Marvelous Designer is a great creative tool. I think the things you create for Poser figures are great and fantastic. And I do have Marvelous Designer listed in my directory under "Content Creation".

EClark1894 posted at 3:28PM Fri, 25 October 2019 - #4368305

Yeah, but it's a contest, to get a free license. Look, I just don't trust them, sorry.

What would possibly make you say that?

movida posted at 5:52PM Fri, 25 October 2019 - #4368319

EClark1894 posted at 3:28PM Fri, 25 October 2019 - #4368305

Yeah, but it's a contest, to get a free license. Look, I just don't trust them, sorry.

What would possibly make you say that?

The word "Prize" they used.

I have been working with them since MD2. We had some culture clashes but trust me, they are OK.. Remember English is not their first language and it is important to keep comminications in simple words.

EClark1894 posted at 12:05PM Sat, 26 October 2019 - #4368325

movida posted at 5:52PM Fri, 25 October 2019 - #4368319

EClark1894 posted at 3:28PM Fri, 25 October 2019 - #4368305

Yeah, but it's a contest, to get a free license. Look, I just don't trust them, sorry.

What would possibly make you say that?

The word "Prize" they used.

I would not worry about that. I did a contest a couple of years ago at SM and won and got a shit ton of free models from SM and Renderosity. The contest you have to be wary of is the one from Publisher's Clearinghouse. Seriously.

davidfisher posted at 2:42PM Sat, 21 December 2019 - #4373986

... Yet these garments made it to my Poser work ony with difficulty. Reasons were simple. Conforming clothing, at least when I rig it, sucks for anything that is not one-size-fits-all tricot worn close on the skin. Fabric does not behave like skin .... and a jacket does not rotate with the hip unless it is tied in at the waist. The cloth room, one of the reasons I purchased Poser 5 at the time, does not respect layer orders and lacks every method of influencing the drape.

Exactly why I made the Bridge. Conforming really sucks and where the cloth room can do a good job it is limited to single layer garments. Rigging a garment takes too much time and effort to pay the bill and works only for elastic skin-tight stuff worn close to the body.

Real life did put a hold on the development of the bridge. Sorry for that. I hope this holiday will give me time to work on the update. In addition to support for PE, the update will include support for LaFemme/LHomme (with the MF morph packs) Pauline, Dawn and option to add more.

Wow, spam/virus bots are getting really tricky - it took me wondering what that chinese buffet link had to do with it to realize the post is just copied from OP.

They might wanna program the bots to avoid pulling up older threads like this though.

FVerbaas posted at 10:49AM Sat, 21 December 2019 - #4373994

davidfisher posted at 2:42PM Sat, 21 December 2019 - #4373986

... Yet these garments made it to my Poser work ony with difficulty. Reasons were simple. Conforming clothing, at least when I rig it, sucks for anything that is not one-size-fits-all tricot worn close on the skin. Fabric does not behave like skin .... and a jacket does not rotate with the hip unless it is tied in at the waist. The cloth room, one of the reasons I purchased Poser 5 at the time, does not respect layer orders and lacks every method of influencing the drape.

Exactly why I made the Bridge. Conforming really sucks and where the cloth room can do a good job it is limited to single layer garments. Rigging a garment takes too much time and effort to pay the bill and works only for elastic skin-tight stuff worn close to the body.

Real life did put a hold on the development of the bridge. Sorry for that. I hope this holiday will give me time to work on the update. In addition to support for PE, the update will include support for LaFemme/LHomme (with the MF morph packs) Pauline, Dawn and option to add more.

That was word-for-word copied from your own post, friend. it's a spam bot.

And I fell into that trap head first. ?? It sounded too familiar. LOL! That link should have made me suspicious. I am growing old.

Anyway up side is the topic is up again in the stack.?

I only noticed it because the post sounded way too in-topic for spam so I googled the words... and it lead me to a bunch of other places where you'd posted this same thing lmao

Hi, Fverbaas! Was checking my links in the Poser Directory and saw that Marvelous Designer was on sale for a limited time until the 31st of this month with a perpetual license. That made my ears perk up as the price isn't too far off for what I used to pay to upgrade Poser. Still, I have two issues which concern me. I wouldn't mind getting a perpetual licence ala Poser (pre-11) and I'm still wary of that individual vs. enterprise licensing they have. Really, I'd like for THEM (not you) to clear that up a bit more. If I were to buy MD, yeah, I admit I'd be buying it with an eye on selling those creations either here at Renderosity or Hivewire. Would that make me an enterprise or individual? Also, what's the deal on freebies? I think they once forbade it, but I know that you do them. What's the deal? Also, unfortunately, Can't afford to get it even if I wanted, so will watch and see if this is a one time thing, or maybe another chance will come along.

EClark1894 posted at 3:23PM Sun, 22 December 2019 - #4374125

Hi, Fverbaas! Was checking my links in the Poser Directory and saw that Marvelous Designer was on sale for a limited time until the 31st of this month with a perpetual license. That made my ears perk up as the price isn't too far off for what I used to pay to upgrade Poser. Still, I have two issues which concern me. I wouldn't mind getting a perpetual licence ala Poser (pre-11) and I'm still wary of that individual vs. enterprise licensing they have. Really, I'd like for THEM (not you) to clear that up a bit more. If I were to buy MD, yeah, I admit I'd be buying it with an eye on selling those creations either here at Renderosity or Hivewire. Would that make me an enterprise or individual? Also, what's the deal on freebies? I think they once forbade it, but I know that you do them. What's the deal? Also, unfortunately, Can't afford to get it even if I wanted, so will watch and see if this is a one time thing, or maybe another chance will come along.

The Enterprise license would be needed for a large studio using multiple users Plus the Enterprise license version is $ 4000.00 anyway like you noted..more for studios

Interesting. Not a subscription?? Also, what about earnings per year? Stonemason sells some of his sets for use in Sci-fi movies. Or I know he used to. But I wouldn't call him a large Studio, but what about making Studio bucks?

Oops deleted instead of edited: I dont think that matters if there is no set limit and you are creating the item on your PC at home and no one else from the studio is also using the single user license you purchased, then you should be good.as long as you do not pass the Annual income limit if there even is one. Always best to ask them directly before you pull the trigger just to be 100% sure.

And that's why I'd like to hear from them as to what they consider to be an enterprise versus someone who's just enterprising. To be honest, it probably wouldn't affect me anyway. I just turned 62, (well, I will in January) and went into early retirement, so I'm still working part time. I can't make but so much money anyway without talking to the IRS.

Like Clarkie, I'm interested in Marvelous Designer. But last time I looked into their perpetual licence for private users, I had to give it a miss cause I was left with the impression that while I am free to create clothes for my Poser figures and even sell commercial images that made use of the clothing in those images, sadly, I would have been unable to sell any clothing meshes I outputted from the software.

Whether I got that right, I honestly could not say, but that's the impression I was left with. I think probably, at the very most, you might be able to give away a clothing mesh you designed with it, but I feel pretty sure that selling a mesh would not be allowed without the commercial licence. That said, if there is an income limit, maybe it is allowed, but I don't recall reading about the existence of a limit.

Definitely ask them directly, Clarkie, and if you do, maybe post a heads-up in this thread so that others can see what they said. I'm definitely still curious, but not enough at the moment.

Well, they do have a forum, but I'm not a member there, so I was hoping FVerbaas would ask for me.

Sure, but I meant sending them an email, cause even if you had access to their forum, there would likely be a hundred and one different interpretations of what is and isn't allowed. The only way to get official clarification, is to write to them directly and tell them what you were hoping to do with the personal licence.

The answer they give might even surprise all of us, especially since blender devs are now gearing-up to work on cloth dynamics etc. You can bet yer life they've got a close eye on blender, cause eventually, it is likely to have something that will rival Marvelous Designer, and if/when that happens, the company that owns Marvelous Designer will have a very different attitude with regards pricing and licensing (prices could plummet dramatically and licensing become more relaxed due to healthy competition).

The same thing will happen to Substance Painter once the blender-based PBR painting tool "ArmorPaint" becomes more and more capable. Adobe sucked-up Substance Painter, so this will make subscription-free ArmorPaint even more desirable. The Marvelous Designer situation will be no different, in fact, don't be surprised if Marvelous Designer is the next product that Adobe sucks-up.

BTW, here's ArmorPaint, the free PBR painting tool just in case you've not come across it yet:

https://armorpaint.org

First of all, best direct such questions to support@marvelousdesigner.com. The below is just as I know it. Over time MD has had a number of different license policies. There was, in the days way back of MD2, indeed a restriction on commercial use. That has gone a long time ago. As far as I know the difference between a personal license and a corporate license is that the personal license is coupled to a _personal _account. Only the license holder is allowed to use it, but he can produce with it whatever he wants and do with his products as he likes. A corporate license can be used by any employee of a company and, in theory, be used 24/7. See also here There may be restrictions on distributing the demo models though.

The 'perpetual' license is a one-time payment which gives you free updates for as long as the version you have is not superseded by a later version. New versions happen to come every year, usually in October/November. LIcense updates come at very competitive rates. From the top of my head the discount when upgrading from previous version (MD8 a.t.m.) is 75% and when upgrading from next to previous and next-to-next of previous (MD6 and MD7 a.t.m.) is 60%. This means that under the current policy if you buy MD9 at 70% now (30% off), you would be good for discount on updates until MD13 is comes to replace MD12.

One thing: I put 'perpetual' between quotes because although MD does not 'phone home' you need an active internet connnnection to activate the license on your computer. You can install on as many computers as you like but you need to de-activate the license on one computer before you can use MD on another computer. Your ability to move between computers (or recover after computer deep crash) therefore depends on response from MD's license server or the kind help of their service desk. Eternity lasts for as long as these are available. However the company has existed for well over a decade now and the program has found wide acceptance so I expect the service will be around for a while.

FVerbaas posted at 6:05AM Mon, 23 December 2019 - #4374158

First of all, best direct such questions to support@marvelousdesigner.com. The below is just as I know it. Over time MD has had a number of different license policies. There was, in the days way back of MD2, indeed a restriction on commercial use. That has gone a long time ago. As far as I know the difference between a personal license and a corporate license is that the personal license is coupled to a _personal _account. Only the license holder is allowed to use it, but he can produce with it whatever he wants and do with his products as he likes. A corporate license can be used by any employee of a company and, in theory, be used 24/7. See also here There may be restrictions on distributing the demo models though.

The 'perpetual' license is a one-time payment which gives you free updates for as long as the version you have is not superseded by a later version. New versions happen to come every year, usually in October/November. LIcense updates come at very competitive rates. From the top of my head the discount when upgrading from previous version (MD8 a.t.m.) is 75% and when upgrading from next to previous and next-to-next of previous (MD6 and MD7 a.t.m.) is 60%. This means that under the current policy if you buy MD9 at 70% now (30% off), you would be good for discount on updates until MD13 is comes to replace MD12.

One thing: I put 'perpetual' between quotes because although MD does not 'phone home' you need an active internet connnnection to activate the license on your computer. You can install on as many computers as you like but you need to de-activate the license on one computer before you can use MD on another computer. Your ability to move between computers (or recover after computer deep crash) therefore depends on response from MD's license server or the kind help of their service desk. Eternity lasts for as long as these are available. However the company has existed for well over a decade now and the program has found wide acceptance so I expect the service will be around for a while.

Okay, I think I will write to them.

As for the 'Phone home' thing, when I first got into Poser, I had some software from Movie Magic ScreenWriter. It sounds a lot like MD. You needed an active internet connection to get updates or activate the software on your computer, and to deactivate at least one machine. You could have it on at least three. Unfortunately, I stopped writing scripts since then, but the software still runs. And as long as I have an internet connection or put the disc into the computer slot, I can still run it even without the connection. If, Bondware would at least consider that option. Poser 12 would be a lock for me.

They just contacted me on a direct question I asked on creating clothes in MD for other programs figures and selling the clothing I created ' this what they said to me this morning :

Hi Chuck, Thanks for your inquiry.

According to your concern, please refer to our enterprise/personal license policy below.

• Enterprise / Personal License Policy Our personal license allows personal/sole proprietor use including commercial use.

If you are working alone, you could purchase a personal license.

If you hire any employee/ part-timer, you would need to purchase an Enterprise license for your purpose. You can sell your creations with Marvelous Designer as long as you did not violate our enterprise/personal license policy. If you have any other questions, please feel free to let us know. Thank you.

Best Regards, Marvelous Designer Team.

The phone home thing I didnt ask because I already use things which need to be connected while using them so for my case it did not matter.

So, if I'm working alone, I'm okay with a personal license. If I hire an employee or work with someone, then they need to purchase their own license or I can purchase it for them? Because I am NOT spending $4000 dollars for a license unless $4000 is an average income for my business. I mean, I know that sounds a little harsh, but what if I'm working with my brother, sister, or wife and we make clothes together?

I also don't want them reaccessing the definitions of the terms "personal" and "enterprise" once I reach a certain level of income.

There is a lot of space between cottage and Nasdaq.

LMFAO - Never underestimate Clarkie and his planned rate of expansion

That's a good response from Marvelous Designer though; it did at least surprise, and at least it means that the personal licence can be used to create a sellable mesh. Shame I still can't afford a copy even on sale, but maybe next year.

EClark1894 posted at 4:27PM Mon, 23 December 2019 - #4374187

So, if I'm working alone, I'm okay with a personal license. If I hire an employee or work with someone, then they need to purchase their own license or I can purchase it for them? Because I am NOT spending $4000 dollars for a license unless $4000 is an average income for my business. I mean, I know that sounds a little harsh, but what if I'm working with my brother, sister, or wife and we make clothes together?

It looks like if you or your official business entity are paying the other person (as an employee or a contractor) to do work with Marvelous Designer, then you need the Enterprise license.

willdial posted at 8:46PM Mon, 23 December 2019 - #4374235

EClark1894 posted at 4:27PM Mon, 23 December 2019 - #4374187

So, if I'm working alone, I'm okay with a personal license. If I hire an employee or work with someone, then they need to purchase their own license or I can purchase it for them? Because I am NOT spending $4000 dollars for a license unless $4000 is an average income for my business. I mean, I know that sounds a little harsh, but what if I'm working with my brother, sister, or wife and we make clothes together?

It looks like if you or your official business entity are paying the other person (as an employee or a contractor) to do work with Marvelous Designer, then you need the Enterprise license.

Ah, well no need for further questions then. I won't be trying it out.

A reading is that if the user is employed, so he receives a salary and all benefits that come with that status the corporate option would formally be due. If the user is self employed and gets a payment for the work he does, he can use his personal license.

There is a lot of water between here and Seoul.

Makes sense then, the names they gave for the licences being Personal and Enterprise instead of Private and Commercial. They're spot-on despite the language barrier, and to be fair, despite the price, them going that route is a lot better than the Private and Commercial route most others take.

Can't understand why Clarkie is still unhappy about it, because if he expanded at a rate where he was employing someone else (making him an enterprise) before he could afford an enterprise licence, then he would probably be doing the whole expansion thing wrong anyway, especially since it seems the Personal licence allows a person to create and sell as much as they want without even having an income limit.

As long as he doesn't let anyone else use the licence, he'd be fine is the impression I get. I'd have owned a copy some years ago if I had known about this (I'm only a one-man band anyway), so it's a shame the prices have gotten so crazy since then.

FVerbaas posted at 3:49AM Tue, 24 December 2019 - #4374266

A reading is that if the user is employed, so he receives a salary and all benefits that come with that status the corporate option would formally be due. If the user is self employed and gets a payment for the work he does, he can use his personal license.

There is a lot of water between here and Seoul.

And I won't be swimming in any of it. EULAs are funny things, and they're usually wriiten in such a way as to be sure to give any advantages to the company, not the user. So if a company decides later to change it's mind about how it defines personal vs. enterprise, I'll be forced to either pony up for an enterprise license or go out of business. Heh, funny how if they change the definition the advantage will be to the company. They won't be sending you a check for $4000.

And Pumeco, I'm just not willing to sign that EULA, even though, as I said before, it probably won't ever even apply to me.

QUOTE - "So if a company decides later to change it's mind about how it defines personal vs. enterprise, I'll be forced to either pony up for an enterprise license or go out of business."

Not if it's a perpetual licence you go for, reason being, they would have to define both "Personal" and "Enterprise" within the licence agreement of the perpetual licence. They cannot charge you for a perpetual licence, then later change the licence you agreed to pay money for. If that were allowed, the licensor would be able make any additions they like, and the licensee would have to abide by it.

What you describe is one of the problems subscribers face, because a monthly renewing subscription is only valid for a month, therefore the licensor gets to change the licence agreement every month, or whenever an updated version of the software comes out, whichever is the soonest. With a perpetual licence, though, providing you hang onto the original version of the software which has the licence you agreed to attached to it, they cannot change it, because whenever you install the software, it is that original licence you agree to when you install it, not something else.

I'm no expert, so my post has no guarantee of being correct and I make no claims of it being so. But if the thing you are fearing was valid, that would surely mean that no licence is worth a damn. The whole idea of a licence is that the licensor dictates the conditions, and the licensee only agrees to those conditions and lays down the cash, if the licensee is happy with them.