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Subject: I made a Diamond Ring for Dawn...


EClark1894 ( ) posted Sun, 02 August 2020 at 8:19 PM · edited Sat, 30 November 2024 at 2:31 PM

Didn't quite come out the way I meant for it to though...

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ironsoul ( ) posted Sun, 02 August 2020 at 11:50 PM · edited Sun, 02 August 2020 at 11:55 PM

Firefly and Superfly shaders won't be able to model the high ior and prism effect of diamonds. For Superfly there are some tutorials on the Internet how to fake a diamond with a Cycles shader, I remember BB discussing diamonds in Firefly years ago but the thread doesn't exist anymore.



Kerya ( ) posted Mon, 03 August 2020 at 12:39 AM
ironsoul ( ) posted Mon, 03 August 2020 at 2:23 AM

Thanks Kerya, for some reason I was getting page not found.



Kerya ( ) posted Mon, 03 August 2020 at 2:41 AM

Well - the search here is a bit ... strange?

I used Google, searching for Bagginsbill and Diamond.


EldritchCellar ( ) posted Mon, 03 August 2020 at 4:16 AM

When searching here for old threads use the advanced search, older than 200 days, newer than 10 years, by Username always returns results. Change the older and newer to suit. If you don't enter the newer than # it will tell you no results found... I did searches for old BB threads with keywords displacement, subsurface scatter, reflect, etc without entering newer than # and returned no results. Imagine there not being any results for Bagginsbill and Scatter 😁



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EClark1894 ( ) posted Mon, 03 August 2020 at 8:13 PM

I don't know why, but I keep losing my EZ-Skin shader for Dawn.




EClark1894 ( ) posted Mon, 03 August 2020 at 8:28 PM · edited Mon, 03 August 2020 at 8:30 PM

I used Vince Bagna' shaders this time. Gold for the metal, and Diamond for the jewel. I think he got me on the jewel, but I think my gold's better looking.

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Miss B ( ) posted Mon, 03 August 2020 at 9:01 PM · edited Mon, 03 August 2020 at 9:01 PM

You might try different lighting Earl, so it shows up better.

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EldritchCellar ( ) posted Mon, 03 August 2020 at 9:07 PM

EClark1894 posted at 10:02PM Mon, 03 August 2020 - #4395852

I don't know why, but I keep losing my EZ-Skin shader for Dawn.

Can't post a link to the relevant Hivewire thread but here's parkdalegardener's EZSkin3 Defs for Dawn and Gen4, permission to share granted in mentioned thread...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FzBo27s_LYIkPf5K8BbUdabM5jYkXs7k/view?usp=drivesdk



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EldritchCellar ( ) posted Mon, 03 August 2020 at 9:13 PM

...Google search EZ SKIN 3 DEFS and go to relevant HW thread result with that title if curious. There's also Dusk SE and La Femme/L'Homme defs provided by RamWolff...



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EClark1894 ( ) posted Tue, 04 August 2020 at 4:54 AM

thanks, Eldritch.




parkdalegardener ( ) posted Tue, 04 August 2020 at 6:44 AM

Just fired up the latest Poser a couple of days ago. Mostly to be sure it is up to date. Loaded the included Dawn figure and her strapless dress. Borked Superfly textures. You would think that if you are including your flagship figure in a piece of software that you would be sure to include render engine compatible shaders. I made the Dawn defs years ago when Superfly came into being. I never expected them to still be needed after all this time. V4 I can understand. I also made defs for dozens of figures including some animals. They are scattered around the sites that produced the figures. Feel free to share any of them as required. Earl I think you are among those that asked about a Dawn def way back when. There is also one for Harry the horse and the Hivewire Big Cat and for the folks bringing in models from the dark side; there was also defs for Genesis and Genesis2 when used in Poser. I won't be re-writing them for dozens of figures. Talk and share amongst yourselves.



wolf359 ( ) posted Tue, 04 August 2020 at 8:50 AM

Dawn,Dusk & baby Luna come bundled with Reallusion Character creator3 pipeline with full body and facial animation capabilties.?

Here she is ,in Iclone 7, wearing the Syyd Raven "Vanilla sky" textures (originally made for V4)

Enhanced with the Iclone Digital human skin shader system.DAWN EDITICLONE.png



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EClark1894 ( ) posted Tue, 04 August 2020 at 9:47 AM

parkdalegardener posted at 10:44AM Tue, 04 August 2020 - #4395870

Just fired up the latest Poser a couple of days ago. Mostly to be sure it is up to date. Loaded the included Dawn figure and her strapless dress. Borked Superfly textures. You would think that if you are including your flagship figure in a piece of software that you would be sure to include render engine compatible shaders. I made the Dawn defs years ago when Superfly came into being. I never expected them to still be needed after all this time. V4 I can understand. I also made defs for dozens of figures including some animals. They are scattered around the sites that produced the figures. Feel free to share any of them as required. Earl I think you are among those that asked about a Dawn def way back when. There is also one for Harry the horse and the Hivewire Big Cat and for the folks bringing in models from the dark side; there was also defs for Genesis and Genesis2 when used in Poser. I won't be re-writing them for dozens of figures. Talk and share amongst yourselves.

I have had a Dawn definition before, but for some reason it keeps getting lost in the ether. BTW, to my knowledge DAWN is not the Poser flagship character. LA Femme is. As far as I have noticed, so far, La Femme seems to render fine.




CHK2033 ( ) posted Tue, 04 August 2020 at 11:13 AM · edited Tue, 04 August 2020 at 11:14 AM

Yeah...damn it..lol, Anyway your right, I wouldn't stress too much on the diamond thing from far away unless the person (figure) is moving your not really going to see it like a real diamond anyway (the twinkling ?)

I modeled and used the same diamond in the close up as the one in her ear. but from far away they look nothing like each other. mainly cause the light setup wasn't created or focused for the diamond but for the figure.

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parkdalegardener ( ) posted Tue, 04 August 2020 at 4:17 PM

EClark1894 posted at 4:09PM Tue, 04 August 2020 - #4395879

parkdalegardener posted at 10:44AM Tue, 04 August 2020 - #4395870

Just fired up the latest Poser a couple of days ago. Mostly to be sure it is up to date. Loaded the included Dawn figure and her strapless dress. Borked Superfly textures. You would think that if you are including your flagship figure in a piece of software that you would be sure to include render engine compatible shaders. I made the Dawn defs years ago when Superfly came into being. I never expected them to still be needed after all this time. V4 I can understand. I also made defs for dozens of figures including some animals. They are scattered around the sites that produced the figures. Feel free to share any of them as required. Earl I think you are among those that asked about a Dawn def way back when. There is also one for Harry the horse and the Hivewire Big Cat and for the folks bringing in models from the dark side; there was also defs for Genesis and Genesis2 when used in Poser. I won't be re-writing them for dozens of figures. Talk and share amongst yourselves.

I have had a Dawn definition before, but for some reason it keeps getting lost in the ether. BTW, to my knowledge DAWN is not the Poser flagship character. LA Femme is. As far as I have noticed, so far, La Femme seems to render fine.

I mean Hivewire3D getting her into the Poser bonus content. Dawn is Hivewire's flagship till the in testing Dawn2 happens. That is why she is black in your Poser render. The shader is neither cycles nor superfly compatible as supplied for use as bonus content. That is why I had to write the definitions in the first place and why they were released on the Hivewire forums way back when.



ironsoul ( ) posted Tue, 04 August 2020 at 4:37 PM

Title refers to making a diamond ring and render shows diamond ring but topic about Ezskin not the diamond ring - I need a beer



EldritchCellar ( ) posted Tue, 04 August 2020 at 6:45 PM

ironsoul posted at 7:32PM Tue, 04 August 2020 - #4395913

Title refers to making a diamond ring and render shows diamond ring but topic about Ezskin not the diamond ring - I need a beer

Ponder this whilst imbibing...

I made a Diamond Ring for Dawn...

The ellipsis is a series of dots that indicates an intentional omission of a word, sentence, or whole section from a text without altering its original meaning. So is the topic the ring, Dawn, or everything that's implied by the ellipsis? Everything implied by the ellipsis can infer that the following statements by OP (for instance, the need for fancy skin) are also the topic but for brevity's sake and forum allowances are left as inferences.

Better have 2



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bagginsbill ( ) posted Tue, 04 August 2020 at 8:28 PM

ironsoul posted at 9:20PM Tue, 04 August 2020 - #4395793

Firefly and Superfly shaders won't be able to model the high ior and prism effect of diamonds. For Superfly there are some tutorials on the Internet how to fake a diamond with a Cycles shader, I remember BB discussing diamonds in Firefly years ago but the thread doesn't exist anymore.

Actually SuperFly is pretty good at it.

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Remember to tell google the words: bagginsbill diamond superfly And you will find it.

The linked thread has more explanations, pictures, and a shader to download. https://forum.smithmicro.com/topic/255/light-splitting/32

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bagginsbill ( ) posted Tue, 04 August 2020 at 8:35 PM · edited Tue, 04 August 2020 at 8:35 PM

SuperFly is VERY good at gold.

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Can you find the shader? I did publish it in a forum. Besides the root node it is two nodes.


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bwldrd ( ) posted Tue, 04 August 2020 at 9:03 PM · edited Tue, 04 August 2020 at 9:08 PM

@Bagginsbill, Yep I can find it. Lol. Google (image) search does wonders sometimes, though 99% time I'm inundated with results that have nothing to do with what I'm actually searching for. And oh, for people wondering ... it is in this thread. Subject: Superfly comparisons: Roots

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EldritchCellar ( ) posted Tue, 04 August 2020 at 9:16 PM

Thanks for links.



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ironsoul ( ) posted Wed, 05 August 2020 at 6:46 AM · edited Wed, 05 August 2020 at 6:47 AM

EldritchCellar posted at 12:32PM Wed, 05 August 2020 - #4395916

ironsoul posted at 7:32PM Tue, 04 August 2020 - #4395913

Title refers to making a diamond ring and render shows diamond ring but topic about Ezskin not the diamond ring - I need a beer

Ponder this whilst imbibing...

I made a Diamond Ring for Dawn...

The ellipsis is a series of dots that indicates an intentional omission of a word, sentence, or whole section from a text without altering its original meaning. So is the topic the ring, Dawn, or everything that's implied by the ellipsis? Everything implied by the ellipsis can infer that the following statements by OP (for instance, the need for fancy skin) are also the topic but for brevity's sake and forum allowances are left as inferences.

Better have 2

Yes ellipsis is a sign of more information to come, the continued text just states something did not turn out expected, there is nothing in the text or graphic indicating what is wrong other by implication its something to do with Dawn or the ring. It wasn't until he mentioned ez-skin that the missing piece of information was provided.



EClark1894 ( ) posted Thu, 06 August 2020 at 3:27 PM · edited Thu, 06 August 2020 at 3:30 PM

ironsoul posted at 4:23PM Thu, 06 August 2020 - #4395913

Title refers to making a diamond ring and render shows diamond ring but topic about Ezskin not the diamond ring - I need a beer

Actually, my initial post WAS about the Diamond ring. I later added that I had lost the Ezskin shader. It was NOT the main topic of this thread. Nor, for that matter, has it been. I even redid the ring's shader's using some from Vince Bagna. Didn't even try to touch Dawn.

BTW, thanks for the help, BB. I need to port the ring and a watch/bracelet I did to Poser, then I'll be releasing these props into the wild. Hopefully they come out looking as good as yours.




EldritchCellar ( ) posted Thu, 06 August 2020 at 4:32 PM

Your download on ShareCG is busted.



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EClark1894 ( ) posted Thu, 06 August 2020 at 6:42 PM

EldritchCellar posted at 7:40PM Thu, 06 August 2020 - #4396158

Your download on ShareCG is busted.

I tried to download the ring as a Wavefront obj. ShareCG wouldn't take it. so I thought I canceled the upload. Found out today that the Picture of the ring went through anyway.




EldritchCellar ( ) posted Thu, 06 August 2020 at 7:25 PM

That's weird. I guess because it was a poser upload it glitched, expecting a Poser file format maybe? I know ShareCG takes straight OBJ models. Anyway, just throw together a quick pp2 and delete the last upload from your account so you don't get innundated with a bunch of comments... gives you time to make changes if you wanted at least. Just leave the obj embedded in the pp2 if that's an issue.



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EldritchCellar ( ) posted Thu, 06 August 2020 at 7:31 PM

Or if you like send me a copy and I'll turn it into a pp2, extract the obj, place the file reference to geometries in the pp2, place in a proper Runtime structure and zip it up for you, and give it back to you to upload. Would only take about 15 minutes of my time. PM me if you need help.



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EClark1894 ( ) posted Thu, 06 August 2020 at 7:58 PM

EldritchCellar posted at 8:55PM Thu, 06 August 2020 - #4396188

Or if you like send me a copy and I'll turn it into a pp2, extract the obj, place the file reference to geometries in the pp2, place in a proper Runtime structure and zip it up for you, and give it back to you to upload. Would only take about 15 minutes of my time. PM me if you need help.

That's okay. When I was first uploading it, I hadn't ported it into Poser yet anyway, which was why I was uploading it as an object file. I also hadn't scaled it down to fit Dawn. So this time, I've scaled both the ring and the Watch down to fit Dawn. It SHOULD also fit La Femme, but I haven't tried yet. I'm also going to smart prop it to Dawn's hand. Then I'll upload again to ShareCG.




EClark1894 ( ) posted Fri, 07 August 2020 at 2:07 AM

Okay, got both the ring and the watch into Poser today, so far. I'll shade them later, then convert them to PP2s.

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EClark1894 ( ) posted Fri, 07 August 2020 at 1:05 PM · edited Fri, 07 August 2020 at 1:06 PM

Well, there I was, making headway, but then I rendered it out and I need to returned for some small touch-ups in Blender. The watch case is much, much to thin to house anything like electronics or gears. I need to make it thicker. But hey, at least I found my EZ skin file. 😀

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Miss B ( ) posted Fri, 07 August 2020 at 5:43 PM

Yes, the watch is looking more like a fancy bracelet in that render, but I'm sure once you add the thickness, then it'll look more like a watch.

The ring is looking good too. 🙂

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EClark1894 ( ) posted Tue, 11 August 2020 at 5:44 PM · edited Tue, 11 August 2020 at 5:45 PM

Added a little thickness to the watch for Dawn. Praise is sought and appreciated. :)

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bwldrd ( ) posted Tue, 11 August 2020 at 7:45 PM

Looks good, are the numerals geometry or displacements?

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EClark1894 ( ) posted Tue, 11 August 2020 at 8:14 PM

bwldrd posted at 9:14PM Tue, 11 August 2020 - #4396661

Looks good, are the numerals geometry or displacements?

Geometry.




EClark1894 ( ) posted Thu, 13 August 2020 at 8:29 AM

It was brought t o my attention that some numerals were backwards and others were just plain wrong. Working on it.

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Sorry, but 4 is IV rather than IIII.


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EClark1894 ( ) posted Thu, 13 August 2020 at 12:01 PM · edited Thu, 13 August 2020 at 12:02 PM

RedPhantom posted at 12:59PM Thu, 13 August 2020 - #4396802

Sorry, but 4 is IV rather than IIII.

Yeah, it's a whole traditional watch thing.
Why IIII ?




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