Looking good but what was the collision settings against the  panties? Setting them a little higher could also do the trick.

Good to see the front pocket holds well too. Bifurcations and layers can be a risk area.

Looking good but what was the collision settings against the  panties? Setting them a little higher could also do the trick.

So, I added some detailing to the front pocket and made the hood a tad larger so that it covers the head better. Unfortunately, I messed up the OBJ export a tiny bit, which makes the rolled-up sleeve morph looks terrible with this version. I'll do it again in a minute, and then hopefully I can start trying out more poses. I'm increasingly happy with how this looks, so yay!

I'm of a mind to try making her some kind of kinky leather harness next, which will be an opportunity for learning how to include rigid imported meshes into MD and Poser simulations. Also, possibly a bit more in the tradition of female Poser fashion, LOL!

Antonia's always been my favorite character model after V4. Here she is in "traditional  female Poser fashion."

Antonia's always been my favorite character model after V4. Here she is in "traditional  female Poser fashion."

Are you saying we need more naked Antonias in temples with swords?

Are you saying we need more naked Antonias in temples with swords?

Hey Odf, I saw your renders of Antonia with a male figure....is he an offshoot/clone of Antonia or a new, made-from-scratch figure? Render me intrigued.....

Hey Odf, I saw your renders of Antonia with a male figure....is he an offshoot/clone of Antonia or a new, made-from-scratch figure? Render me intrigued.....

Yes, that's Apollo. I just plugged the color and bump into a PhysicalSurface node and set the relevant values to whatever I had used in Antonia 1.3. The final shader looks like in the image below. The cascade of Spots and Blender nodes at the top was just copied over from Apollo's original material. I didn't use the displacement maps because they were too noisy and had too much striation on the pectorals, as if the poor guy was constantly flexing his chest. It might be nice to edit out the bad parts and use the displacement map for the nice veins, but I'm assuming the license would then not allow one to redistribute such a modified map.

I don't know, odf, the Math-Functions node connected to the ScatterRadius of your RGB is technically not doing anything to enhance your SSS.  And, personally, those values shouldn't be driven above one as in the case of your ScatterRadiusR value set to 1.4.  I do believe that the range is from 0 to 1.

I don't know, odf, the Math-Functions node connected to the ScatterRadius of your RGB is technically not doing anything to enhance your SSS.  And, personally, those values shouldn't be driven above one as in the case of your ScatterRadiusR value set to 1.4.  I do believe that the range is from 0 to 1.

You're correct, the math node is just there as a multiplier so that I can finetune all the radii at once. It's entirely possible that the value above 1 doesn't do anything. But also keep in mind that the PhysicalSurface node uses different units for SSS than the Cycle P-BSDF node, at least as far as I can tell. My guess is millimeters, but one never knows with Poser.

While we're at it, the HSV node doesn't do anything as shown. Same story with that one, if one wanted to finetune the skin color...

Hmm, there's a scatter scale now, so maybe they've adjusted the SSS settings in the PhysicalSurface node to the P-BSDF settings for Poser13? I'll leave it to the node whisperers to work out the details.

ETA: Anyway, the question was about the material settings I had used for a particular series of renders, not the *best* or *correct* settings. ;-) I've never claimed to know what the heck I am doing in the material room.

Yeah, the added Scatter Scale is for fine-tuning SSS according to the model.  I would say anything between 0.01 to 0.02 with the existing ScatterRadius should be fine.  However, If you use smaller radius values then you would need to increase the Scatter Scale value to compensate, otherwise, you will not see any SSS effects.  By the same token, the larger and denser mesh the model is, the higher the Scatter Scale should be to compensate.

Just popping my head in here briefly to say that I'm currently taking a break from making and sharing Antonia content and instead enjoy just rendering images. I'm sure that won't last forever, but in the meantime, I have two items that are almost ready for publication and if anyone's particularly keen on them, I might finish them up or just "unofficially" share what I currently have.

One is the dynamic hoodie that can be admired further up on this page or in my gallery.

The other is the little morph transfer kit I put together some time ago to simplify the conversion of morphs from Antonia 1.2 to Antonia 1.3 a little bit. Poser's morph copying tools have gotten even better with P13, so now might be the time. :-)

The morph conversion kit is an interesting item.  That should be very practical for bringing over additional existing morphs from the older version.

The morph conversion kit is an interesting item.  That should be very practical for bringing over additional existing morphs from the older version.

hborre posted at 8:43 AM Sat, 8 July 2023 - #4469542

The morph conversion kit is an interesting item.  That should be very practical for bringing over additional existing morphs from the older version.

Hmm, maybe I'll have another look at it then. 

So, I just transferred and tested the extensive morph set by DieTrying, and that worked perfectly, including mouth, brow, breast and genital morphs, with the little caveat (which I already mention in the readme) that the eye actors can be influenced in weird ways so that morphs that change the eye shape or size may need some manual corrections.

Given that, I might just add some thumbnails and such and submit to FreeStuff as is. There's always the option of making a version 2 later, should the necessity arise.

Would love to be able to transfer in the Die Trying morphs; every method I've tried so far has crashed and burned.

I should point out that the transfer kit doesn't add any new functionality. It's just instructions on how to use Poser's built-in morph copy functions and two stripped down figures, one with a tiny change in its geometry.

Felt cute, might freestuff later. :-)

Oh, and the morph transfer kit is in FreeStuff now.

The Morph Transfer kit works well.  I like the idea of using stripped-down models for the transfer, it makes it easier to isolate and select the morphs.

The Morph Transfer kit works well.  I like the idea of using stripped-down models for the transfer, it makes it easier to isolate and select the morphs.

Don't mind me while I make my first, very feeble attempts at makeup layers. Her left eye shows my first attempt at kohl, her right is where I'm at now. I may need to watch some tutorials on YouTube, though, because I've never worn makeup and have no idea what I'm doing.

Drawing layer masks in Blender is a lot of fun. Here we have kohl, eye shadow, lipstick and freckles, each on a layer of their own.

really like the freckles.  eye makeup looks realistic.  lips are a bit too sharp at the edges, maybe need a mask?

Thanks jancory! I'll play with the lip mask a bit to make the transition softer.

How is this for the lipstick?

better!  i think though what bugs me most is the thin light line just outside the lips, which may be a side effect of a separate lips zone, since v4 has the same problem. (see this thread)

i have doodled around with lip masks and haven't been able to get rid of that with Antonia either.  maybe i need to look at the face texture instead.

-jan-

Much better indeed.

I think lips as a separate material zone is a bit outdated. Lips are best just part of the face, with suitable masks or layers for the extra color, gloss, and all that. 

Much better indeed.

Thanks!

I think lips as a separate material zone is a bit outdated. Lips are best just part of the face, with suitable masks or layers for the extra color, gloss, and all that. 

By the way, here is a closeup of Antonia's lips for anyone who'd like to go hunt for any issues at UV or material zone boundaries. My personal take is that it's just the shape of the lips and how they catch the light. If you search the web for closeups of human lips, preferably without makeup, you will see two things: number one, the edges of the lips can be quite sharp. That's something Antonia has been criticized for in the past, but I think she's well within the range of what those ridges look like in actual people. Number two, unless it's covered by lipstick, those ridges tend to create a slightly brighter outline around the lips. It might not be as obvious because there's much more detail in the face of an actual human, but it's there. Then again, realism isn't an argument. If those outlines bother you, they bother you. I just don't think there's an easy way to get rid of them except maybe by applying lipstick on top of the ridges, which indeed would be much easier hadn't the lips be made a separate material zone.

that sure looks good

that sure looks good

Sometimes I think the single best thing about Antonia are the fantastic texture maps that SaintFox and Digital-Lion made for her.

My first attempt at blush. 

She's becoming more and more gorgeous 

She's becoming more and more gorgeous 

Some progress (I think) on the blush, and also Antonia's first Poser 13.1 render. The SSS settings have changed in confusing ways, and I'm not sure if what I'm using here makes sense, but on the plus side, I fought with really annoying layer artefacts the past two days that the new Poser version has now fixed. Yippie!

@odf what build of P13 are you on?

@odf also, what skin shader setup are you using?

I agree with everyone about how she's looking but that lighter line around the lips looks a bit odd.  What does your lip mask look like?  Could that be the culprit?  

Okay, here's a new render with some tweaks that - I think - address both the SSS and lip issues.

@ghostship2:

My Poser build is 13.1.449, the first publicly available P13 build. Because, you know, I'm just an ordinary person, not someone fancy. :-) In P12 and P13.0, I'd been using the "Walk" mode for SSS on a PhysicalSurface node, which got results I was happy with. Now after switching to P13.1, I suddenly saw weird bluish shadows with that. I tried Burley instead and also dialed down the SSS amount, which made for a better-looking image, but had the typical Burley glow. Now the below is "Walk Fixed", also with a reduced overall amount, and I'm quite happy with that now.

@RAMWorks:  I don't think it's the mask, but since the lips are a separate UV island from the head (thanks MikeJ ), it's possible that there's a slight mismatch between the "head" and "lips" skin in the texture map. In the image below, I've darkened the lip skin a bit, which I think does a decent job of reducing the light outline. As I said earlier, there's also probably some extra light caught by the edge of the lip that makes it brighter, so personally I'd be happy to leave in a slight outline like here, but that's a matter of taste.

The lips looks better for sure!  

That lip is nice and softly transitioned now, I think you got it; the freckles look food (a bit overlarge for what I have and know regarding face freckles, may be wrong) it's the hair that breaks the immersion with those highlights...

Rhia474 posted at 11:26 AM Sat, 19 August 2023 - #4472960

That lip is nice and softly transitioned now, I think you got it; the freckles look food (a bit overlarge for what I have and know regarding face freckles, may be wrong) it's the hair that breaks the immersion with those highlights...