I just spent the past month+ putting together my two masterpieces for the Holiday contest. I live in a car, so I can only use my computer for 1.5 hour a day (non-rendering) or 20 minutes a day (rendering) before the power is drained. I then either take my Ryobi battery packs to work to charge them (5 days a week only), or I have to find an outdoor plug or coffee shop (spending $$$) somewhere and spend 2+ hours for each of the two battery packs so I can get another 1.5hours/20 minutes on my computer. Otherwise I spend my entire time watching my windshield freeze, and my ankles swelling.

Which is what I did for nearly 36 hours over the Christmas holiday. Sit in my car and do absolutely nothing. No place was open to charge my batteries, and work was closed, It was raining, cold and miserable, and I just sat in my car and stared from midnight to midnight on Christmas day, except for when I would break down and cry and wish I was just finally dead. That is how I spent my 32nd Christmas in a row without a family. The only person who visited me on Christmas was a police officer, who told me I can't be there and had to go somewhere else. Yet he also could not tell me where I could legally go. He never said Merry Christmas.

I had spent $150 on two power inverters to run my laptop computer from my car battery. One disintegrated 3 hours after I began using it, and the other one destroyed my car battery, forcing me to buy another car battery. So that was $300 to get back to where I started.

This is how I put together those contest entries. When it came time to render I rendered for 20 minutes, then canceled the render and closed my laptop so it went to sleep. Hours later after charging my battery paks I could render again and I hit Resume for another 20 minutes. Some renders take a dozen or more hours to complete this way.

And some renders get lost midway when Windows decides to shut down my computer and update.

So the effort involved in creating these contest entries was comparable to the Manhattan Project. And then, to upload them, I had to stand outside in a Minnesota winter holding my laptop in one hand while trying to work that little trackpad with my other frozen hand.

And for all of that effort, both entries were rejected, because they contained "copyrighted material". Only my third entry (a closeup from one of the two,which is awkwardly out of context) was accepted.

The copyrighted material were cigarette packs, like the ones sold at Renderosity ("Marlbaro", "Cowboy Killer", etc). I had put a big bow in front of the names on the cig cartons, so their full names were not visible. Yet they were rejected. For the second one I then removed all cig packs altogether (leaving stupid looking hand poses on every character), and that left me 4 minutes to render my very fuzzy final entry after weeks of work. That was rejected because it displayed a soda can without modification, exactly as I had purchased that content from... Renderosity.

So for all the work I put into those under third world conditions that none of you will ever comprehend, nobody will ever even see them.

Which begs a fair question, I think. If you are not allowed to use Daz Studio to represent the reality of the world we actually live in, then what is anyone using this software for? Most photographs I take have branded products or recognizable shapes and figures somewhere in them. Yet the photo shop prints them for me. They have recognizable real world people in them. Everything I see on TV and the news shows the reality of the world we live in - cereal boxes, blue jeans with logos, automobiles - nearly everything in our environment is a "copyrighted" or trademarked thing. Yet the only place I'm not allowed to represent that reality of the world I live in is with my Daz creations.

Has anyone out there ever actually used Daz and the hundreds or thousands of dollars of content you've purchased to produce... well, ANYTHING that you can actually use for any purpose in the real world? The money I spent on all this was supposed to be one of my tickets out of homelessness. It was to compensate for my utter lack of drawing ability, where I need that to dress up creative projects I'm good at and can sell.. But if I can't even display my renders at the very place where I bought the content, then what in the world do I actually DO with any of this stuff?

I would post this to the Prime forum. But Renderosity doubled the price of Prime, and I can no longer afford it. I had to buy a new car battery instead.

Sorry about your current situation. 

I do not know what to say about your current situation other than I pray that your situation gets better. Daz Studio is therapy for me. A hobby. I use it to make media for family and friends. I use it to make Posters for various occasions.  Are there shelters in your area, churches, support groups, etc? One place you can use your laptop is libraries. You can cut down your render time by rendering in layers. Once all the layers are done rendering, put it together in your graphics program. I took a look at the cigarette packs and I wonder if you can still use them just change the design of the packs as well as the fonts used. The information you shared about the copyrighted material is very helpful. Now we know that the cigarette packs are considered copyright material.  Are you a veteran by any chance, perhaps you can reach out to a veterans group. Another thing that comes to mind is there are elderly people that want to stay in there homes but they need someone to stay there with them, mostly at night. Perhaps there is an organization that offers that. You could reach out to them, that would be one way to get out of your homeless situation.  I did a search for shelters in your area - https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=minnesota+homeless+shelters.  There are places that can help you with your homeless situation.

You are going through a very difficult time right now, just struggling to survive. It takes a lot of guts to share something so personal.  And it is very disheartening to hear that the renders that took so long,  and were so much effort for you were not allowed in the contest. That trademark usage is always complicated especially when it come to artwork, and when it is commercial artwork (as all contest entries would be classified)  its even more strict usage rules. So the only option is to recognize and avoid those usage issues. Photograph snapshots are different,  because they would be personal use which is more flexible. It is unfortunate that is the way it is,  but if the  legal rules that exist in America, and  Renderosity has to adhere to them.

So you asked,  who is making money with DazStudio?  That is a good question.  Most users are just hobbiest,  doing it for fun and leisure past time. So there is no expectation of a return on investment.  If STEAM is any indication,  there is a collection of Daz users that make Visual Novels of the adult variety,  and some of them may make money, depending on how large an audience they manage to generate with the stories they provide.  Some user have used DazStudio for comicbook and graphic novel creation,  and again the amount of return on investment  is dependent on their ability to tell a good story and develop a following and audience. The challenge is these story driven options need literally hundreds of renders to create the content. Other setup tutorials sites and generate traffic and affiliate links.

Other Daz User become vendors  and sell their content creations to other users.  Everything from characters to clothing,  to environments,  to poses.  I had a look at your gallery.  You have a horse driving a car.  That is a fricken awesome example of posing ability.  I would suggest you try to make a pose set  for either G8F or G8M or G9MF and submit it to Renderosity for consideration. If you make some money you can do it again and again.    But it is important to realize, that the marketplaces at both Daz3D and here are not what they once were.  AI gen has really shook the market demand for 3D content. 

https://www.renderosity.com/brokering-with-renderosity

IAmNobodySpecial posted at 12:28 PM Tue, 2 January 2024 - #2985365

I just spent the past month+ putting together my two masterpieces for the Holiday contest. I live in a car, so I can only use my computer for 1.5 hour a day (non-rendering) or 20 minutes a day (rendering) before the power is drained. I then either take my Ryobi battery packs to work to charge them (5 days a week only), or I have to find an outdoor plug or coffee shop (spending $$$) somewhere and spend 2+ hours for each of the two battery packs so I can get another 1.5hours/20 minutes on my computer. Otherwise I spend my entire time watching my windshield freeze, and my ankles swelling.

Which is what I did for nearly 36 hours over the Christmas holiday. Sit in my car and do absolutely nothing. No place was open to charge my batteries, and work was closed, It was raining, cold and miserable, and I just sat in my car and stared from midnight to midnight on Christmas day, except for when I would break down and cry and wish I was just finally dead. That is how I spent my 32nd Christmas in a row without a family. The only person who visited me on Christmas was a police officer, who told me I can't be there and had to go somewhere else. Yet he also could not tell me where I could legally go. He never said Merry Christmas.

I had spent $150 on two power inverters to run my laptop computer from my car battery. One disintegrated 3 hours after I began using it, and the other one destroyed my car battery, forcing me to buy another car battery. So that was $300 to get back to where I started.

This is how I put together those contest entries. When it came time to render I rendered for 20 minutes, then canceled the render and closed my laptop so it went to sleep. Hours later after charging my battery paks I could render again and I hit Resume for another 20 minutes. Some renders take a dozen or more hours to complete this way.

And some renders get lost midway when Windows decides to shut down my computer and update.

So the effort involved in creating these contest entries was comparable to the Manhattan Project. And then, to upload them, I had to stand outside in a Minnesota winter holding my laptop in one hand while trying to work that little trackpad with my other frozen hand.

And for all of that effort, both entries were rejected, because they contained "copyrighted material". Only my third entry (a closeup from one of the two,which is awkwardly out of context) was accepted.

The copyrighted material were cigarette packs, like the ones sold at Renderosity ("Marlbaro", "Cowboy Killer", etc). I had put a big bow in front of the names on the cig cartons, so their full names were not visible. Yet they were rejected. For the second one I then removed all cig packs altogether (leaving stupid looking hand poses on every character), and that left me 4 minutes to render my very fuzzy final entry after weeks of work. That was rejected because it displayed a soda can without modification, exactly as I had purchased that content from... Renderosity.

So for all the work I put into those under third world conditions that none of you will ever comprehend, nobody will ever even see them.

Which begs a fair question, I think. If you are not allowed to use Daz Studio to represent the reality of the world we actually live in, then what is anyone using this software for? Most photographs I take have branded products or recognizable shapes and figures somewhere in them. Yet the photo shop prints them for me. They have recognizable real world people in them. Everything I see on TV and the news shows the reality of the world we live in - cereal boxes, blue jeans with logos, automobiles - nearly everything in our environment is a "copyrighted" or trademarked thing. Yet the only place I'm not allowed to represent that reality of the world I live in is with my Daz creations.

Has anyone out there ever actually used Daz and the hundreds or thousands of dollars of content you've purchased to produce... well, ANYTHING that you can actually use for any purpose in the real world? The money I spent on all this was supposed to be one of my tickets out of homelessness. It was to compensate for my utter lack of drawing ability, where I need that to dress up creative projects I'm good at and can sell.. But if I can't even display my renders at the very place where I bought the content, then what in the world do I actually DO with any of this stuff?

I would post this to the Prime forum. But Renderosity doubled the price of Prime, and I can no longer afford it. I had to buy a new car battery instead.

With that said, Yes, it gets used for things..allot of things. I use it for my work almost exclusively.
(yes I do it for pay) NO. I no longer post my work in Rendo. I post in three places exclusively. About to open a patreon.
Copyright...has to be protected. We all want our work respected, therefore, we must respect others copyright as well.

Names(brandnames) are protected, and you can use something similar, but not exact


Im surprised people do not understand how much of a useful tool it is. Particular for free. (I dont like its dynamic cloth, but hey, cant have it all)
Its a tool though. Only a tool.

DAZ Studio is my hobby. Nothing more.
I don't expect any real world benefits from it. If there wold be real world benefits, the better, but nothing to be expected. That would be like forming a band and counting on having success in the charts.
No person in my real life environment gives a sh*t of what I'm doing on my computer. Being on my Computer is all they see. The best responds to my images are <shrug: "nice">.
For a 3d hobby you have to be committed to your hobby only. 
No connection to other people or financial results can be expected - in fact it is quite expensive.

Yes, and I post at Deviantart under goofygrape use it for almost other than model railroading, Microsoft train simulator also.

Pro Trump go MEGA 2024

Yes, and I post at Deviantart under goofygrape use it for almost other than model railroading, Microsoft train simulator also.

Pro Trump go MEGA 2024

sorry for the politics, but your comments are very hurtful to most people, so maybe you should change your handle as it is very political .

I will never use political comments here again as I don't want to be shut down!

John 

sorry for the politics, but your comments are very hurtful to most people, so maybe you should change your handle as it is very political .

I will never use political comments here again as I don't want to be shut down!

John