Thanks Jack. Meant to put in the header that that was in response to kbade's well spoken question, but it got eaten by a posting glitch. ;] And we REALLY need a spell checker in the forum software. ;]

And we REALLY need a spell checker in the forum software. ;] Oh, I don't know... my banal came out anal in a message not long ago, and I liked that word better after I got to thinkin about it... LOL

Ironbear: I add my "well said" to the list...and I did not find it rambling.

Thanks. It was however mispelled. ;]

You wanna spellchecker IB? You can get a great word processor worth $159 for free over at www.warez4u.con ;-)

ROFL

rofl But, but, but... will it have an upgrade path? ;] Thanks PJ. On my way.

Not to beat a dead (hopefully dead) horse here, but people seem to be missing the point here.

Poser 4 has been out on the market for what? 2 years? Longer maybe? (I honestly can't recall)

I can't believe that all of you are using a promotion as an excuse to bitch and gripe about this.
Time goes on, prices drop. Companies hold special promotions to generate more sales. They didn't HAVE to use the amnesty thing to reel people in, they could have just simply dropped the price to $129... would all of you be bitching about it so much?
Who knows... I'm sure some of you would have, though not as much.
The issue here is that it appears most of you feel snuffed by this, but believe me, the mention of amnesty is likely intended as just a promotional gimmick. Everyone needs a gimmick to sell a product, don't they?
How many of you sell products either at DAZ, here in the Marketplace, or at 3DCommune? You use gimmicks to sell products, don't you?
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT CL IS DOING!!!

Admittedly, it seems their plan backfired just a bit, however, if you can manage to rope in a few people who were using illegal copies, and get them to pay some cash, as well as offer the discounted price and hopefully sell a lot more copies, then what's the problem?

Decreased prices lke this usually mean that the next version is on it's way or already released. Matter of fact, ProPack really is the next viable upgrade to Poser 4.... those of us who are using it's advanced features know full well how much of an upgrade it is, and how easy it makes things.

So, when you think about it, Poser 4 is ALREADY the obselete version. I see no problem whatsoever with them offering an older product for less than half it's original price... it's just how things work. Hell, look at Hardware prices.

Ron 'DraX' DeFreitas

Plenty of people made a similar point to yours, DraX, if not in this thread then in the related ones. Yes it was a simple promotional sale, but the 'gimmick' of the amnesty tag has clearly had a downside with many in the established legal user base. Most folk who complained subsequently said they didn't mind the idea of a sale, it was specifically the amnesty concept they objected to.

Plenty of people posted an identical reply in similar threads- in fact, it was you, Ron! Who are you really, and why the canned reply?

FYI All The (whisper the word) "amnesty" has in fact expired. It was only offered thru 12-15-2001, & at the CL site, Poser 4 is on Sale (much more Politically Correct word) price is $219.00. My personal hope is that this means that the release of Poser 5 is at hand!

Excuse me, Micheleh, this is no "canned reply"... who am I really? Ron.. DraX... same damned thing, I've been a member of this community for quite some time and had offered many of my creations for free to the community until recently. Damn... you post a message in support of what CL is doing and get the third degree.

Ron I wouldn't take it personaly. I made a pro-CL post fairly early on in this thread, & despite trying very hard to use emotionally neutral terminology, emotions were so high that a couple of random phrases I used drew negative feedback. I found the strong emotional reaction of so many to be a bit bewildering, at first, but a lot of the later posts were well-spoken. Personally, I don't think any real Warez-er reacted with anything but amusement to the idea of paying for what they already had. But I really hope that a lot of people who got P3 from cover CDs, or found it on a newly-bought used computer (without disks or manuals) or as a " you gotta check out this cool program....Here I'll put it on your computer for you..." gift from a well-meaning friend, were able to benefit from CL's gesture. PS - Great work on Musclebound Mike! - looking forward to seeing your updates. Once he has a good selection of clothes, I'll be using him more :-))