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Subject: Okay, first couple of questions.... :-)


dreamsosweet ( ) posted Thu, 27 December 2001 at 11:31 AM · edited Sun, 24 November 2024 at 3:02 AM

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I took this pic of some of our kitties last night (with 20 to choose from, I am not apt to run out of subjects soon, LOL), in macro mode with the default standard light setting, with an incandescent table lamp on just behind and above them, and as you can see, some of the eyes turned out strange. How can I avoid this? *Can* I avoid this? Turn out the lamp? Try a different light mode? (my options are "red-eye reduction", "fill-in", "night scene" and the default "auto flash") A different white balance - whatever the heck that is? (options being "default", "clear sky", "cloudy sky", "incandescent lighting" and "fluorescent lighting"). What leaps immediately to mind is maybe a combination of "red eye reduction" and "incandescent lighting" - am I maybe somewhat kinda near being on the right track here!? :-P I've never had a camera with multiple setting options and I'm not sure what half of them are, let alone what they do and how to use them, so thanks for bearing with me! :-)


dreamsosweet ( ) posted Thu, 27 December 2001 at 11:38 AM

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I took the pic into PSP7 and tried to fix the eyes using the Enhance Photo/Red Eye Removal option, but it still doesn't look quite right....any suggestions? I'm very familiar with PSP, but I have *very* little experience in Photoshop and only have the Limited Edition that came with my Wacom tablet - I did bring the pic up in PS, but couldn't even find any photo editing options - I have the feeling I might could do better in PS (given the name "Photoshop", LOL) if I just knew where to start! :-P Thanks again for the help, and I'll try not to flood the board with too many totally inane questions! :-)


Finder ( ) posted Thu, 27 December 2001 at 4:09 PM

Those eyes are definately caused by having a light source close to the camera lens (that would be the camera's built-in flash). An interesting experiment that you can perform to demonstrate this phenomenon goes like this: Get a cat and a flashlight in the same dark place.. well, not exactly the same place -- the cat should be eight or ten or more feet away, and the flashlight should be in your hand. When you hold the flashlight against your temple (so it's right next to your eye), and illuminate the cat (especially a CAT, or other nocturnal creature) with it, then when the cat looks your way, you will notice this very pronounced effect. If you move the flashlight a very short distance from your eye, it goes away. One should also remember this technique if you hear a noise in the night -- hold the light to your temple (or next to your pistol, if you're looking down the sights -- is it OK if I say that? ..do I have to check the "Violence" button?), and you can't miss the glow of any eyes that are looking at you. Just a few inches to the side, and nuthin!


Finder ( ) posted Thu, 27 December 2001 at 4:15 PM

Content Advisory! This message contains nudity, violence

Yikes -- I suppose that if I were awoken by a sound in the night, I'd be bearing arms AND I'd be nude!


brittmccary ( ) posted Thu, 27 December 2001 at 7:42 PM

lol Excellent answer, Finder! I liked that you checked both the nudity AND the violence buttons!!! lololol Britt



dreamsosweet ( ) posted Thu, 27 December 2001 at 7:52 PM

Gosh, this started out as such an innocent thread, and now I've got Finder armed and, er, dangerous, LOL!


Misha883 ( ) posted Thu, 27 December 2001 at 8:43 PM

Does Photoshop redeye filter (for humans with red reflection off of retina), work for cats (with a green reflection)?


Finder ( ) posted Thu, 27 December 2001 at 8:45 PM

Yup, a pretty frightening sight.


dreamsosweet ( ) posted Thu, 27 December 2001 at 8:56 PM

Paint Shop Pro has an "animal" option in the redeye filter, but you have to get it lined up with and shaped just like the "bad" eye, which is where I ran into trouble with the half-closed eyes on the middle cat. Where's the redeye filter in PS? I thought I'd clicked on everything in the menu and didn't find it! :-P


Finder ( ) posted Thu, 27 December 2001 at 9:01 PM

NO red-eye feature in PS -- I just read a review that even mentioned that.


dreamsosweet ( ) posted Thu, 27 December 2001 at 9:57 PM

Well, I guess that explains why I couldn't find it, LOL!


PunkClown ( ) posted Thu, 27 December 2001 at 11:14 PM

No Red-eye reduction, but if you 'select' a circular or oval area over the pupil that you need to change and go to Ctrl-U (I think it's option-U in Apple) you can adjust the hue, saturation and lightness of that area to give you a great deal of control. It sounds time consuming but once you get used to it it does give you a lot of options...of course you can use curves, contrast or any other tool in photoshop to adjust the selected area, I find the Hue/saturation adjustment works best for me in these instances (weird-eyed nude & armed animals that is!) LOL!!


Antoonio ( ) posted Fri, 28 December 2001 at 4:53 AM

...way I have worked with red eyes,(asperin in the morning and lots of cold juice) is just paint. Take airbrush, soft round brush and simply overpaint. Or like Punkie said, select area and adjust levels, but use "feather" in magic wand-tool, to smooth out borders of selected area. Or just select bit larger area and erase edges with soft brush. .n


bsteph2069 ( ) posted Fri, 28 December 2001 at 5:07 AM

You could also clone the good eye of one of the cats in psp. It would seem that one way of solving the problem is to have lamp aranged such that the light is not directly going into their eyes. I don't think the red eye reduction flash may quite work. Red eye reduction on my camera operates by giving a flash just before the "real" flash to cause the iris to close. Since cats have this special night vision thing I'm not quite sure that their eyes may quite close enough. But good luck. I think you got the right idea. Bsteph


dreamsosweet ( ) posted Fri, 28 December 2001 at 2:52 PM

Thanks, everyone, for all your help and suggestions! I've been experimenting some and have found that the red-eye reduction flash turns everything blue-ish for some reason, but there is a no flash option, which seems to work pretty well if I turn on enough indirect room lights and use the incandescent white balance option. Of course a lot depends on where the cat is located at the time, but with 20 of them lying around the house at any given time, I can usually find at least one in a pretty good spot, LOL! So far I haven't had to doctor any more red eyes (or blue green ones, in this case), but I've made note of all the suggestions for that, for future reference, so I guess you could say I'm now well-armed for any eventuality - and fully clothed, too! :-) Thanks again for the help (and the fun) - and hope y'all like cats, cos you're going to be seeing a lot of them from me - at least until they figure out the sound of the lens cover opening and start running! :-P


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