The sense has been banned since long time ago from this site. The title said it all.

I always wondered why I can't get Netscape to show this site the same way as IE does.

Public answer to virus message called: "Sense has been banned ------- Sense": (I had deleted it because I wanted to make it with less english mistakes and more understandable, must try to do the best I can about english...thanks.) _____________________ Virus, ...don't like Renderosity ? Why still here, virus ? THE ANSWER IS JUST : PROVOKATION: Renderosity 's working good. It's liberal, it's open to free thinking, to free speech, free art. Why not try to destroy it, saying that there no sense anymore here ? That's a little bit too much simple, Mister ! The vice would be to pretend so, in order that artists spend heir time being revolted by people like you, and try to push some out of their minds, so that THEY would be banned. The ones who like this site and are only here to tell their brains out sincerely with their artworks and their comments. So, helpful comments for inprovements, okay, that's all we need if we are artists, not some cheap venimous vomitted hateful words. Which OTHER site on the Web does (and it is not going to be a Spider's web, sorry, virus) offer this kind of freedom ? Not many, but they are still too many for some if there was only one. And it is not the case, sorry. _I don't think your message: "Sense has been banned ------- Sense has been banned from Renderosity"....is any kind of constructive critiscism. I just think it's provokation. What do you propose ? Nothing. _I just think too, that some people are annoyed by the freedom Renderosity gives to their guests, artists or not. And that they react with anger, or more viciously, because some people here say the truth here (too much loud ? Too much strongly ? Too much openly ? But we are in The Country of Liberty, aren't we? Or is it now a legend from the past ? No, it's gonna be more and more the crual and eternal Reality in USA and everywhere else for people who want to abuse Humans and Nature, small scale or bigger, no matters), and, as everywhee, they become the scapegoats and the preys, because these other ones hate freedom. Some can't fight them openly , so they try to make them fight between themselves. This is a well-known "Strategery"...would I dare say ?!!! Liess mir lachen !(LOL) If only we "could close Renderosity", shouldn't it be closed, my dear Max, or my Dear Levretta ?"...is n't it the real deal, virus ? ...because some people beginning to think, is a VERY DANGEROUS thing for some...Periods & Systems. Now about sense: (Have you got any, writing this, by the way ?) _I think you have a goal, because you just want some of us out. That's the deal you are planning, and I'll explain it just now, and why it's NOT going to work). First of all, Renderosity is "sensed" to ban whoever they want, as long as it is justified. Yes, even by a simple Internal Policy.And I can testify I never saw any injustice yet here. And that you like it or not, well, it's not important, because you and me just are only two or of their GUEST(S)_with no money-charge. So, be a little bit humble...if you know this term. Second of all,...My last "common-sensed" thought about what you are just saying (after, I'll shut up, but I want people to understand what the deal is in reality with this kind of "Made up on purpose by some" Forum... and I'm going to try explaining it here: _What makes "sense" to me is that banishing anything or anyone that can could want to break out, "having it shut", pushing "it" to the point that the adms, the moderators and the owners would have to give up with their own Web-domain and whole Website, or even trying to jeopardize such a good site as Renderosity would deserve to be banished, and that it is THE good and ONLY thing to do in this case. ...Because you know what ? You don't break what's good ! ..Can't break freedom either, like they couldn't shut up some public people, they couln't always do it, and they will be able to do it less and less. But the ones who were broken were always soon or late: Emperors, Tyrans, and Dictators, and their supporters will have to shut up at least about their nostalgia. These times are over when Humans could possessed other Humans. Don't like Renderosity ? Why still here, virus ? THE ANSWER IS JUST : PROVOKATION: Renderosity 's working good. It's liberal, it's open. Why not try to destroy it, saying that there no sense anymore here ? That's a little bit too much simple, Mister ! _I don't think your message: "Sense has been banned ------- Sense"....is any kind of constructive critiscism. I just think it's provokation. I just think too, that some people are annoyed by the freedom Renderosity gives to their guests, artists or not. And that they react with anger, because some people say the truth here (too much, to strongly, too much openly ? But we are in The Country of Liberty, aren't we?), and, as everywhee, of course, Mr. Virourse, they become the scapegoats and the preys, because these other ones hate freedom. _"Oh, Darling, If only we "could close Renderosity", why couldn't we, my dear Max, or my Dear Levretta ?" Be honest with yourself and with all:...is n't it the real deal, virus ? ...because some people beginning to think is a VERY DANGEROUS thing for some...Period (they brainless "think"...) Now about sense: (Have you got any, writing this, by the way ? I think you have, yes, because you just want some of us out of Renderosity, that's the deal you are planning, and I explain it very quietly, because there's no doubt about it): First of all, Renderosity is "sensed" to ban who they want, as long as it is justified. And I can testify I never saw any injustice yet her. An that you like it or not, well, you just are their GUEST(S). So, be a little bit humble...if you know this term. Second of all,...My last "common-sense" Thought about what you are just saying (after, I'll shut up, but I want people to understand what the deal is in reality, and I'm going to try explaining here: _What makes "sense" to me is banishing anything or anyone that can could want break out, having it shut, pushing it to the point that the Adms, the Moderators and the owners to give up with thei domain and whole site, or even trying to jeopardize such a good site as Renderosity would deserve to be banished, and a good thing to do. ...Because you know what ? You don't break what's good ! Please, can you fight the bad things in this country, instead of blaming a site who trusted you and wecame you ? But they are maybe your things , aren't they ? ...And please get rid of this big tree-trunk you sem to have in your eye, before "taking care" of the one(s) who just got a little straw in theirs. _I think Renderosity is absolutely right to ban everyone for whom thinking honestly & trying doing good and behaving good is a nonsense.(or the ones for whom it 's such sick fun and a big and silly sick vandal retarded pleasure to say: _"..We 're gonna break 'em, Man...Believe mah!" What kind of no-brains losers could be these guys, what kind of smile do you have, how canyou sleep at night? and why Renderosity, or anyone who has any "SENSE" would want to keep them ?(Question). That's not even a "punky" behavior, that's hate. Punks had better and healthier reasons to be against a certain numbers of things, and had righter targets, even beatnicks or Hippies had. _And most of us can figure out why these guys do that: It's simple, Dr. Watson: This site is too much "liberal" to their eyes and minds. Period. Not on the political sense, no, on the general sense of "freedom", or "Liberty"..liberties...if you know what I mean, it doesn't fit their ideal...Don't try to teach old monkeys how to make faces...!!! I let you , or should I say, because I can't hope more, the other ones meditate about that. I won't interfere anymore, even ifever ANYONE answers me. _ Someone prove me that I'm thinking wronly what I'm thinking. Just it. I won't spend my time any longer answering you you're welcome ! neither defending Renderosity EITHER, because it is what you want: A "virtual" clash or a riot, and the End of Renderosity. You won't get it, because I would be accused then to get some benefit of money from them, right ? And mainly too, because I like to do art better than talking, even if my artwork's not that good. No, I might be only interested by people who want to help people wanting keeping too many from staying asleep and be with them to awake them & tell them to stay vigilant against all the ugly things that some systems are supporting & are coping with some Nations guilty of crimes, under the mask of some noble "Honnorable" Cause for doing it, or keeping citizens in Insecurity and ignorance,TALKING non-stop about Insecurity or Terrorism on TV. of course, because Insecurity, it's them ! and now vigilant about this, coz' the only thing I know is ....these people that can't stand "people who are awaken and vigilant, peaceful, liking only freedom and Love" are here too, on Renderosity. These ones shouldn't be only banned from Renderosity. They should be banned more generally from the Universe itself. And they will. We can be patient. And still more generally, just know that we are billions more tahn you wanting peace & freedom, wanting a real stop to some actual "slavery" or "power of hypnotism", and we have many more & different stronger things if necessary than all of your tanks, helicopters, nuclear or chemical weapons, despite some Mr. D. (read last days New-YorkTimes Breaking News for more information, people begin to REALLY WAKE, or others tell openly their plans, which is a moron thing to do, isn't it ? Because, after one year, now people will endly WAKE, perceive and and face the real "terrorists" and their "strategeries" on this planet. Please don't answer this message. Don't want to loose more time with you or others like you. Nobody does. I wouldn't even read the answers anyway. _Just know that freedom is not going to disappear from USA. ...just because of previewable some provokations...small (localized) or bigger and public... _But you're going to say once again that kind of thing: ""I don't know what "the heck" yu're taling about talking about""...so, don't waste your energy: => If you're not satisfied of Renderosity, and maybe you have some good reasons, but if not satisfied, you have to do one thing: => just GO. _You won't break Renderosity, 'd rather choose some other prey right now, some more appropriate one(s). _I'm sorry for my good english, this time, but if at least you understand you're losing your energy for nothing, that's alright, Virus, bye ! The Trap didn't work. Sorry, virus...or others. ...just wasted a few moments of some others lives, how big is this sacrifice answering you ? Not much. But: How big is this behavior of yours's Victory ? _I repeat that I would NOT even read the answer, this time, Man. Sorry again. Your trick doesn't work. It's too old and too much known. An people will find something else than answering you after my little paper-work "article" here, I hope so ! Jean-Pierre Mayet. (liftan for Renderosity)

My God, you're long winded. I've been here a short time, and let me tell you the facts as I see them. Some people claim to champion Freedom of Speech. Some people are downright obnoxious, and don't seem to care about anyone but themselves or their "friends." If anyone disagrees, or complains, they get kicked in the balls. Plain and simple. Go back and look at some of the arguments going on here. If you talked to someone like that in the real world, you'd probably get kicked out of the building.

Are you answering to me, poserfool ? If yes, then this is for you only. If not, consider my apologies, and don't bother. ----SO,----TO POSERFOOL, EVENTUALLY_______________ Sorry, what you said is wrong about this site. _It's just simply false. I got the US citizenship now, and, God knows, I'm not going to shut up in MY new country. Because I love USA. And freedom of speech, yes. _And USA is not going to become a dictature, even if some illegitimate leaders, their guys & troops were leading it...for the moment. _Renderosity doesn't kick in the b... anyone disagreeing or complaining about Renderosity, or even against other complains.They publish them. But maybe you'd WANT that they'd kick out the free speech if this speech was not in acchord with the things you want to "conserve". I have nothing against seeing the Conservative conserving the good things and good traditions. I mean they have too very qualified, honest & gentle persons there. The question is: Why do they deny the Evidence, and never admit that they could have been totally wrong, and never dare deny blinly the goddamned Truth simply saying that: Damn it and us, for one second,because we are ACTUALLY wong. And I say: Only the morons never doubt. I am not attacking the Conservative, I'm just attacking the hypocrites amongst them. And the ones who look like deny or hide their head in the sand. All the rest of them are okay for me. Am I a champion of free speech only for myself and my friends ? Not at all. Second error. The fact that I disagree with condamning blindly a site that did nothing too much wrong with their GUESTS, and the fact I estimate it's my right to support them when I really think some ones are trying to destroy this ite from the inside. No "Troie's Horses", we already gave to these beggars before: They ain't real beggars. And I repeat, if you don't like Renderosity, just GO ! ...won't happen, you won't desrtroy freedom here on Rnderosity, neither nowhere else, in America or anywher else, even if it was tried, and even if you had a 4 years "Sozial"-Plan or more to do it. It will stay a free country and Renderosity a "liberal" site,in the sense of Liberty, or freedom if you prefer. I know you mustn't like the term "liberal" too much... _If people like me or me are "kicked out" from Renderosity, but it won't be by your power. Or you would FIRST have had succeded to have Renderosity closed at the same time, isn't it the real aim for you ? ..Just forget it...and forget me...as I'm ready to forget you. The "US Buiding" is not going to kick me out either. But maybe to your mind, guys like me or others deserve to be kicked out from USA ? Because they just don't agree with the same old "brand new show" on TV and because they denounce it being a propaganda ? IS that your "SENSE" of fredom ? Let me laugh. Read again my letter: There's no "epuration on Renderosity", just a tiny hateful ridiculous conspiracy, by the ones who want to raise a hell in the "farm". <<>> (french proverb.) You just condamn Renderosity because this place is sincerely welcoming free minded guys and gals, free art, and free opened-minded people, maybe more or less creative, yes, but anybody can progress. This is ridiculous. And I'm not championing Freedom of Speech here or anywhee else. I only think "US Buiding" should see clearly that "US Building " would not exist at all without the Europeans who came and build this country for you (and why not me if I bring something to this country working art is one of my jobs, the rest are journalism and computing and acting to "Conservate" freedom, Liberty and not only its Bartoldi's Statue (strangely french, the guy Bartoldi...), but the real thing, freedom in act of everyone for everyone, and every single day, in any legal way ? If it's considered a crime trying honestly doing this now on..and never give up, then you are really have no future...and it won't be the ones you think, that you can call rats, who'll "leave the boat" when it sinks..Watch out though: It just has began to have a "leak" at it,... for about one year!... I'm not a ennemy of the USA just because I can't support some infamy(ies), felony(ies) or big mistake(s) they could commit, or because I talk about them. And that's why even Immigration Services are not stupid enough to kick people like me or you ... out of out of their "Building"(that our common Europpean ancestors built ! We are here to help.( sorry, it' true, you like it or not, it's a helpul comments & speech for helping people to wake & stay standing Citizens). It's maybe clumsy, but it's sincere. Bonsoir chez toi. Salut toi if you "get it". Too bad for you if you don't. So, please, stop to 'worry" for me, okay ?... THANKS ! Alfie (liftan for Renderosity)

"I got the US citizenship now, and, God knows, I'm not going to shut up in MY new country." Actually, it looks more like you just got a new keyboard and you're breaking it in. "I repeat that I would NOT even read the answer" "Are you answering to me, poserfool ?" Since you read what he posted, apparently not. THIS post IS an answer, so DON"T READ IT! "Sense has been banned" Having read the gibberish you've posted, you may have actually just proven Virus right.

liftan, I'm sure glad you didn't read my answer or write yours. I still couldn't make any sense out of your words. Let me make things plain for you. The problem is some very sick fools who use "freedom of speech" as a mask to hide their evil deeds. Just try to cross these people, and you get creamed on the forums. Keep at it, and things get much worse. Did you ever wonder what happened to some of the people who used to fight these fools? Some of them are apologzing publicly because they can't take the heat. Did you ever wonder why some of the opposition has disappeared? The dirty tricks are not just confined to Renderosity. They extend into the outside world. And no one is willing to stop it. (These days, TOS apparently only exists to protect the bad guys.) Freedom of speech requires responsibility. Your right to swing your fist stops when it reaches my nose. Freedom of speech is a right not a weapon used by the evil against their opposition. You're new to this country, if you can be believed. That's ok, many people who are born here still don't understand what it's really all about. I'm a poserfool, and proud of it.

LOL, I have to say that this thread not only has the best subject line I've seen in a long time, but poserfool's last response was one of the most intelligent things I've heard around here in a very long time as well. Thank you for making me feel like there are still some people left who try to use freedom of speech for "good". :) Take care. SnowS

Freedom of speech extends to everyone Ron. Whether you agree with what they have to say or not. That means...you get to say what you want...and everybody who disagrees with you gets the same privilege. Deal with it. The day you think you can define what we all should be able say or not say....you miss the whole concept and right of "Freedom of Speech." Freedom of Speech is an extremely abused right. I will agree on that point. But ya know what....I will fight to the death for people's right to abuse it. Outta this thread. Yep...gonna get me pissed otherwise.

So now you think you're smart enough to know my name? Nope. Ok, so why do some of this place's biggest advocates of Freedom of Speech go out of their way to hurt their opponents? Could it be that Freedom only goes to those with a big enough stick?! If you're really an advocate of freedom, you picked the wrong team to defend. But you'll probably never realize that.

...Think this forum posted by virus first could be over, if you don't mind. We all have all seen that what when you wrote: "Freedom of speech requires responsibility...", you were certainly talking about you and some of your friends who haven't any, weren't you, poserfool ? I think it's time to get this fake & crooked forum posted by virus first over. Is that too gibberish for you to get it ? I say: Just please be decent enough to shut up. Your apology might be wished, but, if not, at least, your silence SEEMS TO BE WANTED about what is or not gibberish or bad "evil "free-speech"(ha ha )is: it's seems to be wanted NOT by me only. About this forum & about this or that one cn say or not, and too about what's the hell Renderosity has become.." Good Lord ! D'you really hate where you are a guest ? THEN GO ! Do you still say now: "gibberish" too ? _How gibberish "Sense has been banned --------------Sense" first message was, talking about the Site that is your host ? Over. I think you have enough to think with, ifever you can think. For me, this joke has lasted too long, and yes, I, or other ones too can make you shut up and be out of here... Just go on provokation, wanna give it your last try ? Up to you. _I see so much "the Hardship-Warrior" through you...wouldn't amaze me...not intimidated though...sorry. Renderosity will jugde if you qualified for that. Chao & definitely goodnight ! No hard feeling though, was just ridiculous from the beginning. Just saying the title of the complain proved it was a local tiny clan's plot. -When you loose playing cards,we say in french,_sorry, yes, I was born french, makes me retarded...travel a little bit... your friend adversaire says to you: (friendly though) "This turn, "you're in..." (means in the sh.. ).An they aren't "evils" for saying that. I mean, I just hope _ for you that you stop it right now. Alfie (liftan for Renderosity.)

"For me, this joke has lasted too long, and yes, I, or other ones too can make you shut up and be out of here... Just go on provokation, wanna give it your last try ? Up to you." Oh my gosh, is that a threat?! Ooooooo.

For a guy keeps talking about free speech, you sure do like telling people to shut up, don't you? What a hypocrite. I'm sorry if you're offended by my referring to your posts as gibberish, but if I can't understand what the hell you're saying, it's gibberish. I'm not knocking your opinion, because I'm not entirely sure what it IS. I'm sorry if your knowledge of English is so poor, but whatever the hell your point is, your just not getting it across. Making your posts ridiculously long doesn't help, either. Would you understand my horrible French if I yelled it real loud? I didn't think so. I'm sorry if you think you can post a reply to someone's message, rant and rave and insult them and make wild accusations, and not have anyone respond. It doesn't work that way. This is a FORUM, not your personal editorial column. Sorry again. There's your apology. NOW... I said it in my reply, and I'll say again here: DO NOT send my any more hate-mail IM's, or I will have the admins put a stop to it, and I will also post the contents here for all to see. Everything I've said, I've said in the forum, and in the forum is where you will answer me. If you're so ashamed of what you have to say that you don't want the public to see it, don't say it. I don't do the IM flame-war thing.

Wow, so liftan is actually threatening you via IM?! I hope you're archiving everything.

How about we end this here.