I came off a bit harsh last night, of which I have never really done. I also asked for something that by being an artist I have often feared. I asked for absolute censorship! I do not condone this action and it was made out of haste. Lain went above and beyond what I thought would be done. There are some very talented Poser artists here and all really wanted to accomplish was a modicum of respect to the rest of the community. I want to enjoy looking through the whole community gallery without being subjected. I actually enjoy Lains work and hated myself for impose some sort of morality judgment, had Lains image contained a warning this would be a moot point. Lains response was quick and not what I expected and I would have been happy with just a warning on the thumbnail. I dont want the Community to stifle creativity, but at the same time there needs to be mutual respect. Thanks (Not so) Vile (after all)

Your message reads as an excuse, not as an apology. Excuses are well and needful in their own way, as paving stones for communication and understanding... but should not be confused with remorse.

Actually I did feel some remorse about overreacting and for my vague accusations. And you are right these are my reasons, but I felt there did not need to be bad feeling over my opinion as this is a community and not my personal web page. I also felt that I was being something that I dont like.

I have no idea what this is all about. But if you're willing to apologize, that's great. Don't let anyone lecture you on how to apologize. Geesh.

I was taught that if I didn't know anything about a subject that it was best to stay out of it, unless I was looking for trouble. Everyone has different upbringings I guess. Vile yours comment was the only public comment but if your comment was the only one Lain got, I'd be surprised. I'm glad you've changed your mind though. I wish Lain would repost it. I want my wife to see it, since it is one of the better images I've seen on Rosity lately.

I'll scroll down to see what the controversy is about, but before I do, let me say that www.renderotica.com is the appropriate place for the porn and "gee, I made a neccid woman" images. I'm not egging Vile on, but at the same time, I'm wondering if folks know the difference between art and Barbie Doll upskirt peeks. I'm here to learn about CG techniques and to share with the community. Last night I got an eye full of some gay erect male images from a link in a thread and there was no warning. It was not art, it was pure porn and quite offensive. AND I DON'T WANT THAT CRAP ON MY HARD DRIVE IN EXPLORER TEMP FOLDERS OR COOKIES SO CUT IT OUT.

AND IF YOU DONT WANT TO CUT IT OUT, AT LEAST WARN SO THOSE OF US WHO DON'T WANT TO VIEW IT CAN EXERCISE OUR FREE CHOICE.

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um, questionfor you, is your issue with the above mentioned link due to it being porn or it being gay porn? I agree that when a link is going to porn images it should be mentioned in the post, reguardless of if it is gay or straight porn. in august of last summer Stormrage and I took our daughter to an art show, the director/curator for the show is a good friend of ours. the showis an annual show called "Pride in Art" and is mainly a "gay" show. but it isn't porn it is art. from sculptures to oil paintings. Our friend often asks me to judge different works in the show, as he knows I'll look at the work without judging it negatively because the artist is gay, or because two males in the image are nude. saw one lady come through the gallery, brining her grandchildren through the show, to educate them on art. the show is held in a local community centre. nope, to me porn in not art.

Jacqui and Eric, you need to define porn at this point...

IMNSHO I'd say porn is meant to stimulate physical arousal. Like when I'm waiting in the grocery line and I find myself mesmerized by the cleavage of a half-naked hollywood actress on the cover of 'Vogue'. And non-porn art is meant to stimulate conversation, "Hey Baby, wanna see my etchings?" But, seriously - I think the real issue here is censorship. Censor one thing and it may snowball. No more nudes allowed (male or female) on the galleries.

The easiest way to solve the "problem" if you don't want to see nudes is change your settings on your homepage to filter out the nudity tagged pictures. I on the other hand have no problem with nude pictures if I know in advance. Rob

If art is supposed to convey a message and provoke a response then all pornography is art. Is my animation above porn or art?...

Saxon, you pose an interesting question. I'm chompin' at the bit to continue this but I don't think it's appropriate considering Vile began this thread for other reasons.

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Some of the points, I think, are well made. If many non-Poser users are given reasons to dismiss Poser gallery contributions as "porn which took 2 minutes to set up" this is going to have a detremental effect of CL's attempts to reposition Poser as a serious mid-range product.

Personally I have no objection to either porn, or to beginners sharing their works (or both), but there are specific galleries on this site, and other sites dedicated to those types of work so there is no reason why these works should be posted in the mainstream gallery.

Bill

Some of the points, I think, are well made. If many non-Poser users are given reasons to dismiss Poser gallery contributions as "porn which took 2 minutes to set up" this is going to have a detremental effect of CL's attempts to reposition Poser as a serious mid-range product. Yup, my sentiments on this, as well. Our poser gallery has become a bit of a joke. i think it is because many buy poser as their "first" 3d type app. others, myself included, got poser to simply put some figures in a scene generated in another app. in the second case, the overall content of the whole picture is important, whereas, in poser, the "character" gets the emphasis. man, i explained this very badly....must have more coffee...brain is still half asleep.

First off, thank you for the appology Vile, you did a good thing. It's not easy to admit when you have possibly made a mistake and it's commendable that you felt moved to post this. I believe the gripe here is not about an image or animation being "porn" or not, but the lack of warning that an image or animation may be questionable, thus giving the viewer a choice as to view or not. If my neice is in the room I may want to wait and view an image later that may not be appropriate for a 5 year old. As for wether Poser images are "art" or not, I got Poser for one main reason- I can't draw people. My backgrounds and entire composition are just as important as the character. And before some smarty-pants points out that "I" have no gallery here- I do. You just know me by a different name in the galleries. Bob

Oops. I didn't mean to put 'No' in front of 'More Nudes on the gallery'. The Little General had to correct me. Phew! Don't wanna make him mad. I'd be lost without 'em. I meant censorship WOULD LEAD TO 'no more nudes on the gallery'. Who can afford clothes anyway when you're saving up for P5!!

I too am absolutly against Censorship, I think my own gallery states that. Even when requested to do a 'clothed' version of "Touching Up", I tried but it just didn't have the same 'feel' for me and I trashed the idea. On the same note; I am not a fan of "hard-core porno" or (not trying to step on toes) gay stuff. It's all a matter of individual prefrances and if we all take each other's feelings in consideration and refrain from Nudity in our Thumbnails and clearly mark anything containing Any nudity then no one's feeling should be hurt nor should anyone feel 'censored'. Also it is everyone's own responsibility to set your browsers setting apropriatly, if you don't know how, just ask someone. Also then I might be able to visit the galleries at work again where I have the BB to do so ;p Everyone here is different, yet we all have something in common, that's why were here: Let's just all get along, please....

I've done quite a few nudes for the galleries, some pinups, no porn, I only wish they had taken 2 minutes to set up. 2 hours is the quickest. And that doesn't count the multiple renders. I bought the program, I bought the models. I'm grateful to CL for supporting and now vastly improving, I hope, a prog I like to use. Beyond that, I don't think I OWE them a particular style. And I'm willing to bet that a company that used to have a huge cut out Vicki in a bikini over their offices wouldn't ask anybody to suddenly knuckle down and do serious Art What I do feel like I OWE CL is showing other people how much fun it is to play with Poser. And that often involves Pinups and nudes. I always mark the nudity check box if it's anywhere close, but I Never put "Nudity" in the title. For me, that cheapens my work. It also treats the rest of the viewers of the galleries as moronic children who don't know how to work the controls. [Only my opinion, the only opinions I know] Emily

they didn't did they? a huge cut out? I'd love to see that. That's what I call art ;)

According to kupa on one of his forum posts, they did. I don't know how huge it was. Big enough, if I remember correctly, to get some complaints.:) Emily

perhaps if it still lives over at their offices someone could take a snap of it and post it :) Rob