So far, the new items on the pic are only the dust bun, the shards/broken bottle and the water bottle. All the contents of the bin is my "old" trash, but if I was to sell this, the dustbin would of course contain more new items instead of those old, free ones. Just haven't made them yet.

But whaddaya think? and what could I charge for something like this? (please remember that it's far from finished, but say the bin was filled with NEW items?)

uhm dust bIn, not dust bUn... bleh

Interesting question, because there's the psychological element of the models representing "trash," even though they're perfectly valid, useful, well-made models. (Plus, there's a shortage of not-new not-perfect not-clean things in Poser-land.) The idea of a themed bundle of objects is probably a smart move. The package would probably be more appealing that single trash-theme items, and you might make better profit that way. Your work is high quality and attractive. I'm sure you would sell your work in Marketplace if you chose to go that route. In the meantime, thanks for all the cool free things!

Yes, I think it would sell. Trash and odd bits and pieces are desperately needed to fill out otherwise quite sterile scenes. A bin full of trash for - say $5, $10 - isn't going to break anybody's budget and it is so usefull. And you could do 'themed' trash... modern, medievil(?), fantasy, SF and probably others. Just think of all the props out there... okay, now think of them broken and laying in the gutter (or filling a bin). Jack

Oh, and while I'm on a roll... what about 'flat' clothes (as in laying on a bed or dropped on the floor)? Jack

I would... if you had some really manky, gungey, rotten fruit and veg. Just think... with Poser 5 you'd even be able to put hair on them..! :)

hehe, ziggie... I HAVE some rotten fruit, a rotten apple core: and also some fresh fruits,
feel free to paint a moldy texture on those and let them grow hair L

And Lemur: I've tried to make flat clothes for quite some time, but they STILL doesn't look as I want them to look >:o(
Best offer right now for dropped clothes are my Super Morph Sheet, it has a "dropped-to-floor"-morph.

I'd pay $15 for sure, if it's new stuff. Ziggie's idea should be possible in P5, with the animatable textures. (From the manual, I'm guessing you'll be able to set varying patterns of moldiness with one parameter, so you could actually watch the thing spoil!) Sidenote: Properly speaking there shouldn't be any stigma attached to trash. It's harder to make an object look old and crumpled than to draw or create a nice sharp fresh surface. Ever read Jonathan Gash's delightful Lovejoy stories, about the difficult craft of faking antiques?

I would buy the bin+trash package. And the idea of themed trash is interesting---I'm going to need 'cyber trash' like you'd see in a hi-tech noir urban scene in say 2020. I've already started a folder of computer circuit board photos that I was going to apply to squares and rectangles with bump maps, but I'd much rather have an actual 3dimensional board that would shadow properly......And I'll bet there are other non-modelers who could find a use for them, too.

Make it a whole scene. Include your fence and a wall with a variety of graffitti and decaying posters. Include a ground texture with leaves and wet paper-- oh even without a gutter, but a gutter would be choice. I'm there. You would have takers for this, I guarantee.:) Emily

Another thing, offer, alternate textures for your freebies and include them as upgrades. I'm thinking the blanket, can o beans, etc. Include the spam. Em

[[I mean would anybody actually PAY for trash?]] Why not? We VOTE for trash all the time. ;o) Actually, since you mentioned it, clothes that are flat like on a bed or partially folded & hung over the back of a chair would be VERY handy - allowing detail to be added to scenes that would make them more real. Please, DO go with this one. I don't have a real big use for trash, but you do it SO well I may have to think up a 'trashy' pic.

First they tax our tea and raise taxes on our cigarettes, Now they want us to Pay for what we Throw Away??!! Why not? Your stuff is awsome and much needed to add that 'touch of realisim'. If I weren't broke at the moment (waitin for P5 and my Mimic order;) I'd buy it....Just lay off the taxes on my Cigs & Coffee, Okay??

Medeival trash please - cabbage leaves, cornstalks, fish heads, etc. Actually I also need produce - cabbages and potatoes and turnips, so I can finish my 'street scene WIP'

"would anybody buy stuff like this?" whisper If you make it, I will buy...... G

I might consider paying for your trash if I didn't need to resize it all to work properly.

I'm thinking the compactor scene in star wars your trash and ajax's easypose tenticle...hmmmm

Sure thing I collect trash, and I would buy. ps you always get cigarette ash round a waste bin and maybe some of those dust build ups that live in the corner between wall and floor. OOh and broken pens and pencils etc. Take it from an ex professional cleaning manager.(Danish company btw)

I think a quality trash set is an outstanding idea. Your free stuff is great, and it's logical for you to move to the market place once you have honed your skills. I didn't find it very hard to scale the FREE props that you have already made. Of course I have this nifty free ruler.

heh All the new props are of proper scale..... And I have to admit that I never thought of it as a problem, untill Chrisjon mentioned it. But OK. I aim to please my customers, whether they pay or not, so I strive to make the new items the right scale :o)

royg: I downloaded your nifty ruler. It is all white, with no measuring marks on it. So much for that. ernyoka1, I may well be the only one who had a problem with resizing your wonderful stuff. I'm a dunce when it comes to some of these things.... I still very much value your work and appreciate your generosity.

Sorry you don't like the ruler Ron. You have to render it to see the texture. It's only a single ploygon. Or use "texture shaded viewing mode" (Use ctrl + 9)

This is the texture that comes packed with the ruler. You could scan in a picture of a real ruler if you like. Just crop it right to the edges.

Roy, I would like the ruler if it worked. I am trying to find a way to know how to resize the props.. I can't do that if I can't see the measurements on the ruler before I render. It looks like I'm lost again.

Roy, If your ruler is exactly 12" long (and since it measured thusly when compared to Dr Geep's tools, we'll both assume that it is spot-on accurate), folks don't actually have to see the markings to use it. We use body-parts to measure with all the time, and WE don't come with quarter-inch lines inked down our arms in indelible ink. The distance from my nose to the tip of my thumb is exactly 36 inches (the same as Henry IV), and I can measure out 10 yards of fabric and be within a couple of inches of accuracy, depending upon its stiffness or slitheriness. Humans are born with the ability to approximate, and we do it quite well. Do you park within 18" of the curb? Do you pull out a measuring tape every time you park? We sew with a 5/8" seam allowance... and I haven't marked that since jr high. Maybe we'll measure the space for a dishwasher or other built-in involving plumbing and wiring, but just about everything else is going to be eyeballed. (This may also explain why 2X4"s aren't quite what they used to be!) If you know that a beer bottle is 8" tall and your ruler is 12", then scaling the beer bottle to 2/3 the height of the ruler is something a 4th-grader could do, except that you don't allow children around the beer and cigarettes (a hardpack would be maybe 1/3 the height? I don't smoke). Would a quarter inch here or there matter? I doubt it. Many of us photographers use dimes or rulers and yardsticks when shooting reference photos... not for the individual markings, but for the overall size. If the face of the dime dwarfs the alpine violet next to it, the viewer gets an idea of scale, and that is good enough. The Phds can pull out their calipers. Ernyoka, Making quality trash is much harder than making spiffy new merchandise. People here obviously appreciate and need such items. I'd vote for themed sets, according to era, and perhaps by ethnic region later on. We are known by what we discard... and the archeologists of the future will make so many mistakes digging through the middens we are building now. Carolly

OH gee, Carolly, I'm sorry, but not everyone does things the way you describe. I never use my body parts to measure anything. I use rulers, tape measures, etc. You make many assumptions about how people operate when it comes to measurements. I was frankly surprised by that. And no, I don't feel defective because I don't "work" the way you describe. I couldn't tell you how far I park from the curb, and I never measure fabric. If I did, I would use the trusty tape measure. I can't tell you how far it is from work to home unless I set the odometer to do the job for me. I couldn't tell you the dimensions of a beer bottle or milk carton. And just how could you set such items to 2/3 the size of a ruler? I don't see a "size by comparison" feature in Poser. (Ex: Make this item 2/3 the size of another item. Come to think of it, Poser doesn't work in fractions, but in percentages.) I finally decided to use a ruler to measure some household items. The problem? I don't have milk cartons in the house right now. I don't feel like measuring a pile of dog poop. *** I just love ernyoka1's work, and am grateful for the freebies. I just need a way to make it all work properly for me. That means I need some constructive assistance. I did finally figure how to use Roy G's ruler. It does help a lot. I just need to run around and take measurements of things I don't use every day. Come to think of it, I haven't been to Burger King lately.

Ron, Perhaps you need to learn why we have measuring tools in the first place. Early man didn't have hardware stores with their free yardsticks. The "megalithic yard" of roughly 29" used in measuring out the prehistoric stone monuments was standardized early enough to put those lintels on top of Stonehenge (and several OTHER henges) pretty darned accurately. Those guys couldn't read or write, but they knew how to measure with their eyes and their bodies... 5,000 odd years ago. This is NOT an assumption about how people used their bodies. This is a cold hard FACT. Swallow it. A foot was... you guessed it! The size of someone's foot. Feet were paced off by putting them down heel to toe in a straight line. The cubit (you know what a cubit is... it is frequently mentioned in the Bible) is the length of a man's bent forearm from elbow to middle finger tip. In ancient Egypt (about the time of Exodus) this was close to 18" and is a very convenient measuring device. The Egyptians used it all the time (well, for 2-3000 years, until the Romans took over with their engineers). This is a fact and the evidence stands tall in pyramid after pyramid. Horses are still measured in hands. You know what a hand is? You have two of them. I can tell time with my hands and the position of the sun. Can you? Even those of us who were never in scouting learned some little survival tricks. The yard I've already mentioned, and I don't think we'll go into volumetric measurements... although heads and such are fascinating. I'm quite glad that you do not feel defective because you operate in a manner uniquely your own. I operate in my own way, as well. In a world of clones we each need something to distinguish ourselves. Otherwise society would be no more interesting than a bowl of guppies swimming in the same circle. Carolly

Carolly, I have researched such concepts as measurements, using various sources. I've also found an excellent book called "Panati's Extraordinary Origins of Everyday Things." This is the neatest book I've ever found, and tells the origins of so many things, including holidays! Let's take a look at the "old time measurements." Imagine my size 10 shoe next to my wife's shoe. Imagine my hand compared to a woman's hand, etc. These measurements might have worked ok if the same person functioned as a "measuring stick" for the entire life of a project. However, if different people with different body sizes gather together, you suddenly have items of different sizes, and conflicts arise. I do believe this disparity in size of body parts was overcome by at least one monarch claiming the size of his foot or body part(s) as the standard of measurement. With that in mind, I won't swallow the concept of using ancient measuring methods as a viable alternative today.