Hello, I'm new to poser. Just curious if there is any forums for children between ages 12 and 16? If anyone has any info regarding this it would be most helpful?

Hi :) I don't think there are any forums for kids those ages. My daughter is 15 and uses Poser and gets very frustrated at not finding a place to share with others the same age. Good luck finding some where? regards

I'm not aware of one either. I know my daughter uses poser and would sure like a place to share thoughts and pictures. I would also like to know of such a site or if there are enough people's kids here at Renderosity to warrant such a forum(100,000 and growing, I would think so). Let me go out on a limb here and suggest that it would become a BIG hit. No a super colossal hit! I think it would be in Renderosity's best interests to start such a forum because, if my intuition is correct here, it would foster an entirely new generation of poser artists, and would certainly begin an entirely new trend in poser products. This would be fun and profitable for the entire poser community. I for one see great market potential here. Renderosity, what do you think? Is this "doable"? Perhaps it could start of as a multi media forum, ie: PSP, Poser, Vue, Bryce, etc. all in one forum and if necessary in time it could expand into seperate forums all under one kids section. This really is one hell of an exciting idea. Does anyone else see the huge potential here? Thanks MoonDrop for reminding us of the need! Could even kick it off with a "name the new kids forum" contest. Sorry, for once it would be................. "NO ADULTS ALLOWED"(lol).

Due to the fact that some threads tend to get lost..... I just wanted to alert everyone to this thread because I personally believe having Renderosity support a forum here for kids is a must!!! It is just to good of an idea to go unnoticed! Please...your thoughts on this. Thank You

my 2 cents... for what it's worth my 13 year old nephew, who loves both computers and art, would never frequent any forum, site, etc., which catered just to kids. It seems that they hit their teens and for some unknown reason just don't want to be grouped with the 'kids' anymore. if I remember correctly from a recent thread in the Bryce forum, a member here named madmax.br5 is 15 years old. He holds his own very well around here both artistically and intellectually, and has taught me a thing or two himself. I, personally, wish I was that young again and just getting into 3D graphics. I picked things up so much quicker back then. And I guarantee that I'd be doing exactly what Max is doing here, learning and teaching, and not frequenting a 'kids forum'. there are already 'kids' here. there are those who frequent the poser galleries for the endless supply of poser-porn which gets posted there, and there are those who are here genuinely trying to learn something new and share what they know with the rest of us... just like most of us 'adults'. I'm not saying that what you suggest is a bad thing. I just wouldn't expect a 'kids' forum to get anymore hits than, say, the Canoma forum (no new posts in two weeks, and I own Canoma, not putting it down, at all). Also, although I'm sure such a forum here would be well moderated, when you label anything 'for kids only', particularly forums and chats, you're USUALLY turning on a bright neon sign which says 'pervs shop here'. therefore, again IMHO, I think the best thing to do is what is already being done, and let those 'kids' who truly want to learn this hobby/trade of 3D graphics sit in on the forums as equals, learning and contributing as each one desires.

now... I'll probably get reamed good for my opinion.. so fire away. And if by some chance a kids forum is created, I truly hope that I'm proven wrong.

No not at all. Dialoguing is important. Your right, a cool name must be utilized, hence my earlier suggestion of a "name the forum contest". The kids thing was just a reference term to throw the idea out there! Even if it starts out slow, I think it doesn't hurt to put the forum in place to "see" what kid of response it gets. Positioned and imaged correctly the potential here is huge. The spin offs could be huge. Remember barbie, well correct me if I'm wrong but isn't poser a VIRTUAL BARBIE. See where I'm going with this! IT"S HUGE. A sleeping giant and it could all begin right here, right now. 3RD party product producers must be able to see the potential here. Of course not everyone believed Disney with his strange ideas at the beginning either. Kids/teenagers could have the option to be in all forums anyway but this would give them a club, a place and with the right contests and promotions geared towards them they would be made to feel special. I know my daughter is now excited at this idea. I have imaged many very high end clients in my career and believe me, from my vantage point, this is a sleeping giant. I think it deserves its start here at Renderosity. It certainly doesn't hurt to give it a try. Build it and they will come and give them the freedom to shape it into their own entity! Its huge folks! (would it help if I told you how many industry awards I've won for my half-baked ideas?...they all started with the feeling and intuition I'm sensing about this one) Thanks for listening!

lol... thanks, I'll never look at Vicky the same way again. I wouldn't have been caught dead playing with a Barbie in my youth (nor now, for that matter) but I'll sit for hours trying to get Vicky's blouse just right, or her skirt to lay just so... jeez, what a hypocrite!! :O) lol And you have a point... you never know until you try. If things go badly, it can always be scrapped. Push on, and good luck!

As the father of two teens I must say I am not overjoyed with the visions of dollars signs that seem to be dancing in heads. That certainly seems to be the tone this thread quickly took. I sort of doubt that is what MoonDrop had in mind either? The marketing ideas sure rubbed me the wrong way, sort of like schools installing Coke machiens in every hallway. The thought of a forum for kids to foster art and ideas is not bad. The thought of a forum for use as a cash cow leaves me cold. jon

My 2 kids love using poser but they have to go through me to get any info from forums so a forum for kids gets a thumbs up from me, shame most schools have netnanny type software which stops places like 'rosity dead.

Nope, thats not what I mean at all. There's enough free stuff around to utilize. The bottom line is a place for students for learning in an environment created by them. The marketing/advertising is part of the site overall anyway. That's what funds it. Everyone has the freedom to choose what to buy or not. (coke and pesi is physically addictive) But the fostering of art ideas is highest on my list too. I guess I just want this for my daughter. I wish I would have had all this creative software and content when I was her age. No I had to take accordian lessons. (shaking terribly now) I absolutly have nothing monetarily to gain through this. I was just pointing out what benefits there would be for everyone in the community. But your right, that should not be the push. Certainly emphasis should be placed on raw/fun knowledge Personally I would rather see kids/teens eventually gain the skills to model their own stuff. I do think it would be okay to offer parents/children some interesting options. Dwarfs, Gnomes, Elves, Fairys, etc from vendors but very reasonably priced. Maybe even a DAZ like discount. Sorry you took it this way. I'd rather see it operate in the purest sense too but on the otherhand there needs to be motivation for Renderosity to include a new audience. If they will do this as added value to their existing clients then all the better. Sorry istro I didn't meant to come across so capitalistic. Really what I'm looking for is dialogue here. Renderosity, the parents and kids/teens should flesh out all the details. I just think it is a wonderful idea. PS I too am dead against Coke and Pepsi in schools too for exactly the same reasons as well as serious health issues as well. I don't think we can go wrong with fostering creativity though. I'm also dead against corporate rule. Corps and their greed, is in my opinion, what is ruining our world; politically, environmentaly, health just to name a few of the problems.

Hmmm this is interesting! My daughter (15yrs) is a new Poser user and has been very frustrated at the lack of a place to go to to share with other "younger users". I don't let her come to Renderosity because I really don't think it is a little unsavoury for kids, as far as I am concerned. I would re-think this if there were a decent forum that is properly monitored.

Exactly! I think I'll go ahead an try to make this happen then! Any one have any suggestions about this please make yourself heard( well in this case seen).

I've gone ahead and contacted the admin. here to see if we can get the ball rolling on this. I'll let you know how things shape up. The more input, the better. Talk to your kids, see what they think, after all its for them.

I think this to be a good idea as well. As far as unsavory, I'm not sure where you are from Diandra, but what "kids" are up to these days leaves even my liberal mind in shock....they are way beyond your willdest comprehension..sexually, physically, and so forth....they are sure not little angels as maybe we were :) The clothes we see here on Renderosity..on Vic, Staxx , etc are almost mild from what I've seen worn by teenage girls even AT school. Not all, but many. As far as a forum for teens, a great idea....they need somewhere to share their thoughts, artistic abilities and creativity..amongst their peers. The only down side I see, and I'm sorry for even bringing this part of it up..how many pervs are going to know these are teens and start the stalking stuff and all that...

There was one at one time, but I can't remember if it was here or at 3DCommune. It was specifically geared to young people and was called something like "School Days" or something. I'd forgotten all about it until now. I don't even know if it still exists. I never look at any of the forums besides the regular Poser ones here and at 3DC. Melanie

Dave i agree the pervert thing is a concern which is why we would need some good mods aware of the situation. Good comment!

We have a "Schools Out" forum at the 3DCommune designed specifically for younger artists. www.3dcommune.com Tom

Melanie.. it was at commune.. I am not sure but i think it's still there.

It's still there and could use some support. 8 ) Tom

Attached Link: http://www.3dcommune.com/3d/forum.mv?Schools_Out+tms+1034518210

Yes, the Forum is non-application specific. I need to get a good active moderator in there too. liteluvr became a store admin and doesn't have the time to commit to it as he did before. Tom

Dave / Lapis, I'm concerned at the semi adult content here in the galleries that the kids would be seeing. The real issue is that folks forget to check the nudity button, or on some occasions, take a less than conservative approach to that tool. So, instead of filtering out the gallery stuff that's marked, and taking a chance that images will not be filtered because of forgetfulness, perhaps there can be a button that marks the images as safe for all ages. The kids log on can automatically filter everything that isn't so marked in the galleries. As for the forums, yeah, watchfulness from the mods.

I think this thread is missing the mark a little. Protecting lids from "innapropriate" content is only ha;f the basttle. Th efact is that teenagers and pre-adolescents have always had a bunch of interests and issues to deal with that are partly sexual in nature. What they need is not a censored adult forum, but something that really addresses THEIR needs, concerns and issues! For example, a few years back I ran across a really neat site for teenage girls which addressed the concerns of that age group amd was being supplied to porn sites as the "click here if you are under 18" banner. Unfortunately there was no equivalent for young men. I don't know if it is still in business, but it seems to me to be the right flavour of thing to do. Perhaps an interested/concerned parent could start such a forum here? It would lilely need some guidance and policing, if only to keep the predators out, but it seems like this could be a positive way to address th eissue!

Oh, yes, Schools Out, that was it. I just couldn't remember if it was for Poser or what. There are websites specifically for children all over the net, with games and puzzles, educational things, etc. So, why shouldn't there be a Poser site for the younger artists in the community. I think it would be a great place for kids to learn a skill and share their talent. There are a lot of kids with unbelievable talent. They could have their own gallery where they can show off their work without having to wade through some of the adult-oriented images in the regular gallery. Melanie

Is there a way to moderate the images being uploaded? That would keep anything over the edge out of sight. The content would vary with age I think....about 14 and up are into some pretty wild stuff...and it goes even younger...so, as a parent, or concerned adult, I think heavily moderated, which would be ascertained as censorship by the teens, wouldn't play very well. We suffer the same thing...we don't like strong moderated forums for the most part...especially as it pertains to artistic content, nor do we want our art moderated... Suppose if the forum were set up for the real tame artists, it may fly....but I foresee some kids pretty heavily entertained with the nude possibilities...I may be wrong

You bring up some good points as usual Dave. Please everyone, let's keep the ideas comming in. I have hopefully got the attention of Renderosity administration and together we should be able to come up with something. Doesn't mean that it has to be set in stone, just a starting point that everyone can agree on. I think its essential the kids help create their "place"(within reason of course). This idea deserves our attention and I thank those of you who have participated thus far. If this flys you should all be very proud.

As a parent of two (nearlly teens) I'd say maybe create a forumn for the kids as has been done at the commune, where they can chit-chat and what not about things that interest them, but then let them frequent the other forumns, just like you would...teach them well, and they wont be shocked...My kids have been through the forumns and galleries here with me quite often...they used to ask me why folks didnt bother to finish thier pictures(when they had naked renders up...my kids dont consider it complete without clothing)If they run across something extremelly vulgar I'll hear an EWWWWWWWW! from the other side of the room...Lets face it, kids will find a way to look at what ever they want to look at, monitor them, or teach them well enough that you trust them to monitor themselves...They dont want to be restricted, they just want knowledge, knowledge is power after all...I'd be more interested in hearing the kids input on this though honestlly, rather than the parents before moving foward with a forumn...Ask your youngsters what they think of the idea!...I'll ask my own tomorrow :)

there's quite a lot of classical art at the Louvre that is technically 'adult material', and I wouldn't hesitate to bring children there at all. The week I was in Paris last year, seemed quite a lot of parents had the same opinion as me. I think this question of nudity is pretty laughable, when I see kids and adults frolicking at the seashore nude in Europe, with no apparent ill effect. Yes I'd bring kids to see the Venus de Milo and the Hermaphrodite, as well as many other famous Greek and Roman sculptures, along with the priceless collection of paintings which also liberally depict the nude human form, and I'm sure the children will survive the experience unscathed, as untold numbers of children do every year on school trips. :-) now something I can tell you from personal experience - is online places labelled 'teen' or 'kids' often attract predators that pose as kids. Yes I've seen horror stories firsthand. I'm more worried about that than I am about kids seeing a nude poser model, and I think mods should be more concerned about that than about simple nudity. I could care less about nude poser models. I see nude Poser models as something like virtual Barbies, anyway. Kids aren't any more hurt by seeing nude Barbie or Ken than they are by seeing nude Vic or Mike. The TOS here at R'osity is quite enough to ban any art that is 'over the edge' for teenagers. If people don't use the nudity tag - then complain. I always use the nudity tag on my work containing the unclothed human form here. Your kids may just turn that flag off - but that's your job as a parent to deal with. Not R'osity's job.

maybe there's a way to use the registration for rosity to moderate who can enter the under15's forum, some places I've registered ask for your dob, surely it can be programmed into the forum to check the age of a person trying to enter a forum, when they are over 15 it stops them, of course it still leaves it open to a person lying about their age, but saying you're under 15 would also stop you from going into the more adult forums.

Circle, you stated that you have two kids. If you don't mind, could you ask them what they think the site could be all about? I'll do the same with my daughter and I encourage anyone else to do the same. After I have established contact with Renderosity management on this whole idea I'll repost, maybe even a couple times to get as much feedback as possible! If we're going to do this...let's do it right!

will do :)

I hope a kids sight would be run the right way.Not full of ads saying,"Kids,get mommy and daddy to send lotsa money to us and tell them to buy Poser5,it's bug free!!!"..........LOL.Just a thought.

The whole nudity thing is pretty mute since if they are playing with poser to begin with they load up a nude model every time they begin a project...Unless of course you've deleted all the nude models for them and left them with the p4 clothed figures (poor kids :() Montior vulgarity yes...no highlly detailed genital shots for the kids, you know the ones I'm talking about! My kids think it'd be great to be able to talk to people thier own age without fear of perverts and what not, restricting all adults from the kids forumn wouldnt be a good idea as most kids can't answer technical questions for other kids...The trick is to get some really good moderators in there to watch out for jerks...shouldnt be to hard to spot them...Honestlly more often than not I set my kids up with my birthdate year rather than their own on line...I trust them to make the right choices, and schools these days(at least around here) pound into thier little brains about what is and is not appropriate internet behavior...

Currently I am working on lesson plans for public school instructors to teach Poser to students in the middle school grades (grades 6-8). When I am finished, kupa has stated that he will make the files available on the CL web site. Perhaps a "student-only" chat room might be a good idea at CL, if kupa goes along with it. I know that my students would love to share their ideas and techniques with other like-minded students. - scara