Any word on Poser 5 for Macintosh? I'm considering using my upgrade path to get the Windows version as Poser 5 looks so cool. Anyone have any stats on the number of Poser Mac users versus Windows users?

I don't have any news at all. But I'd wait... Why one should buy a windoze version if he/she works on a mac? Speaking of myself I'll wait. While following sveral threads it looks like there ar still some bugs within the win version of Poser 5. So Ill better wait for a mac version which doesn't have these bugs. ;) Let the mac-vs-peecee-flaming begin ;oP

I think there are issues with Apple and getting important bits of OSX code--yet another case of Apple shooting itself in the foot. I say this as a dedicated (and often frustrated) Mac user, since 1993.

I thought Darwin, the basis of Mac OsX is open source ? Karl

Darwin is based on BSD and is open source, but Aqua (the GUI) and other parts of OSX are not. That's what CL has to be directing their programming towards. You can write a cool 'Unix' app as long as you know C and Darwin's kernel commands, but Aqua and other OSX code requires information from Apple (as Mosca states). Kuroyume

"yet another case of Apple shooting itself in the foot" Do keep in mind that other software companies seem to do just fine. In light of developments since the release of P5, I'm not so sure I believe that that's the reason for the delay. We all know that the current dev team at CL isn't very strong on the Mac end of things. Not saying that's the case, but CL hasn't exactly inspired a lot of confidence lately. - Hiram, Mac user, skeptic, but I want to believe.

Yeah, I definitely don't get the sense that P5 Mac is at the top of CL's list of things to do today. Only four things about it that really interest me, anyway--the hair room, the render engine (though I guess it's slow as molasses), direct file export to Vue (supposedly), and the fact that it's going to be OSX native. Assuming they ever get around to releasing it. If not, fine--I'm still having lots of fun w/ P4. Frankly, I'm more excited about Vicky 3.

Yep. CL is definitely backlogged wrt fixing P5 and getting "Content Paradise" to be something other than a desert wasteland. :) The FF renderer is irritatingly slow, even on a super-fast machine with oodles of memory. I'll be using C4D or LW for rendering and stick with P4PP for export to other 3D apps since P5 doesn't have any plugins yet. IMHO, you'd be better off using LW for hair and rendering and leave Poser for, well, posing and creating characters. Someone say Vicky 3? ;0P~~~ Kuroyume

If only a CL guy would reply.... Koopa, Nosfiratu? ps hopefully the title will grab their attention

One from CL has sent me an IM saying It's coming together, but we don't have a date that we can discuss yet. Lookind at the hardware needed for the other systems p5, my p5 will need to wait for the G5. Could CL be waiting for the G5? the p5

Probably won't see Poser 5 for Mac until after they've finished patching the PC version. I'll be disappointed if the yet-to-be released DAZ app turns out to be PC only. Also looking forward to Vicky 3.

Cl is still Beta tesing the PC version of poser!!! and it is NOT apple's responsibility to go out and write an OSX version of every program for every company that wants to use OSX.OSX comes with a full CD of OSX developement tools project builders and the Darwin development community is thriving. Our Beloved "Konan" of Poser to bryce fame wrote a nice clean poser morhping utility for OSX based on OPEN GL and MODERN programming code. without any excuses about Apple NOt "helping" Him. its likely alot harder for CL to take the ancient poorly documented code from the late metecreations that has new code from the face/cloth room tacked on third party modules and then make it al all mac compatible let alone ...OSX compatible. besides all modern day 3D OSX apps feature hardware graphics acceleration. open GL and protected memory(Lightwave,cinema 4DXl,MAYA). So CL has to take more time to create a 3D application(POSER-5) that will run on a UNIX based sytem BUT ignores all of the benefits of using a modern pre emptive multitasking protected memory OS. But give them time im sure they are working hard on it. -wolf359 founding member of "the 12 animators"-

I saw somewhere that the copy protection scheme wasn't Mac-compatible. Don't know much about it though. As for the numbers of Mac/PC users it's not scientific but from the few threads I remember it seemed to be around 25-30% Mac users for Poser. Last time I looked at free items that were identicle & offered as PC version & Mac version it was almost 2 to 1 (or 50% Mac downloads VS 100% PC). That also held true for Carrara downloads.

Is anyone successully running P4 in system 9 emulation mode under OSX? I uprgraded to stop the out of memory error problems in Cinema 4D (it works great now...I can do much more complex scenes and models with OSX then I could in OS9) and I have a gig of RAM, but I am unable to run P4 without restarting the machine in system 9, and even then it crashes after not too long (it was never super stable, but now it is awful....and it takes a minute or two (feels like five or ten) everytime I hit the save button so P4 is completely unviable for me at this point.) I wouldn't mind waiting so much if I were able to still use Poser in any way shape or form, and I would love to be able to just upgrade to the ProPack and use it with Cinema, but since I need OSX to run Cinema with anything as complex as a poser character, and Poser absolutely refuses to run under emulation, I am completely out of luck. What methods are other people who have switched to OSX for most of their programs using to still be able to use Poser 4?

"What methods are other people who have switched to OSX for most of their programs using to still be able to use Poser 4"

Poser 4 runs fine in Classic mode under Mac OS X, despite not being formally supported. Poser was never a "well behaved" OS 9 application anyway, and that makes it an even quirkier Classic citizen. But it works. The only oddity I've encountered is that switching away from Poser during a render is "awkward". It tries hard to pretend you're running OS 9, though I can usually manage when I fiddle. (And Poser won't refresh the window, if you switch back, until the render is done.)

Poser 4 runs fine in Classic mode under Mac OS X huh. Your're having way more luch than I am. I click on the Icon and get the error message "the application Poser 4.0 has unexpectedly quit" before it even opens. It has been that way since I upgraded to OSX. I have to actually restart in 9 to use it at all, and as I said in my last messge, it is so buggy now that I can't use it. The only thing I can think of is that I did not reinstall any of my os9 applications when I installed OSX, so if you installed poser 4 after installing OSX (or if your computer came with OSX already in place) that could explain the difference. If that is the case, let me know and I will do a reinstall. I dread taking that step since I have so much Daz and free stuff in the directories and reinstalling all (or even some) of it does not seem like a fun chore, but if it would mean I could use Poser again and potentially get the pro-pack, it would be worth it. Thanks, Troy

Hmm. I've been using Poser all along. Originally, I added Mac OS X onto an existing system, with a pre-existing Poser install. I did install Mac OS X onto a new partition rather than over the existing Mac OS 9 partition, though that "shouldn't" make any difference.

Now I'm using it on a new system that came with Mac OS X. However, I never actually "installed" Poser on it, which may or may not make a difference. I just copied the entire Poser 4 folder tree onto the new system. (I, too, wasn't willing to try to reinstall all the stuff I've accumulated over the years!)

Do you have OTHER Classic applications that are working, or do you perhaps have some more general problem with your Classic setup?

I didn't do a new partition when I put OSX on, though I did install a new OS9 system and trash the old one so that both systems would be up to date and installed together. The other classic applications I have not been able to afford to upgrade are working just fine so I don't think it is system 9 causing any more problems than it ever has. I will try backing my entire Poser folder off the machine, run norton and speed disk and so forth, then put it back on. It sounds like there is something looking for the old system 9 folder which of course isn't there anymore. Maybe pulling poser completely off and putting it back on will make behave. Thanks for the ideas, I didn't even have a tact to take for solving the problem before. Thanks for

Check the permissions on the folder containing Poser 4. If Poser can't write into the various sub-folders it has issues. The best way is to create a separate OS 9 drive or partition and turn off permission checking on that volume.