Yeah Dreamspinner, that's cool. Most, if not all of the female friends I have would rather look and play with male nudes instead of female nudes, well, there are a few lesbian friends that prefer females.

First- That picture of the little kid with a cigarette and her middle finger out needs a good spanking from her parents. Oh, wait, that's a "fairy". That's right, I forgot- if the child has wings, then it's a fairy. As for "telling a story", that foreword by Steve Cooper (in the Poser 5 manual) had me on the floor in stiches. Imagine- poeple using Poser to "tell a story"! Priceless! Take a look at the galleries here and what you do see? Naked women (and "fairies") staring blankly into space for no other reason than to stand there blankly. Some "artists" (and I use the term very loosely) don't even bother with a background- "Here's a nude lady [because I have't figured out how to use the 'Conform' menu item] in a default pose with a default textures with the default hair. Look at me, I'm at artist!" And don't get me started on the "item of the day" pictures! It seems that when someone releases the next "item of the day", everyone and his brother has to make an image of it. For one example (of many): the DAZ gorilla. After it came out, picture after picture after picture used it! Geez, enough already! Use some imagination! But, there's the key word- "imagination". Not many people seem to have it. They have the tool to make incredible pictures, but we get naked women in a fantasy setting with a dragon. Ho-hum. Why do we even bother?

BRAVO JohnRender...you hit the nail on the head or is that Vicky on the head.

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Whilst searching JohnRender's Gallery, I find: " Sorry, but no files match your search " So - since you've appointed yourself the Grand Poohbah of All That Is Art, please, show me what you think to be art. The World awaits your munificent artistic judgement... [/sarcasm] I don't mean to pick on you in particular, but so what if 10,000 people decide to post renders that show R'osity/DAZ's latest wonder-widget? I think it's kinda fun sometimes to see how a zillion folks each interpret what they think a given item should do in a render. Also, if you compare the average generic render of today with the average generic render of 5 years back, what do you see? The hum-drum renders in the galleries today, even at its worst, is still good enough that if transported back in time, Digital Blasphemy would've paid in blood to post copies of 'em. Art isn't a static thing - each aspect evolves in its own venue, after all. (Incidentally, how do YOU know that's a child in Turtle's render? Please, point it out, step by step.) Thx, /P

I guess you're having a slight imagination dry spell then JohnRender because I don't see any images in your gallery. ;) If everyone would try doing less complaining and more creating, this would be a much more friendly and interesting place. Whining about how the galleries never change won't help change them. Either do different or do better. SnowS

What I have learned thus far from this thread.

1. Don't say bad things about any art posted to the gallery, no matter what you think of it or how it might compare to anything else that might be considered art.

2. Naked women get more hits than naked men, and in general naked anything gets more hits than not.

3. Fairies can have attitude.

4. There are some great artist here that only seem to get discovered when someone mentions them and post a link to their Gallery.

5. Everyone here is a great artist. Even the ones who do not have anything posted in the Galleries.

6. Artist who get lots of hits are resented by artist who get few hits, because apparantly their popularity is not based on talent but on cliques, and naked vickies, and other factors that discriminate against the rest of us.

7. Popularity or number of hits seems to be the indicator by which art work is measure, judged, or given approval. So, if you do not get lots of hits, your art work is lacking somehow. Which some have pointed out should not be the case, and others have strongly indicated that it is not relevent.

8. The Hot 20, Dr. Legume, some Artists here, probably me, and maybe you - piss some folks off.

Did I miss anything?

Shadownet, "6) Artist who get lots of hits are resented by artist who get few hits, because apparantly their popularity is not based on talent but on cliques, and naked vickies, and other factors that discriminate against the rest of us." EXACTLY correct altho many of people will disagree with you one this but it's absolutely true. Cliques are like that as we all know, not admitting truth when everone else around them sees it.

Just so those who get a casual glance of the bookmark poster's name above and think it is me, it is not. I am Mehndi, not Meandhi.

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You guys are just soooo f*kkin' funny! I just love this place! Some of you people are just too serious.;-) I have quite a few renders posted. (take a look I love gettin' the hits..LOL) Some of them are just nudes. I'd like ta think they're art. Being a "paid" graphic artist doesn't mean I get to do what I want AND get paid for it. Here is where I post the stuff that I like to do. I like the attention, the occasional comment, after all what is art without an audience... even if it's only yourself. Doing a nekkid Vic in a temple with a sword is simple, that's why it gets done. Hopefully the people doing them will learn and produce more interesting pics. If it upsets you so much put a petition together to add "Nudes" and "faeries" to the Galleries.

Are there still people who look at the top 20? Yeah, there's cliques in the galleries. There's cliques in the forum-- you and I are participating in one right now-- the let's bash nude Vicki-- oh yeah, and nude Mike while we're at it-- clique. So boring. If you don't like a picture in the forum, you have the option, if given by the artist, to say so. More than that, you have the larger option to make a better one. Three guesses what I think is the best critique of art. One more comment-- the slamming a picture because it has a naked woman in it and no reason for her to be naked-- that's called a nude in art terms, it's a genre, it may be executed in a shitty style, but it's a legitimate genre. And the only one, barring Bison picts, that's been around literally forever. Nudes will outlast us, that's a given. If they don't, well, a world that hates the human body that much won't be worth living in anyway. Emily

<< naked anything gets more hits than not>> Hmm..., my most viewed image has no nudity at all, whereas my most recent nude has stranded at some 170 views or thereabout. I guess I must be doing something terribly wrong here ;-)

My biggest hits are for graphics making fun of Poser 5. No nudes. One temple. Sometimes the theme is more important than the presentation.

Heya roobol, obviously you are the exception to the rule on that one! I mean, everyone else says it is so, so it must be so, right? That's why I summed it up the way I did. :O) Oh, but you sort of qualify for #4 since I was not familiar with your art work prior to this post. Very nice. I have added you to my favorite artist list. I was of course being facetious with my list. So long as there are artist, there will be artistic temperament. I am ROFLMA at just how hot and bothered some folks can get over someone stating what is to them a negative comment about art in general. :O) This started with a simple Title and comment: "I'm getting a bit tired of the Poser galleries...Like 90-95% of the pictures are of just a naked woman with maybe perhaps a nice background these days. But it's worth is when you see those truly original pictures." I say shame on Whatthe for daring to have a personal opinion. So, now, 116 posts later... (hey that's more hits than some of my pictures get, lol!) Nobody else can see the humor in this? I guess I am just plain sick.

" And the only one, barring Bison picts, that's been around literally forever." How about... NUDE BISON! Woo-Hoo! I think women and animal paintings have been around roughly the same amount of time, 'cept back then, the female representations made Voluptuous Vicky look like a flat-chested schoolgirl. Some female-shaped fertility fetishes had more than two breasts as well... Anyone for a 1,000-breasted Ceres waving a sword in a greek temple? (ugh... where would she ever find a bra that fits?) /P

Yeah but Snowsultan would have to do it since it would definitely be a picture worth 1001 words. :O)

Heya shadownet, thanks for the compliment; my most recent nude is now at 173 viewings (very large grin). But to be honest, I only use poser for draft versions; for the final render I prefer real models. You know, the ones that actually talk back when you say something to them ;-)

Well, if I could get real models I wouldn't be using Poser as much either. Great work, just the same. Oh, you can probably bump up the number of hits you get if you move it to the Poser Gallery. From what I'm told, people there go in for that sort of thing. :O)

"Well, if I could get real models I wouldn't be using Poser as much either." Hell, if I could get real girls I wouldn't be using Poser at all. Just kidding. I can get dates. Really.

I think the term "Artist" gets thrown around Way Too much nowadays. We should start using more specific terms:

I would have to say that rendering pictures in Poser does NOT make you an Artist. For example, anyone can use a camera, but does that make you a "Photographer"? Not really. If my 5 year old cousin uses her "Crayola Crayon" picture creater to create pictures on the computer does that mean She's an Artist? No.

For those of you who create soley in Poser, I would actually consider you more of a "3D Compositor" or "3D Designer" (One who creates a composition or a design). You are basically composing a picture from existing objects. But, if you created the figures yourself, then I'd consider you a "3D Modeler".

If you use Poser to create a base for you to bring into a painting program where you actually use some painting skill to "Enhance" the final artwork, then your more of a "Postwork Designer" or maybe even a "Technical Designer".

There has got to be a better/more specific way to describe what you are doing because there is no way you can lump all artists in one group. I mean, come on, can you really compare the work of Van Gogh to someone who clicks a "Character" button, clicks a "Pose" button, clicks a "Light" button, then clicks the "Render" button?????

Yes, you can. But is it a fair comparison? That is the real question. If Van Gogh had Poser would he have used it? Is Poser an artistic tool or a cheat for wannabees?

Oh boy, so according to DarthMarklar, I'm a 3D Compositor with Postwork and Technical Design skills! Maybe I can tack Photoshop Clone Technician, Tablet and Stylus Operator and Multiple Masking Layer Consultant on there too. :) I can't say that I agree with specific titles depending on your artistic skill. A kid who's practicing boxing after school and Lennox Lewis aren't in the same league either, but they're both boxers. Yeesh, why does everyone have to make things so difficult? "Yeah but Snowsultan would have to do it since it would definitely be a picture worth 1001 words. :O)" Oh no, I'm not touching that one. ;) SnowS

"There has got to be a better/more specific way to describe what you are doing" Having fun with a CG art program and sharing the results. Is that specific enough? /P

An artist doesn't need to list thier tools (a painter doesn't need to say "Brush Specialist"). How about if I downloaded images from the web and resaved them as NEW jpegs in Photoshop? Does that make me an artist??? I mean, I used Photoshop.

I think the issue I was trying to make was, there's got to be a difference between a "person creating art on a computer" and an "artist working on a computer".

A kid who's practicing boxing after school and Lennox Lewis aren't in the same league either, but they're both boxers

This may be true, but if I own a pair of boxing gloves, does that make me a boxer? Those are the people I'm talking about, the ones who claim to be something because they own the tools. How many of you know someone who thinks they're a computer whiz, but they can barely even turn on thier system?

Having fun with a CG art program and sharing the results.

I've attached a pencil drawing I did over 10 years ago...I think they look pretty good considering I didn't have a computer.

"An artist doesn't need to list thier tools " I know, I was being sarcastic. :) "This may be true, but if I own a pair of boxing gloves, does that make me a boxer?" No, but if you actually used them to box, whether professionally or for exercise, I'd call you a boxer. That's what I meant, both Rembrandt and the guy who makes a nude Vicky in a temple with preset everything are artists; one's just more technically skilled than the other. And yes, your image is very nice. :) SnowS

I agree, nice pic. Don't necessary carry the "artist" argument as far as you, but I do think that we all tend to make a distinction in our own mines as to what is art and who is an artist in our opinion. To go more Zen on you, I look at it like this: "there is a way to all things. When one learns the way they are no longer merely a practitioner of an artform but have become an artist."

Okay, where's the spell check. Minds not mines. Not unless you are hunting gold or silver and trying to decide which ore to go with. errrrr. blasted cursed no spell checking thing mumble mumble....

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=271239

This is just so stupid... artists are people who create... it doesnt matter what medium you use, may it be oil paints, water colors,a pencil,a crayon, or a computer, or like my husband who makes the programs some of us use .....I've painted walls, drawn with a pencil(great for shadows),done stencils(kinda cheating)...I like fantasy best cuz anything goes, if you havent seen it, it can happen in a picture... the point is___ if you want to limit the posts, or stop the fairy posts or stop any posts......you will never see perhaps some post that may show you how,why,what, or just plain make you laugh, or cringe even P.S. also perhaps if you wish to view the net in its full glory.....get DSL or Cable sorry if your country doesnt have that P.S.S. here's some of my favorite artists right now try a search for hobbit, or turtle(who I dont think has ever done a nekid little fairy) (so her post was very apt, wasn't your 12 year old daughter giving the finger, was no one REAL), duh was art, like it or not ;)