The Renderosity's member artists (We are Guests, we all know, it is the only things we are ? We artists of this site are making make this site & Company EXIST and be famous, if not rich !). Then, they MUST have the right to decide with the ADms if the TOS is right or not, or maybe change it ? Why not elections if they ae not like FLA ones ??? Who's ready to fight this cause with me ? Thanks for answering

uh... which answering?

What's your proposed change to the TOS, -Klaus? We can't agree with you if we don't know what you're talking about.

I think the basic premise is a "revolution" by the artists to get on equal grounds with the admins in determining the way the site is run. Unfortunately, "He who holds the keys to the kingdom makes the rules." I do not believe that this is something that can be "forced" onto R'osity, just an attitudinal change that the admins would have to make for themselves. In a perfect world, or my vision of one anyway, all voices would be treated as equals. However, this does not always apply to the online "reality" as it may in real life.

A few things to keep in mind: 1) Most of the admins and all of the mods were members here long before "coming into power." 2) Most of the TOS rules were put into place due to member requests and complaints. Only a few are business decisions. (The rule about no linking to adult sites was a business decision because the owners of the site decided those links went against the direction the site owners wanted for Rendie.) 3) This is a privately owned site. Yes, it is partially paid for by members purchasing products, but ultimiately it is a private site and the owners can do as they please. I know they try very hard to follow the members' wishes as much as possible while keeping the site viable. 4) If you have specific suggestions for modifying the TOS, it works best if you post those suggestions instead of generically asking for a plebiscite. What areas do you think need a site member vote? Deciding who will administrate the site? Who will be mods in the forums? What threads get locked? Who gets a warning or a time out for rude behavior? Think of the time involved in getting everyone to participate, setting a time frame for everyone to lodge a vote, etc. For many areas, it's simply not viable. Again, give concrete suggestions on what could be improved and your ideas will be looked at. If they're workable and would improve the site, they'll be implemented. We're always looking for ways to make this site better. Cheers!

Not to mention that the specific mangling of English looks extremely familiar... this person may be an individual with a vested interest in making it harderto ban individuals.

This is what happens when you give people a voice. They use it to jump down your throat. ;-)

Maybe Klaus wants to change the TOS so it will allow malcontents to attack various nationalities or religions and not get banned. But then I could be wrong, after all I'm no psychic.

"Why not elections if they ae not like FLA ones " Strange as it may seem, but as a Floridian that comment kinda pisses me off. It gets old, hearing about it. My county in Florida had no troubles whatsoever, and I myself understood the ballot and executed my right to vote just fine, thank you very much. I, too, think I "hear" a familiar "voice" in the initial post here. Anyhow, R'osity's gonna do whatever R'osity's gonna do and that's the way it's gonna stay. As a former mod; As someone who actually did once have a voting voice in the running of this site, I can say that sometimes it was democratic and sometimes dictatorial when it came to changes. When it comes to TOS, which was the most voted-on subject, it will not be determined by anyone but the staff, but mostly the PTB. Actually, the actual terms were not really determined by vote anywhere near as much as the wording of those terms. It's a democracy where it comes to content, but policy is the site owners' deal. And if you think about it, that's how it should be. The only complaint I ever had was what was not being told to the members....

On websites, the Admin is God. If a person can't live with that, then they need to find a new universe.

Not directed at you, Mike.

People already can libel specific relgions here without fear of being banned, right? If not, why are exceptions being made? Are some religions OK to attack, and not others? Any official clarification would be appreciated. By the way, I'm not advocating banning for this sort of thing. I advocate free speech and deplore censorship. It does surprise me, however, that Renderosity allows some of what it allows, while curtailing certain other things.

If you've talking about a religion where they decree death sentences for people who say something they don't like, you should question that. But we shouldn't attack it here. We have to leave that to the guys with the aircraft carriers, cruise missiles and smart bombs, and concentrate on enjoying this site for the good resources here.

Actually I'm from Florida too and our county also voted without any problems (everyone understood the ballot, etc...). I agree with MikeJ, please stop blaming all of Florida for the two or three counties that became famous over their problems.

As to the TOS, yes it's true, that the artists make the site, but it's also true that the admins make the site for the artists, so it's a give and take. But like in anything, someone has to steer the ship, and mass voting to steer that ship never works, because the ship would crash into something and sink before a decision could be reached.

Renderosity has made some good decisions and some bad ones, but they are only human and it is quite a job (both financially and from a personnel/equipment standpoint) to keep a site like this running. I think all in all, they've done a great job of keeping the "ship" on an even keel and do try to listen to the users whenever possible...

ShadowWind

"Renderosity artists" If anyone ever wondered what an oxymoron is; now you know.

1."The only complaint I ever had was what was not being told to the members.... " There you go. Secrecy tends to breed paranoia. A lot of little fires here could have been averted if the Admins had been more open about stuff that was going on. Why do even small business behave like they're the freakin' CIA? 2."please stop blaming all of Florida for the two or three counties that became famous over their problems." Well, you guys elected Jeb Bush, right? 'Nuff said. 3."People already can libel specific relgions here without fear of being banned, right? If not, why are exceptions being made? Are some religions OK to attack, and not others?" Really? Which ones? Where do I sign up? Technically, you can only libel a person, not a belief or an institution. And what constitutes an attack? 4.""Renderosity artists" If anyone ever wondered what an oxymoron is; now you know." whomp...! whomp...! whomp...!

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[ "Renderosity artists" If anyone ever wondered what an oxymoron is; now you know. ] balls

It seems rather unintelligent that someone who has stated, ad nauseam, that "there is no 'real' art" here would continue to come here and continually reiterate that point. I should think a more valuable usage of time would be achieved if a site that contained "real art" was found and contributed to.

She counted how many times the "f---" word appeared in the galleries and forums (as she detailed in the Poser forum) Seems like a valuable investment of time to me. Actually, the solution seems so simple. There are still free and inexpensive places around where one can start their own art gallery with none of the restrictions of the Renderosity site. I'm not clear on why people who are unhappy simply don't post to their own website? A lot of other people do and I've seen postings in the forum announcing a new graphic posted outside of Renderosity so I'm assuming that's okay. So why don't the people who find the graphics here lacking in artistic integrity set up their own websites and show us what we are missing out on because of the Renderosity rules??? Or is that just too easy a solution?

Perhaps if they looked outside their own gallery they might find some "real art" just a suggestion.

Tisa, please explain to me why art is only defined as shock art, which I imagine a chick with a dick in your latest image is intended to be? To me, it's far more artistic to create a vision like Toxic Angel or Hobbit does, but that's the beauty of art. We all have our opinion of what it is. Slighting the artists here because you don't particularly like a different genre than what you consider art is very narrow minded. I know that you would not agree probably that fantasy art is art, but when I came here, I was very narrow minded about only finding good fantasy art, but after being here a year, I've found that my tastes and understanding for other genres has grown so much, and I realize that it's important for an artist to respect other mediums even though they may or may not like a particular picture or even genre. I agree with CyberStretch, why not find a more compatible site that better fits your idea of art, than spitting your venom on those that reside here. Would seem a better way to spend your time, or do you enjoy being the center of controversy? Course controversy I guess makes for "real art", so that would make sense I suppose. Geesh... ShadowWind

Mosca, Not fond of Jeb Bush either, but we wouldn't be the first state to vote for someone that may or may not have been right for the state. If that was the case, we'd probably have to make fun of all of the states... :) ShadowWind

True--I shouldn't talk. Somehow we ended up with rapacious capitalist Mitt Romney, otherwise known as "Plasticman." Yikes.

Maybe Mitt will be the P6 (if there ever is one) default dork? ;0)

If so, they wouldn't have to upgrade the P4 dork much at all. Though he looks more like Dan Quayle, really.