Dave-so: still trying to get that number at Fortress CP to answer. But thanks.

Puntomaus: I need to know if there is a printed manual in the UPGRADE box from Fortress CP. And your comment about only those who ordered last year throws me into worse confusion.Are you sure? The webpage says

**Poser 7 Now Available!
Order Now and get the 6 Month Passport FREE!

** **$129 for previous users

Starlet: Do you know if the Passport is available in the UPGRADE bought at Fortress CP only, or from e-frontier directly.

Major question is Fortress CP shipping boxed upgrades now?

Another major question is still how does one get past the moats and walls given that they seem to have pulled up the drawbridge? What kind of service is this. It comes across badly.**

The new format seems clumsy. Hard to get used to. Slow.

I wonder if the slowness has something to do with all the little pictures, which seem unnecessary in any event. But I suspect that isnot the only problem.

Kevin Phillips, one of the top political analysts wrote that in composing his latest book I think Dynasty, he came to realize that for the first time in American history the head of State and effectively the head of a major party was also the de facto head of a religious movement. That is, W was more a head of the religious right at the time Phillips was writing than were Robertson, Folwell, Reed etc. And he has been payint them off if you will note. For example funneling a lot of the public assistance money through the Churches, etc. You may have read that it got so bad in the case of programs to teack young people to abstain rather than give them sex education, that some courts somewhere determined that the money was in effect being used for evangelical work. Lots of other examples. Well they are a big part of his base and he owes them, if nothing else.

Imckenzie: Yes the leaders have been working for nothing less than a cultural revolution.

One of the most distubing things is that if you read their literature they recommend stealth tactics. They say people are so brainwashed by liberals that they would not understand our (their) agenda if we (they) discussed it openly. So we (their followers)should focus on "hot button" tax issues, abortion, sex, crime, etc.to mobilize people. It is obvious that this is what they are doing but this is also what they write in their own publications. It makes sense in terms of subversive strategy, but it flies in the face of democracy.

The idea of free speech and assembly is so that people can lay out their thoughts so that these can be discussed by everyone. But these people are snippers who try to stay hidden so that they can take over an unsuspecting population, and they dupe a lot of good people into being followers. It is very troubling.

Your quote from Kennedy is the sort of thing that one can find if one digs. These are the elite with the money, organizational skills, psyop know-how, and important connections. Thank you for helping to let others know about this sneaky attack on our democratic institutions and personal freedoms.

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Attached Link: http://www.fepproject.org/fepp/aboutfepp.html

This thread got me curious and I did some poking on the web and ran across a site from the New York University School of law that has a lot of interesting information in it on censorship and art. http://www.fepproject.org/fepp/aboutfepp.html

I also ran across one that talks about something I had never heard of before called the Communications Decency Act, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Decency_Act The author of the site is arguing that these British images that he likes would be violations of the US CDA. I do not agree or disagree with him, but I am simply passing this on because some of you are interested in this issue and may want to consider his views. http://www.mindworkshop.com/alchemy/indcnt.html

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Attached Link: http://www.caedefensefund.org/

Imakenzi: No doubt there is some very dark stuff going on these days about art and the culture wars back in the US. Maybe the case of an art professor who was arrested on a "bioterrorisim" charge that turned into a quite unrelated pettty matter that is still being pursused as a felony will interest some of you. See the Critical Art Ensemble website http://www.caedefensefund.org/ This guy was preparing an art construction critical of biotech and it involved some pieces of lab equipt. Well, if you are interested read the details yourself. The point is that the folks just might not be crazy who suspect that the reason that the government is spending so much of our tax money to prosecute the guy is that they want to intimidate artists from challenging administration values and goals. Maybe it was even a test case to start out with, and then when that fell through they did not want to let up. I don't know, of course. But this is certainly one to watch.

Kendra: Why s/he used a European painter,you would have to ask the web artist! I only ran across this and thought it made a statement and was worth a laugh. I did not make it. Now do I understand you? I will venture a guess but it is only a guess. I imagine that the website used it because it is a great work of art and there are many splendid paintings of Maria lactans showing a naked breast and Jesus as a biologically intact boy, and other naked boys (like John the Babtist) or angels around them. These hang proudly in museums and churches all over Europe and are treasured. (actually the reason I was searching on the web is that I had seen so many of them here and especially from the Renaissance and late medieval that I was trying to find out if there was a trend over time. They are a genre.) While in the US John Ashcroft had them cover the naked breasts of the statue of Justice. That really maked us look silly and backward to Europeans. And personally I think that it is silly (and sitting here in Europe even embarassing in principle)that Poser children and animals come without genitals, presumably because of fears about the political activists and trends in the US.Not because they make better art models.To me biolgically disfigured models look disturbing as would humans without noses, or dogs without ears.

Kendra. You don't have to assume it is a satire. I said it was a spoof and the text in quotes is too exaggerated to take seriously in any event. Humor is difficult to explain to someone who does not "get it." I think you really have to know the person to try to figure out why they don't get it. And I don't know you, so I can't say much more. Sorry. Humor is a lot like art. Not every piece of art will resonate with every viewer. I will comment that the fact that artist of the altered painting was European is not relevant for most of us, because such a disfigured painting would normally be seen as "Western art" and part of the heritage of English and other European language-speaking countries. Hence some of us see it as a statement about art in a general sense. The hysteria about art seems to be largely a US phenomenon, and I put that in so as not to leave the impression that there is a general hysteria about various types of art. I don't know if this helps or not. Sorry.

Good points Jimdoria.

"I'm curious where the "US" part comes into what you've posted?" Europeans tend to think that the effots of the religious right in the US to make sex into a political issue over the last many decades (most aggressively since perhaps the mid 1970s) is very strange. They tend not to see it as the development of "magnet issues" by demagogues to get the population stirred up, and distract them from more important socioecoinomic issues, but rather as a sort of hysteria inherent in the American character. I guess I see it as a sort of hysteria in any event, whether it is really grass-roots, or whether the nation has been manipulated successfully in the cuture wars. People over here certainly don't want paedophia, or rape, or VD, but they don't by and large get hysterical about sex or try to blame complex social problems on sexual immorality. I am not saying that there are not individuals, and perhaps some communities and churches that get hysterical, but in general people's minds are not fixated on such things and they find the situation in the US bewildering. "My god, in the US you can't even change your clothes on a public beach!!" "You can't kiss babies anymore." True or not is not the point, that is the impression that is being left with travelers etc. and where there is smoke there is fire. What is going on in the US is certainly different from what is going on in Europe and I think Canada. They tell me that the age of consent, with some reasonable qualifications, is 14 in Catholic Italy, 15 in Orthodox Greece, and 13! in Spain, 16 Switzerland, and Germany etc. Look at this chart, and the US states are at the bottom. No state are down to 15 or 13! http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm I am an American and would have been uncomfortable with the low ages of consent before I started living in Europe. But what I see are tight families and well-raised generally mature children. People I talk with feel that they can trust their offspring to make mature decisions at those ages, and I can see why they feel that way. Believe me, their advertising and TV shows etc are every bit as sleazy as ours (many of them are ours), so the kids are by no means protected from knowing about sex!! Of course Muslim countries tend to be concerned about sex and nudity. I am not sure what is going on in Latin America or Africa or Asia. So I am thinking in terms of the US relative to the other Western industrialized countries.

I love the quote too. I tried to track it down, and so far as I can tell it comes from something called "God in the dock."

packled,that may have little to do with nudity and more to do with tgrying to keep tight control over employees. Germans are notorious for keeping to business etc. Here I am living in Germany and there are naked breasts in the newspaper every day, and you should see the ads on late night television!!! They go on and on and show just about everything you could imagine. I'm not saying I like this, but it is their culture and I am trying to better understand it. It works for them, and the streets feel pretty darned safe. The families seem tight and loving.

I really am trying to figure all this nervousness about sex is about in the US when I walk out my door here in Europe, past all these centuries of anatomical honesty. If God gave you a child without genitalia, I doubt that anyone reading this would be grateful. And yet there is surely at least one person out there who is grateful that the DAZ babies do not have genitalia. I am sure that people exist who believe that if poser children (and even animals!!) were biologically correct then there would be more paedophilc priests and so on. So they feel a special right to try to restrict other people's freedoms. Personally, I am throughly repulsed and sickened by the sexual and other ways in which children too often get mistreated in our society. But I don't believe that this can be corrected by keeping their genitalia (or the genitalia of animals!!)out of sight!! Assuming that it can just seems irrational and hysterical. Moreover it seems too lazy to study, and also suggests people whoare fearful of looking more deeply into our institutions and ways of life, and the nature of political movements. The naked Manneken Pis or "pissing little boy" has been a symbol of Brussels since 1619. I would be very surprised to learn that there is more paedophia in "Brussels than in Boston. This is by no means my own personal idea of cute, but Europeans seem to think it is cute rather than something that might trigger immorality. This sort of thing suggests to me that there is some deeper problem in our society and that being nervous about genitals on meshes and the imaginary immages of artists who are struggling to keep up with computers is not being willing to think about the deeper social issues.

Thanks bastblack, I checked it out and from what I saw I would want more realism. I could do it myself if I could get regular David morphs in. If this is possible, I just can;t figure out what I am doing wrong. Or is it not possible?

Let me add to my frustrated comments on the thread about problems with Content Paradise. I just now got a call from Mary and she suspects that my server is filtering out the e-mail from them to me. I very much appreciate this effort to work out the problem. From her end, she set the password verification for me and I have already tested it and downloaded a file. So we are working on it and from my end I need to call my server tomorrow and see if that is the case so that I can get e-mails from them in the future. Thanks Mary.