Cool! And about time!

I reloaded the Bryce 5 Trial version. And sure enough, there's a gazillion html pages! (I usually delete html pages-can't stand 'em!) After reading through the "manual" I discovered that I had actually done about all that could be done without importing stuff. Unfortunately, it's not the program I'm looking for. Sorry to have wasted y'alls time! Warzog

Ironbear:Still think it's for newcomers?

When I got into Poser, everybody only had positive things to say about it. And while it's manual was written by someone on some serious drugs over a long and incoherent period, it is still a great program, and it's demo is fairly easy to comprehend and use. Studio Max is about the same; a nice demo, with easy to understand menu's and controls. A bit pricey if you ask me, but nice to work with. Truespace, and Lightwave are likewise easy to use demos, with menus that are easy to understand and follow. Terregen's "demo" or "shareware?", while quite limited, is a very easy program to use. I may be wrong, but it's always been my understanding that a demo is made in order to help convince people to purchase the full version. Which usually means that they show you what it can do, and how easy it is to do it. The Bryce 5 Trial version seems to be designed to get previous users of the Bryce programs to upgrade, not to convince newcomers into purchasing it. And, as I'm sure you'll agree, if I didn't think Bryce was at least worth a "Look-see," I never would have spent 8 hours to download the trial version. I've seen the results, it's a great program, in the right hands. But since you, yourself, mention the LOOooonnnngggg rendering times, and 2 years of reading the Manual, would you say that it's really a newcomer's program? Sincerly, Warzog

I just spent 8 hours downloading the Bruce 5 Trial Version. I was going to ask where the menus are, other than the little arrows, and pretty little icons. I was also going to ask how to import poser things, and how to do some "basic" stuff. I'm working on a game, and I need a terrain/organic renderer. But, considering the problems y'all are having.... And considering the amount of work, and the time limit, Bryce is definately not worth the time it took to download. Thanks for the info people!

Thanx back at ya!

Upon further checking, I discovered that ALL of my browser's security protocol's were active. I reset the defaults, and made my purchases. Thanks for the help!

My mistake, not "Page not found," as I thought. It's "Page can not be displayed, page is unavaileable."

Same one I've used a dozen times before.

It's titled, "Page not found."

Keep your fingers crossed! And thanks for the concern.

I agree, but if you put as many as you can think of, the odds are much better that people will think of one of them. As in my "gun" example; revolver, 45, peacemaker, colt, weapon, 19th century, old west, gun, cowboys, etc. All describe the Colt .45 Peacemaker, and would broaden the search more than say, "My Toy," or "Warzog's Bang-Bang!" Which is the type of listings we get now.

Yeh, if you know what the artist named it. And that's why I said, "Who cares about the categories?" When you're searching the categories mean squat! So who cares where they are? Generic names would make finding things easier. That is why people upload? So people can find their work? If you want it found, make it easier for a search to find it. Do like the porno sites used to do, include every possible search word, then every search would bring up your item. Hiding an item in a "category" may not be the category someone may think it would be in. Is a gun a prop? A poseable prop? A 3ds item? An obj? Third party? Depends on how the artist was feeling that day!

Since I don't upload. (I'm a lousy artist) I'd have to say that it really doesn't matter. I usually do a search for a particular item I need. I've been know to spend a day or more searching through both the free and marketplace areas for items I need for my games. I've gotten 3ds out of props, poseable props, bryce, and even 3ds! Most of the time an item is in the wrong place, has the wrong name, or is so unrelated to the ID the artist gave it, that it's amazing half of the stuff gets downloaded at all! For example I want a gun, not an uzi, not a hand laser, not a revolver, not a pistol, not an AR-15, a gun! If you do a search for a "gun" none of these items would show up in a search. Not even if you do a search for a "weapon." You have to know it there, exactly what it's called, or the artist. Two or three generic terms of items would be helpful, if everybody would do it. I just did an artist by artist, page by page, tour of the marketplace. I found a Minotaur, a Zombie, and a Lizard man/woman, that don't show up in a search of "monsters." It's like I said, I'm not an artist, I'm the end-user. There are lots of item people would buy or DL if they knew they were there. Make searches easier! Who cares about the categories? I want this or that item! And THAT is why we have a search function. Next time you post think about it.

Try Graphics Workshop Pro, it can assemble/dis-assemble them.