Quest .... I hope that DAZ has the sense to put a ton of BRYCE content in the package. If they throw in the standard POSER stuff that they are offering in the other bundles they will just aggrevate people. After all, part of the previous 'problem' was the POSER content being offered that a hell of a lot of us do not need.

I am ok with the announced price, I can live with it. It should get a load of people onto the DAZ BRYCE platform and then most everyone will be in the same boat from that point forward. I hope for release 6 they go to a full version price of $200 dollars or so. If they don't I doubt that DAZ will be able to devote the resources to enrich BRYCE with newer features. In short, if they stay at $120 dollars or less, BRYCE may become a tool to sell POSER content. IF DAZ bundles BRYCE, DS and something else for sub $200 dollars, BRYCE may be having a very long and slow development period. I will very very likely buy 5.5, I will wait though and see how well it is installing and performing for others. :)

I know what you mean, that is why I felt that they were using BRYCE to push POSER content. It seems that what they are doing is trying to raise revenue, can't fault them for that, but you are right, they would have done well by offering BRYCE content.

dkl30341... Yeah, I can imagine that :) As mentioned previously by you and AS, we really do not know what the cost of the 5.5 release will be. If DAZ cuts it close to the offered voucher, say within 10 or 15 dollars, then they can bail themselves out and many BRYCERs will likely jump at the opportunity. They could also enhance the current offer by letting the user select the items they really need. Certainly there would probably be some imposed selection criteria or guidelines but this path would probably drag in the disgruntled oldtimers that already have the content that is being offered in the present bundles. It might even drag me in, even though I do not really need more Poser content, but hey, it is always nice to have a new toy, even if you do not think you will use it much. We will see what Monday holds for us. :)

dlk30341 .... like Ardive I am on my second bottle of Advil, perhaps I should be on my second bottle of Scotch? :)

I have reread the .pdf that DAZ has advise all to read before they make a purchase concerning these bundles and in the introduction section they do state that they want to treat everyone the same, regardless of who we purchased BRYCE from.

Part of the problem is this, when you read the comparison charts in the same .pdf, you quickly see that if you DO NOT purchase a bundle of some type you will be paying FULL price for the .5 point release of BRYCE. So yes, in that sense we are all being treated the same. But I am having a hard time getting past the statement by made by Steve Kondris. Not trying to argue here, just trying be clear about what I have read at the DAZ forum.

What has gotten people a bit miffed about the matter is that basically you have to buy Poser content, whether you want it or not, just to get a $30 off voucher for the point release of BRYCE.

In may case and in the case of many others, we already have the content that is being offered and I, like you and many others just need an upgrade path. Let us hope that for our benefit that DAZ will rethink their position on this matter. :) edit : so true about their communication skills, I too am hoping that by sunset tomorrow, they have cleared the smoke. :)

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AS .... I sincerely hope that BRYCE becomes the flagship software for DAZ and a profitable one at that and I appreciate you taking time to clarify matters. Having read many, not all of the posts regarding this subject at the DAZ BRYCE forum, it is clear that DAZ has no intention of offering a upgrade path to 5.5 for CORAL BRYCE owners. Steve Kondris has stated this very clearly in one of the threads. Their reasoning being that they, DAZ, did not receive any of the moneies from the previous CORAL version of BRYCE. I consider this to be a very hard slap to the face. I would have paid a fair price to upgrade to 5.5, but damned if I will buy 5.5 all over again at full price. In short, DAZ can benefit from an upgrade price from me and many others or they can loose out all together. Some money is better than no money. Folks really need to read the posts over at the DAZ froum for BRYCE, there are posts in several different groups so look around. Look for posts by ORIO, he makes a very clear case for what I am attempting to explain. Apparently DAZ fully intends to develop and support BRYCE well into the future, but they have left me and probably many thousands more out in the cold with this decision about 5.5. I am glad there are no hard feelings between us, I just do not think that DAZ has thought this out very well.

Ardiva... same here, all I really want is a fairly priced upgrade path to 5.5 and nothing else attached to it. I strongly suspect that there are many many others that will be looking forward to a 5.5 upgrade. When they find out that there will be no option other than to buy 5.5 at full price there will be a great wailing and gnashing of teeth. Some like you and I will stay at version 5, some will bitterly buy 5.5 and some will move on to other programs. I really believe that folks need to understand that the potential is here to loose your upgrade path because you did not buy the DAZ version of BRYCE. As DAZ moves forward in their development of BRYCE it could very well work out that COREL BRYCE 5 users will not be able to use anything that is designed for DAZ BRYCE 5.5 and beyond. I still remember what CL did with their move from POSER 4 to POSER 5. Folks really need to think about this and they certaintly should contact DAZ and express their concerns. DAZ does listen to their customers.

/* AS / I sincerely hope that DAZ has started their venture with BRYCE with the intentions of FULLY supporting BRYCE and not just using BRYCE as a tool to push DAZ addons. I have no problem with DAZ sell addons, I have bought a hell of a lot of them, and up until about two months ago I have been a member of PC, but since they continue to whore out the PC club membership on special occasions, I saw no need to pay each month and maybe not buy something. Now all I need to do is wait for them to run a 'special'. I agree that DAZ listens VERY intently when their customers speak, I know, I have had several informative and problem resolving conversations with them. The result always being to my benifit. I have no complaints there. What I do not understand, is why DAZ would take a stance that they will not support or offer any incentive to pre DAZ owners of BRYCE. They are telling me and others that since we did not buy the DAZ copyright of BRYCE that they will not be doing anything for us. To make it even worse, they are basically forcing you to buy a 'bundled package', which for many of us, contains addons that we already have, just so we can get a discount on a product which does not even have a announced price. Not a smart business move on the part of DAZ. So it really does not matter what DAZ does with BRYCE or how well they support it, because at present, it is only worth a damn if you buy their 5.5 version at full price. Not trying to have a fight here AS, buy DAZ put the writing on the wall, and I have read it to be that they will abandon those who have are using the COREL BRYCE. / ERLIK */ I do not know how well E-ON did with their offer, my point is this. They are not fools, they watch the industry just as close as any other business does. If they see that DAZ is abandoning a part of their potential customer base, then they are very likely to offer an upgrade path for any disenfranchised users of pre DAZ BRYCE. When someone jumps to another program, they generally do not return to the previous program. Once again, not trying to start a fight or 'troll for trouble', I just do not think DAZ has thought this out very well.

Well put Stephen Ray .... DAZ can really screw themselves and the 'pre DAZ' owners of BRYCE 5 if they do not offer a very decent upgrade path to 5.5. It seems to me that DAZ figures that the only use for BRYCE is to couple it with their POSER addon offerings. This is a bad stance for DAZ to take, I strongly suspect that the bulk of BRYCE owners do not import POSER figures into their scenes, though some obviously do. I foresee were E-ON will be offering a steeply discounted upgrade path to their new offering for previous owners of BRYCE. As VUE continues to move forward, despite some buggy little problems, which all software seem to have, BRYCE may well become a stepchild in the DAZ catalog, its only purpose being to sell more POSER addon offerings.

Thanks for the link I will take a look later this evening. I used to write in 'C', but gave it up about 6 or so years ago. I really did not want to learn C++ and coding had gotten to be a bit maddening. I am interested and fascinated by the images created by OA, I am certain DDNA would have equally fascinated me. I will keep searching also and anything that I turn up I will PM the link to you. thanks, Louis

Yep, Evolva was the name of the game. How did Dancer DNA turn out? I would certaintly like to know what happened to Notting Hill, usualy when a software company folds, you hear a great lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth. I did not realise they had gone under until I could not find their web site. Sure would like to know what happened to the code and if it is available for purchase.

Using IE 6 and Opera 7.54 I have the same problem as classyladytwo. My cable company is Adelphia. On the free section for fractals I can see all the offerings except for the ones from mrpsiquedelico. Checked my firewall, Agnitum Outpost Pro, it does not appear to be the culprit. BabaLouie

Hi Fran, Thanks for the link. William Lantham of IBM, as I recall, came up with the original algos for those fractals. OA sold for a number of years as a screensaver and at some point Microsoft included a version with Windows. A company whose name I am unsure of but at one time could be reached at www.artworks.co.uk was offering OA. When they had an active website they advertised a version of OA that was being developed I believe, that would create fractals to the sound of music, much the same as MS Windows Media does. I believe they were also working on some kind of game or maybe a fractal-game combination. A company by the name of Mindspring, not the internet Mindspring, was offering OA at the same time, which of these two companies actually owned the source I do not know. OA has tremendous potential as you mentioned, I too often wished it had offered the capability for users to add and crate backgrounds. Now to take you back a little further, and to really date myself, there was another program by the name of DAZZLE. It was created by a fellow whose last name I believe was Shifflet and was from the State of Texas. It was a DOS based program that created some absolutely amazing fractals. The program also offered you the ability set parameters so you could create you own fractas. A real sweet program that never really made it into the Windows world. There was at one time a DAZZLE VHS tape that was being sold, but I have not seen it in years. I saw the DAZZLE fractals done at an IMAX theater, wow what a sight that was, looking at fractals above you and all the way across an IMAX screen. thanks, Louis

Yewston, Well, after I posted my question, I had to stop and think about what cable I was using. :) I do not recall if it was 'straight thru' or 'rolled' ethernet that I used between my two nics. I believe it is the straight, unfortunantly, I am in the process of packing up and moving to another city so all my toys and manuals are put away. Good point about Bryce not installed on the second PC, a person only needs Lightening installed on the second PC. I have used several different setups, dual 866, single 733, and single 2.66 all with Win2k and have not noticed that it made much difference which PC ran Bryce and which PC had Lightening on it.

What OS and what type of cable are you using for the connection between both computers ? BabaLouie