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Damn you just beat me to it! :)

Wohoooo! Great price. Hmmmm, additional bundle. I need another hard drive...

and for those who will inevitably ask, do you pay extra for the bundle if you're starting out? folks are gonna ask..;)

Do you pay extra for the bundle if you're starting out?

I would imagine that is just a bonus for previous owners and may not be available as a seperate purchse but then I know nothing of how DAZ thinks LOL At least they "somewhat" changed their minds. Everyone was expecting a higher price for 5.5, who knows what DAZ was thinking originally for the price. Those that are PC members and buy the bundle are practically getting the upgrade for free with a ton of stuff. They will pay the same total amount (Bundle + 5.5) as someone who just gets 5.5....IE $85 vs $99.95

Well, seems like things are starting to happenfinally the ball starts to roll! I wonder whats in: the upgrade bundle? Is it goodies, things like plug-ins and resources? Thanks for the news!

I am ok with the announced price, I can live with it. It should get a load of people onto the DAZ BRYCE platform and then most everyone will be in the same boat from that point forward. I hope for release 6 they go to a full version price of $200 dollars or so. If they don't I doubt that DAZ will be able to devote the resources to enrich BRYCE with newer features. In short, if they stay at $120 dollars or less, BRYCE may become a tool to sell POSER content. IF DAZ bundles BRYCE, DS and something else for sub $200 dollars, BRYCE may be having a very long and slow development period. I will very very likely buy 5.5, I will wait though and see how well it is installing and performing for others. :)

Quest .... I hope that DAZ has the sense to put a ton of BRYCE content in the package. If they throw in the standard POSER stuff that they are offering in the other bundles they will just aggrevate people. After all, part of the previous 'problem' was the POSER content being offered that a hell of a lot of us do not need.

BabaLouie wrote: _______________________________________ In short, if they stay at $120 dollars or less, BRYCE may become a tool to sell POSER content. IF DAZ bundles BRYCE, DS and something else for sub $200 dollars, BRYCE may be having a very long and slow development period. _______________________________________ Not necessarily. There are two ways to profit - low sales and high margins; or high sales and low margins. DAZ operates in the latter manner. It offers (mostly) high quality product and shoves it out cheap to thousands and thousands (it then offers frequent incremental improvements and sells loads of those). DAZ can develop Bryce at a low item cost if it can sell enough items. But that requires focussing Bryce development on the needs of DAZ's mass market...

I see your point... if there is any one thing that DAZ can do really well, it is market their product. Reminds me of the TV commercials where 'if you order now, we will send you not 1, not 2 but 3 self sharpening pencils for the price of 1 !!' :)

LMAO!!!! BabaLouie...those late night infomericals!!!! Call in the next 10 minutes & you get another one for free!!!! Why is it, most of those are done by the same guy using a fake Brit/Aus. accent???? LOL anyway

So, if you aren't a PC member, you pay $99.95 for the upgrade? (And then the "bundle", whatever that is LOL, with it at no extra cost?) Is DS free to the public or only PC members? Is DS part of the "bundle"? (I always get confused when things get broken down according to PC memberships.) Thanks for any clarification.

DS is free to the public, no need to be a Plat Club member for that.

• Faster render speeds - at least twice as fast ..........uhhhh, thats not much faster when rendertimes are 24hs as it is. lol.

What I would like to know is "What's in the bundle?" and... "why do I have to have the bundle?" Can't we just get 5.5 all by itself??

So what will be the price for me to just upgrade to 5.5 from the 5.1 I bought from DAZ, with and without being a PC member?

blaufield - $99.95 Ardiva - (I assume) No, the bundle will come with 5.5, I don't even know what's in the bundle, lol. But, come on...you know there will be SOME non-Bryce stuff in there...;o) TwistedBolt - 50% faster not good enough!!!??? Are nuts?! 50% faster for a RAYTRACER Baby!!! (man, I'm glad that speed info is finally out, I was dying to tell someone how much faster Bryce 5.5 is) AgentSmith

Is that kiwi $ or that funny US stuff??????? Cheers GG 8)

Hey AS, is Bryce Lightning going to follow that speed too, cuz that would be a major speed upgrade for my 3 PC render-farm ???

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I am only guessing, but I would assume a big fat yes. AS

Thanks, man, cuz that would be like 3x50 percent speed-up, wohoooo !!!:)

EXACTLY! ;=D AS

Anyone know if they plan to make Bryce 6 even faster? Or will the 5.5 be the "standard" for a little while?

Twice as fast sounds good to me. My ten day render would only take five days. ;-)

Lol, dang...50% is AMAZING, trust me. 6.0 speed - don't know. BUT...I'm sure if they can find ways to speed it up even more, they will. But, 6.0's focus should be in higher functions. AS

Can't we just get 5.5 all by itself??" "Quote: A very nice price indeed. So does that mean I can get a 5.5 whenever it's out -- assuming I decide I want Bryce -- without having to buy 5.0 first? Yes. It's just a far better deal do buy the 3D Bundle, get the content including M3/V3 lo-res, Bryce 5, Poser versions of all the content, a free month in the Platinum Club AND a coupon good for $30 off Bryce 5.5. Without owning Bryce 5 you get 5.5 for $99.95 or $69.96 as a PC member."

"Poser versions of all the content" Which most likely means there will be obp's in the bundle...;o) AS

Maybe I should stop doing 9000x7200 renders with tons of lights. Think my render time would decrease then? ;-)

Lol...ah, well maybe, hard to tell really...

sounds like a pretty good deal...yes, faster rendering is a very good thing AS, but how about the ability to turn off Raytracing like every other rendering engine. Especially when you are doing test renders and do not need reflections/refractions etc etc. ...thats makes projects go MUCH MUCH faster if your not waiting hours for your test renders :-)

Can't you turn off reflections in the render options?

And...in 5.5 the OpenGl preview you will see in the main screen should be good enough that it will eliminate the need for some/a lot of the test rendering, you should be able to see it in real-time. ;o) AS

Aye, it all sound exciting, but let me be the first to nay-say OpenGL when it comes to actual implementation. I know it's the "industry standard" for "graphic design" acceleration, but let's face the cold, hard facts. OpenGL will never outperform Direct X. If I want my Geforce to be involved in my graphic design, I have to physically put it on my scanner, scan the card, and use some filters on it to make it do anything. It's a waste of time for them to add more OpenGL options. Cooler stuff, like collision detection, or perhaps joint OpenGL/Direct X acceleration would be much, much cooler. I'll just holdout until Bryce 6 comes out.

scan the card? You lost me. Bryce 6 will most likely have a lot more of those "industry standard" things you talk of.... Collision detection...I dream of it. ;o) AS

I hope that twice as fast isn't going to mean half as good.

They have said the render engine is exactly the same, the code has just been optimized. (IE similar to taking out delay loops in older basic programs)

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Thanks Aldaron, that sounds encouraging, at least.

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I was just hoping faster would mean maybe a 300-400% increase.I got to try V-ray at a friends and did a radiosity render in 10min, and was blown away.Anyway I wont complain, as it is faster.its just getting me rev'ed up for 6 I guess.

judyk, yup like Aldaron, says, it's the same program, code, and rendering engine, just way optimized. TwistedBolt; Well, DAZ has been working on a whole program for how long? And, Chaos Group (Vray) has been working on just a rendering plugin, for how long? (3.5 years) VRay IS amazing, lol. Would be great if somehow in the future, Bryce scenes could be transfered over to the Vray standalone renderer! (it was at Siggraph, btw) AgentSmith

""Poser versions of all the content" Which most likely means there will be obp's in the bundle...;o)" I would suspect it is most likely in .daz format for Studio to export to Bryce. All in all, I think that it is a good price. It's certainly in line with what I paid for my last upgrade. So is the 50% render speed balanced out by 200% render speed of yellow glass? (just kidding!!) TC

@AS, I know.The whole 3Delight thing is making me a happy camper though, as I have access to Renderman through a friend.I cant wait to try it out.

@ AS Bryce+Vray = roxors = 1000$ :( :P

Kemal, dont worry.I am trying to set a little renderfarm up with a group of guys That I know.It will be a renderman compliant farm as well as program specific farm (3dsMax,Cimema4d,Lightwave,and bryce will be supported).But I just had a talk with my buddy who has Renderman.He said that if a program has its own set of shaders(like the DTE) they wont transfer over(anything UV mapped and textured will).But Renderman has its own shaders that can be set in the program(allowing SSS,radiosity,translucense,and any effect seen in a pixar film you can think of). The bad news is that the Farm is going to take at least 10,000$ from each of us( me and my friends),so its about a year or 2 off......

thanks for the screen cap AS, you learn something new everyday ..and all those hours spent test rendering when I could have easily eliminated all reflections/refractions etc :-(

It would be nice (I think), to bring those render options in somewhere on the main interface, maybe along the right edge, where they would be a little more fast-accessible. Or maybe a part of the "render spheres" (left side) AS

Not sure if this has been asked before: Will new version of Bryce behave more like Windows applications? i.e. The window be restorable as well as not disabling XP's tool bar?

GOOD question. I don't know, lol. Still, an attribute worthy of making it to 5.5! AS