Censorship is not a site deciding what can go on it's walls and yes, in the end, it is their walls. No one has stated anywhere that you cannot produce the kind of art you want. No one is burning your canvases or deleting your files to silence you. There are sites that allow nude child images and you can display your work there for the world to see, not to mention putting up your own website.

A large site is in the public spotlight, and there are not just artists that visit here. So Rosity has to keep that in mind as well, what the outside perception is. Also in order to maintain the costs and structure of a site like this, it has to run itself as a business, because it is. The decisions are not always going to be popular. It doesn't really matter the reason, whether it was a few members, a lot of members, the moral majority, Paypal, etc. The site does what it feels is necessary to maintain the site and insure it's future. The child nudity ban is not going to stop people from coming here. It's been in play for a month or two and there is no shortage of new images posted. However, the alternative has a more inherent danger of being misunderstood and having to face legal issues that could shut down the site. That would do none of us any good.

I wasn't one of those that pushed for this change, but the direction was pretty clear, and given today's culture, it seems like their best move on this issue. While there may be a few that might want to see Rosity shut down, most of us don't and I don't think many mind what I think is a fairly reasonable request in order to keep the site from legal snags.

Thanks for the info. I will try it again on the mat and see what I come up with. And will try playing with the smooth blending strip slider. That's a good idea on the auto-collapse. Thanks for the tip and the reply... ShadowWind

So why not just have an OT and make it part of the header that religious or political subjects will not be discussed? If such a subject arises, that is the one that is moved into the private forum? It sounds as though you are trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Even people in museums talk about other things than just the art on the wall.

BTW Stacey, while it is an art community, art is derived from all sorts of subjects and so being as such, art is related to just about everything. You can't really expect artists to have no opinions or no discussion of any other subject than art. If you limit speech in the forums, you'll wind up with it in the galleries and that will not go well...

Just a thought...

Actually it wouldn't work anyway, because I didn't have the shipped item either, obviously. They'd have to get the crook to send it back (like that's gonna happen) for them to refund the money.

Because the item was downloaded, rather than shipped. So there is no physical product to send back to get the refund, so it has to be handled the long way. I went to the police station, they sent me to the bank to get documentation. I went to the bank to get documentation and then went back to the police station. They didn't seem to know much of what I was talking about when I said it was internet fraud as I kept getting asked, "How do you still have your card?" And then they wouldn't even look at the documentation that they sent me to get. Anyway, now I'm waiting for a police report that I can take to the bank to get them to start the fraud return proceedings...argh.

Actually Adobe didn't return my money. Told me the bank would have to do it.

UPDATE:
The crook didn't have my information, just the card #. The guy at Adobe was confused by the account that I had there. Adobe's online system didn't bother to check to see if the address matched or not before allowing the guy to download the software. First Adobe tried to blame the bank, then when I told them that the bank's system responded properly, they tried to say it was against privacy policies to check the address to see if it matched. I laughed at the guy's face over that one. Since the crook did download the software, Adobe has to have a bank fraud claim and a police report in order to free the money back. They even tried to claim that maybe I was the one who downloaded the software and am now asking for the money back. I'm the victim in this and they want t treat me like the criminal. So it's off to the police station and the bank today to get all the paperwork filled out.

I still have hope that I'll get the money back, but it's a lot longer time to have to float...

Actually Poser was used to create a whole adult series at one point called Dark Justice. So I don't know why it couldn't do a movie...

That's a cool point to keep in mind...

BTW, I did not do one of those Ebay or Paypal scams. I know better than to give out information like that from some email.

UPDATE: I talked to Adobe today and they are not going to ship the item, therefore they aren't going to charge the item and thus I will get the pre-auth dropped in about 2-3 days. Yesterday when I talked to the girl at Adobe, she said that the name on the account with my card didn't match. Today I talked to a supervisor who tells me that they used my name, address, card number, etc. However, he also said that the billing address was in Illinois and the shipping address is in Miami. Now to me, that makes no sense. If my address was not the billing one and it wasn't the shipping one, what other one was there? I have a feeling that he confused the account that Adobe set up for me as the crook having my address. The card was denied after the pre-auth, which could have meant that their system denied it all along. If you run your card through, even if it's denied, they can still pre-auth hold that cash. Not sure what to think at this point, but glad that at least the money won't get siphoned out and it will save the hassle of the whole fraud investigation, though I would like to know who this bugger is. Thanks for all your support and comments...

Yeah, they possibly can. Will leave that up to them. I am just glad that my bank is such that they will return the cash, though it would be much easier if Adobe doesn't charge the card beyond pre-auth which means the money will automatically be taken out of hold after 3-4 days. It just goes to show you that you shouldn't have too much money in any account that is online and that you should get online banking if you don't have, because waiting for your statement, it's a lot harder to find out these things.

Actually I have a debit card, and my bank has been excellent about returning the money in these cases. I did close out the card though and waiting for a reissue. The account it's connected to though is very low, not my real account...
Since the transaction is only in pre-auth, it's possible that I can head off the charge at the pass. Adobe said I could speak to a supervisor tomorrow which may get them to validate with the bank that the card is not correct and they won't ship/charge the item...

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Thanks Cooler, just what I was looking for. Knew I'd seen them somewhere. Thanks as well for the info sflayer.

Strange Dale, I have a Sony DVD-RW, one of the new DL/dual format ones, and it installed V5I fine.

Thanks, I feel a bit better now. :) I am amazed at the possibilities the ecosystem opens up and I loved how well it handled on my 512Meg computer in one of the demo scenes that was something like 500 million polys and it seems very stable. I look forward to getting into it further when I get more time, which unfortunately probably won't be until the end of the week, but who knows. Sometimes I say that and I wind up sneaking into Vue anyway. It will certainly be fun experimenting with different things. Will post when I can and thanks wabe...