Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed 'Rosity being really s...l...o...w over the last few days? 🤔

"LOL just so everyone knows, RodS asked me to shut up for two weeks, hush points lol and forked over the 200 reward points. I gave them back though, you are stuck with me!!"

Oh, jeeze.... Now we're into hush money (points, actually)? This is starting to sound like a Government operation.... I think I might run for President, just so I can give that Donald guy a headache! 😂🤣

Nah... With my luck, I'd win. They couldn't pay me enough.... 😲

Saaaaaay whaaaaaaat?? LOL Loaded? Me? 🤣 I haven't been "loaded" in years...  Oh, wait... You meant with points....😆

Well, I have a couple hundred, but I blew a few recently, and got some cool goodies for V4 (I think I'm the only one that still buys V4 stuff...) and even Photoshop. I'll have to do that once in a while, once I build the points up again...

Oh, yeah.... Thank You! Where are my manners? 😂

There's somethiNg speciAl coming to the galleries in a bit.... 😉

I got the WoodChicken notification as well. I've seen a lot of those the last year or so. I never see any uploads or comments from any of them, so I'm assuming they're just here to download / steal artworks. I've never seen any of mine show up anywhere else, so it does have me wondering...

I see the quality and quantity of nudes has dropped considerably, I must post some Poser nudes soon lol

Is there a filter that I can select so I can see only the nu-- nevermind

And, it's also being posted as "Mixed Medium." They're determined, I'll give 'em that...... 🙄

The AI flooding continues (by at least one individual who shall remain nameless). Now they're posting it under "Other Apps."

OK, I'm going to have my say here.

Firstly, the notion that AI "steals" peoples art/images/photographs is a myth.  It uses images as REFERENCE.  It does not copy/paste bits of artwork into an image to create a new image.  As a Vue user, I nearly always used photographs or paintings for reference, yet was never berated or banned for that.  Most "real" artists use references, be it photo, image or physical.

Images are made up of noise.  A demonstration of this is in the image below containing 4 shots of the progress from 0% to 100%.  As you can clearly see, there is not copy/pasting going on.  The images are being built up using noise.

The second image shows one of those 4 that has been taken into Photoshop.  A squirrel has been hand painted in, and some branches and leaves added.  Colour and lighting correction has also been done.  This has taken much more effort than loading a pre-purchased model into Poser/Daz, clicking on a few pre-purchased presets and hitting the render button.  This, although initially generated with AI has also been worked on by a human doing actual digial painting.  

This brings me to my second gripe.  Most of those whingeing about AI who are calling themselves "artusts" are a joke to themselves.   I doubt any of them have ever actually picked up a brush and painted on canvas.  THAT is a real artist.  The whingers are simply using 3D programmes to create what can only be termed as mediocre, boring and in many cases, ugly images and they're calling it "art". On the subject of ugly and flooding, I might highlight all of those NVIATWAS in the galleries. And before anyone jumps in and accuses ME of being the same, well no, actually.  I WAS painting on canvas using oil paints long before digital, and even long before PCs were around.

I despise hypocrites, and this is hypocrisy at it's most vulgar.

OK…. My turn.

Other than a couple of earlier comments, I have avoided becoming embroiled in this hellstorm. But…

This pisses me off. More later.

You are correct as far as SOME of the AI apps out there. They do “train” on images, and do not just use them “as is” to composite an image together. They train on styles, color palettes, subjects and so on. And yes, it is essentially reference. And yes, I use reference (lots of it) no matter what medium I’m using.

The image demonstration you provided was interesting and informative. And a lovely scene resulted.

So, what pisses me off? Just this:

“This has taken much more effort than loading a pre-purchased model into Poser/Daz, clicking on a few pre-purchased presets and hitting the render button. “

And:

“Most of those whingeing about AI who are calling themselves "artusts" are a joke to themselves.  I doubt any of them have ever actually picked up a brush and painted on canvas.  THAT is a real artist.  The whingers are simply using 3D programmes to create what can only be termed as mediocre, boring and in many cases, ugly images and they're calling it "art". On the subject of ugly and flooding, I might highlight all of those NVIATWAS in the galleries. And before anyone jumps in and accuses ME of being the same, well no, actually.  I WAS painting on canvas using oil paints long before digital, and even long before PCs were around.

I despise hypocrites, and this is hypocrisy at it's most vulgar.”

BS. And yours isn’t?

You moan and groan about us Poser/Daz folks lumping all AI users and images into one group of folks, then you turn around and do the same thing with Poser/Daz/Photoshop/Photography folks.

Look, I know you and maneki_neko and several others are upset about Rendo’s AI ban, and are taking it out on the people here who are not fans of this AI craze.

And, by the way… I have been creating art since I first had memory of picking up a pencil. For most of my childhood, I was always drawing on good old 8.5 X 11 paper with a #2 pencil. Later as a teen / young adult I used tons of Prismacolor colored pencils. I’ve also played with watercolor (not my favorite), oils, airbrush, and just about every medium I could get my hands on.

When computers became mainstream, yes… I started playing around in Photoshop – when it was in its early stages. I’ve been using it ever since.

I am also a photographer and have worked professionally in this medium. I worked with a local modeling agency, both photographing models, and assisting with setting up their first website.

And I’ve worked with Poser for 12 – 13 years, done some work with DAZ, also. And as far as “loading a pre-purchased model into Poser/Daz, clicking on a few pre-purchased presets and hitting the render button” is concerned, you’ll not see an image posted by me that hasn’t been tweaked, morphed, lighted in multiple ways, color corrected, with Poser and Photoshop, sometimes for days. It’s certainly not a matter of “bada-bing, bada-boom, hit the render button.” A single page in my TNA series can sometimes take weeks to tweak - poses, expressions, camera angles, lighting, props placement, and render / assemble.

Like I said earlier, I know many of you are upset over the AI ban and are simply lashing out at those you assume are responsible. Yes, it's a relief to not see 30 - 50 AI images that all pretty much look the same every day.  But it was Renderosity's decision, not mine.

OK?

Can we just move on, now? Please?

If you're thinking this will stop spammers in the galleries, think again. There is a so-called Vue image under category Romance that is neither Vue nor romance but an ad with a link to an adult services page. "Best Call Girl In Delhi", I kid you not. Just reported it. 

P.S. No, I haven't deleted anything in my gallery yet. Not sure if old stuff can stay or not so I figured I'd better ask to be on the safe side. Will comply with the rules, no more AI in anything else posted here by this little featherhead.

@ maneki_neko,

I do have to agree with you as far as the daily 8 images of the same chick just in slightly different poses, and the daily limit of promos EVERY day by a couple folks that shall remain nameless..

Now, I'm outta here...

RodS posted at 1:27 PM Thu, 7 September 2023 - #4474165

"yeah? so have a look at the last, fresh 8 images in my gallery. they've been hand made by me, a human, and daz studio on a natural computer you can find growing in the nature, with the power of my purely human mind. ok, they are random useless renders i found growing mold on the bottom of my DS render folder. but many other renders here on this site look like this (and they're not fails, they're actually considered as finished and ready to be admired!) - or worse. i hate every single one of them, and if it wasn't for the rewards, i wouldn't be caught dead confessing that they're mine.

and then look at the beautiful other images i made the weeks/months before with AI, enjoying every moment of their creation. 

thank you all anti AI people, you just saved the world from beauty. but at least, the human lack of talent is rewarded. long live the human race. it won't last long anyway."

Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!! Thank you!!!!!

Folks, there is a humongous difference between using AI technology as PART of a toolset to create an image, and just using the AI to create a complete image (and calling it 'your' artwork). What that means is that YOU as an artist are controlling what comes out as the final image rather than the AI. Using a combination of Poser / DAZ, Photoshop / Gimp / Painter / Whatever as your creative toolset is not, I repeat, NOT the same as typing in a bunch of prompt words / phrases, then letting the AI do its thing. YOU are the creator of the image, not the AI. Using generative fill in Photoshop as a tool is not the same as generating an entirely new image using AI only.

Amen! 👍👍

Here's what I don't understand....

On a good week, I'll get maybe 2 images done (what I consider "done" - I'm picky) and posted to the gallery. And I'm freakin' retired!

Then you have people like that "Rene" person that uploads the 8-image limit of promotionals EVERY SINGLE DAY. There are several others that do the same with AI, with photos that all look the same, and other mediums that I could name. I'm not going to, and I'm not trying to pick on anyone in particular. But it does get to be a tad frustrating to upload something you've spent hours (or days) working on just to have it buried by 30 or so images that all look pretty much the same by the same 3 or 4 people.

I've commented about this before, so I'll keep this short and sweet. Or maybe a wee bit sour. 😉

The last I knew there was an eight (8) uploads per day limit. With the ability to upload multiple images in one post, there is no logical reason to flood the galleries. That's all I'm saying.