shudders Didn't need that Bert and Ernie image.

Ernyoka, I was saying "proper" not proper. "proper" meaning 'what white bread america thinks a family should be like'. They have a tendency to try to enforce their views on others. I honestly don't care if someone wants to tell their children about sex at an early age. Knowledge is power, and if you tell them about it, they'll be more comfortable about coming to you with problems. My boyfriend was raped because no one bothered to tell him about the birds and the bees, and he had no one he felt comfortable going to after the fact. But bringing the subject back around, there's a difference between depicting something with, for example, normal anatomical details, and, again for example, including 'spread' morphs on said genitalia, as if there was something inside it. The second has no educational merit, really, except perhaps in the study of sex, itself. Or for gynacologists, maybe. In any event, the image has been removed, so we can stop fighting, now. Everyone drop the pitchforks and torches and go home, and have your favorite meal. And save me some.

I was discussing the object in the image, not the person who posted. I've been attacked enough in these forums in the past to know the difference. The image itself was not mature.

Excuse me, Blackhearted? Read again. You just attacked ME and I was DEFENDING YOU. kawecki was the one who posted the image of the censored cat, not me. Get it right before you go off cursing and attacking people next time. Frothing mob and all.

rolls his eyes Cute. Very mature.

I'd actually rather not. And I don't post to 'Rotica, either, because I'm not comfortable posting there, either. I only post to www.gayposerart.com as Ganymede, and I don't post there, often, because /there/, unless it /is/ pornography, few people leave comments. It's a catch 22.

Clarification: Rule about no nudity in banner ads.

Don't put words in my mouth, geoegress. I don't appreciate it, and I won't tolerate it. I /will/ take it up with staff if you continue to try to publicly demean me. Pink ponies my ass. "Even erotic art is still art, in my mind, but only if it's well done. It can be beautiful, if done properly." Can you read those simple little words? See...? If you want to take that attitude with me over what I said, I can and will take it up with staff, because I refuse to let myself be bombarded and attacked yet again by witch hunters. I'm not saying don't do pin ups and don't do nudes. I do them. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not right wing. I'm a loud mouthed gay male who simply gets sick of having breasts shoved in his face constantly. There's a difference between an artistic pin up and a trashy five minute poser image. We all know the difference. We're all adults. Don't assume to know my psychological problems based on /two/ posts. I do not agree with the 'radical right' that you see in these threads. Hello. Homosexual male. I can't even get MARRIED where I live, even if I want to. Maybe when geogegress learns to read instead of skim, they'll figure out what I just said. But I doubt it. I fully expect to be attacked by the raging, frothing mob yet again. The US, generally, is /much/ more prudish than Europe. I'd honestly prefer to live in Europe. But that requires money to move. I have no problem with nudity, or with pornography, for that matter, but each have their place. Pornography and /detailed/ examples of genitalia belong in Renderotica. If someone wants to put genitals on their female figures, please, by all means, do. Just don't, for example, do a close up of it and make it your thumbnail image and/or banner ad. Saying 'don't look at it' isn't that simple. You can't /turn/ the nudity off on banner ads. There used to be a rule about no nudity. There should be, again. It made the site seem more... I don't want to say mature, because there are some banners that look great, even nude. More professional, I suppose, but that's not quite right, either. I don't want to be surfing the forum and have a close up of someone's vagina on my screen anymore than straight people want to see two gay men having sex. I've got a perfectly proper image that, while highly suggestive, shows no genitalia or actual sexual content. I won't post it on this site, because it's homosexual and I don't feel the people here would like it, and I don't feel comfortable sharing it on this site. As for the boobs comment... Sure. Just don't make it your banner image. Blackhearted's banner is perfectly fine. Some of the others aren't.

And Puntomaus, you have to remember that generally, in Europe, things are more alright than they are in the US. We're a bunch of stuck up prudes, for the most part. Some people, most notably of my mother's generation, think of nudity in /general/ as pornography. It's art, to them, when it's a painting. When it's a photo, they start going "Oh god, get that porn out of my house!". I don't understand it. Like I said. Tasteful nudity is fine. But when it's intentionally... well, for lack of a better way, when it looks downright slutty and trashy, I really don't want to see it, male nudity OR female nudity. Even erotic art is still art, in my mind, but only if it's well done. It can be beautiful, if done properly.

Like I said. "proper". Things are OK now that weren't even a few years ago. They started sex ed when I was in the 4th grade. But they didn't exactly give us detailed, graphic photos. They gave us anatomy drawings. Nudity is one thing. I have no problem with nudity. However? I don't like having it shoved in my face every time on the site.

We would be, but let's face it. Most of us grew up, probably, in "proper" homes. One simply does not talk about the clitoris in a "proper" home, except in the bedroom, or in the occasional mother-daughter chat. One does not, in the "proper" home, expose their children to nudity. One of my biggest gripes with Renderosity is that the TOS says it's a 'family' site, and yet stuff like this is sold. I have no problem with the female genitalia. I don't particularly care about it, one way or the other. It's there. It serves its purpose, just like the male genitalia does. However, if someone tried to sell 'erection' morphs, which is a naturally occuring state of the male genitals, you know all hell would break loose. But yet, we're supposed to sit here quietly, because it /can/ be used for educational purposes. Not is, can. In that same line of thought, a decent erection set could be used for much the same purpose. And yes, we should return to the censored banners again. I'm sick of being slapped with breasts every time I change the page. It's killing sales on products I might otherwise look at, like the afore mentioned V3 Bodies set. Not all of us are heterosexual males. Not all of us like being bombarded by blatant 'sex sells'.

Don't feel bad. I had the same problem. I ordered on the 27th or 28th. Waited two days, finally got a message from DAZ where I was to send my money to. Sent my money to DAZ. Waited. Waited three days. I'm verified. They have my address and bank account AND my mother's credit card on file. I don't like using the card, because it's TOO EASY to spend a crapload of money with one. Finally, yesterday I called the 800 number and spoke with a nice young woman, explained what was going on. Five seconds later, almost literally, I was downloading the items I bought. I was irritated, at the time, because I like instant gratification, just like the rest of us. It was frustrating to have already paid and not get my grubby little fingers on it. At first, I felt like accusing them of slacking. And then I remembered exactly how many people buy things from them. They /might/ have been slacking, but honestly, I think they were just swamped.

Well, if you ever want to market an alien head...

Well, here's my personal thoughts. A lot of the Renderosity staff doesn't consult with others when they approve images. They should start, honestly. I see people who've blurred the genitals out on their figures. I don't, honestly, understand that. Having them /there/ isn't wrong. However, I don't particularly want to see a close up of them. I never looked at the genital set, for the same reason I've never needed the Ulf Penis prop or the Diginitals one, except for maybe on a comission (and that work never got posted here, either). Honestly, it upsets me that we can have naked women with their legs spread suggestively in the galleries, looking very much so 'come have sex with me /now/' but we can't have an erect phallus, and MOST artists are so intimidated they simply crop or censor it out. I find it rather telling that the best selling products are incredibly buxom women and the like... And Blackhearted, there was nothing wrong with your banner. I like it. It's better than the 'V3 Bodies' banner that I see. I don't have a problem with nudity, but a lot of other people do, and having a banner where a rather buxom upper torso is all that's shown... Eh.

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