Troll steps out from bridge...shrugs off mud on collar and pulls up his trusty nail encrusted hammer. Digs nose and flicks it at scott. Golly gee you boy's and girls seem to be having a fun time here tonight... Makes me feel like I'm back in pennsyltucky with my kin folk hunting wild boar. Why shucks when me and my partner in crime hollerd that the sky was falling nun of you'ns would believe us. Now who is the darn hillbilly. This thread has gave me more laughs than dat dare time when the hogs were a yellerying for more slop right before the ham truck arrived. Wheeeeoo April dat's some mighty fine naked hair renders you got dare. How long did dose baby's take to render like about 10 days or sooooooooo. Yep I had some renders like that myself. Not as nice as yours I may say but pretty fine if I do say so myself. Had my 12 year old hep me. Still trying to figure out how to use this dang machine. After many years who would have guessed I'd still be stompping away trying to figure this demon thing out. Can't be cause of my edumcation cause I did pass the 3rd grade. My momma is mighty proud of that if I may say so myself. Howdy Scott I was at your web thingy and man o man it is so cool you and me must get toghether and share our skills man you good boy. We must have been in school toghether in the 3rd grade because I did some of the same stuff myself.....:) And from one Troll to another you make me so proud. You troll like a pro and believe me when I tell you I'm a pro yup...... Iv'e beena noticing some peeps a moving faster than that dang rabbit I was after some time ago on thir attitudes on this whole thang. Dang kids you making my head spin. YOu's like it or not what is it. I told ya's the program don't like to register and it is slower than molassas whem my sis makes me cookies. It also has got's more critters than my lame dog. But I must thank all the beta testers for this here fine product. Now that my wallet is thinner I don't have to buy the ole lady that polka dot dress she was bugging me about hehehehe. Shoot what do I need money fer, I just live in a trailer park anyhow. As for yun's that say you don't have a stich of problems with the program........I ask you,do you kiss your mamma with that mouth. And I agree wit you'ns I have the programs and don't care if it'n works because I can't work the dang thing anyway I just want the box it's so pretty. I stare at it every night it's so dang pretty. looks good on my deckstop I tell ya! Bows down to the poser god and pray's for a working version hmmmmmmmmmm. or another pretty box called poser 6. Lord knows they aint no other programs out there at all for us poor simple folk running old 2mb systems with the first version of windozzzzzz. Well time to slop my hog's and slap my cat errrrrrr I mean my wife....ey Scott you want some of this here slop mighty fine eating boy......I mean mighty fine..

Norbert cute name Back OFF! Scott your totally annoying......! And no one with any web sense at all would even come close to admitting that their a member of AOL. I told her to stay out of this mess. lol I told her what kind of people she can possible run into. Look Golden is not Trolling this gallery she has been a member alot longer than alot of you and her experience goes way back to the early versions of poser ok. And no she didn't back down from what she said...I told her to delete everything and get out of the community totally and stop trying to inform people of this mess. Plus you can't always explain everything in a readable format when typing instead of talking. It's not the bugs, or the fact that the program is slow that's just the minor annoyance's.....The problem with us was when our legit copy's of poser somehow didn't make it through the registration process we were or so it worked out, banned from renderosity as warez peeps through a collaberation between CL and Render so it seems. We tracked down the xml and yes it was happening and we found the redirection page for it. I'm not blaming render I'm blaming CL for this. The objective is fair for protecting your product but when your software makes a booboo and innocent people are caught in the middle to me that's not acceptable. We are not exagerating or lying here. That and the Poser 5 EULA aggrement in the book which is pretty heavy handed on your art work. And some thought the beta peeps might have overexagerated the usability of the product. For all of you who can't afford a real program and love the simplicity of Poser and live and die by it hey, enjoy and sow what the program my reap for you. You are all more than welcome to endure this silly registration product just be carefull when you change a hard drive or graphics card don't tell me I didn't warn you. I have software with dongles on them if you know what that is, works more effiently than a software protection scheme. It's the principle here that has made me leave. I don't like anyone being that overhanded with their software that I pay for and support here for this program is gigantic. Would anyone even check out artwork made with other apps? This Troll is going back under his bridge and taking his club with him hehehehe... And to the other trolls here that are doing alot of arguing and don't even have the program in your possesion...ahhhhh how do I say this....you don't have the program but yet you defend what you don't have or understand. Sounds like I need to see a shrink on this one lol. Anyway good luck and enjoy it if you can..:)

Wishin I could sell Ericofsd my broken version of poser 5 seeing as to how I'm stuck with it now and don't want it lol. And Wondering if Erico is afflicated with CL in anyway lol. Because every thread I read he or she is totally finding ways to back this broken product...:) Maybe I can sell some of these peeps a broken car because hey it's a car a broken car is better than no car at all right ehhehhe......

It's funny reading everyone's threads lol. Buy the way can I sell some of you swamp land in Florida ehehhe. The only thing is though you won't actually own the land, you can say you have posession but you won't actually own it lol. I too liked alot in Poser 5 but I found it not too complicated but just a royal pain. The render is way to slow and don't tell me about your latest 5 thousand giz a hertz proc's my system runs duals which this awesome program can't even utilize and alot of ram and it's still slower than the breeze on a hot summer day. They took out important things so I could not use all the money I spent on Daz stuff and the like within the program. They concocted some stupid registration scheme that at least for me didn't work and if you read the elua you might find out that just maybe the art work you create in Poser 5 doesn't even belong to you but to Curious Labs lol. Yep that's right so keep on praising them for being so cool while they claim credit's to your work. If you want to read more about the elua go to poser pro's general discussions...:)

Don't break the Seal......! Don't break the Seal....! Don't break the Seal...........! Oh Damn you broke the Seal.......:( Your stuck with it now.....Just like us..lol

I agree with nighthawk.lol Why did they have to use that stupid registration scheme. I didn't like the sound of it the day I opened the manual and read about it. And of course as soon as I try to use it after installing Poser 5 it immediately decides it doesn't like my Poser 4 requested serial No. and tells me to call tech support. And another thing why did it need my poser 4 serial no. when it requested it before I could upgrade and give them my credit card to buy poser 5. Funny it worked to make the order. But not to get poser 5 registered and working for me. Unlike Nighthawk I had no problem getting into CL's site and getting to the registration page. My system is custom built and fairly powerful unfortunatly not powerful enough for poser 5 though lol. Oh and for all of you people out there saying well just call tech support...come on get real and get a life. We pay for a program have legit copy's of the real meta creations product earlier version and Curious labs version and when we cough up money and get a serial no., we still can't use it without going through some hocus pocus registration process that doesn't work and leaves us with vapor ware. Put a dongle on the darn thing if you think the program is that much sought after buy the warez peeps. I don't see why I have to go through so much trouble e mailing and phone calling someone to get my hard earned money to work for me. It should work right out of the box with serial no provided. Especially since they needed version 4's serial for the upgrade...duh sounds pretty simple to me......

Ahh wdupre the full version of the program would only work as long as your hard drive and system stays stable and working, eventually it will have to be reinstalled. And as far as burning it how do you do that. Unless you want to burn off the windows registry and a whole lot of other junk I don't think it is going to work very well. It's just the nature of the game buy badly coded software and get stuck with it. No one in the software industry wants to give back your money even if the product you buy is total useless. I have True Space 5, don't even use it it's that buggy and bad at times on my machine. I paid almost 600 dollars for it and can't get my money back. Imagine buying a TV or real product that was defective and upon trying to return it was told, sorry we don't take back products after the purchase. How would you feel. It's really not that much different with software that doesn't deliver as far as I'm concerned. Just one of the things we have to live with. And thank god we have forums so others can make educated decisions before they too fall victim to this bull.....:)

Ah boy I wish I had read this thread more earlier. This is for ENTROPIC.....:) You my friend are a major .....ah how can I put this ahhh Bevis Butt Head...nahhhh working for Curious labs are we. I mean how eles could someone put out such mind boggling dribble, and making absolutly no sense what so ever and think to get away with it. Everything Timoteo1 said is factual and very well written. He is correct Poser 5 is nothing more than Poser 4 with some geez whiz gadgets thrown in. That was my initial impression. According to Entropic it's like lets say you go to the garage to get your car worked on and the mech say's I don't know what I'm doing so I'm going to charge you and fix your car but cause more problems than you had before you walked in because I'm learning and need the money and you say ok....geez go for it you pour soul. I mean come on get real is this individual for real or what. Picking on the guy for stating glaring problems within the program and calling it sour grapes or venting is just plain off the wall crazy........

Ok and to you the silly one above me called CyberStretch....and boy is this a cyberstretch. I don't give a Rat's......you know what about ego or ranting in general. The program didn't say anything about this registration garbage untill I opened the box and read that's right read the manual. And then it causes major havoc on my system when all was just reinstalled and running well. I took it off thinking things would go back to normal and nooooooooo. It's still messed my browser up. So kiss poser and shut up.....I am tired of all the people giving me crap over this when I think I have a right to vent. I don't mind pointing out flaws for fixing but this is not a flaw and I don't want this version period....! I just want my MTV. lol.....I want this system back the way it was is that too much to ask.

Hey soulhuntre.....you don't even want to hear this...! Actually I won't waste my time even talking to a dizz like yourself. One check your spelling it makes you look stupid. And Two You want evidence how about I spam your butt with my screen shots.......! Arrrrrrrrgh Can I reach into the computer now and choke some more dorks who can talk the talk but not walk the walk. Oh and yes you are correct we are really lying here and just trying to stir up trouble over a program that my finance loves...get a life! Now that I have your attention read down to my next thread. Waves to Ironbear...:) long time no see ole friend too bad it has to be under these circumstances lol. Well Steve I am sorry that I and some off us vented so much about the program. I really did intend on coming off a little bit more professional and in a different way. And I agree with you I just want it to work lol. But.... One as to your statement to Golden about the Poser 5 doing something scary to our computers. No it's not scary it's down right invasive and iritates me. I really don't like the security check on the CL website to register and get my newest version working. I never did like that kind of protect my software kinda of thinking. Because it usually ends up hurting the registered bonifide customers more than it hurts the Warez kiddies and hackers ok. It's an unnessary pain and doesn't protect anyone. (Ok my complaint)..To put this whole thing in a nutshell. I install the program.....I go to their site, I enter my code then I am asked to enter my Poser 4 code. I do this and I get their is a problem with you registration code please contact tech support. I double checked my entries and tried numerous times but the same thing. I then attempt to log into renderosity only to find out I can only access the Marketplace and Poser 5 stuff. (Yes Only Poser 5 Stuff) I have most of the links to the right of the site missing and no matter what I click on it just loads up the Marketplace front page and from their I can browse around, no where eles. And yes to those who have suggested using another browser it's all the same Mozzila etc. I have them installed and the same thing. I guess that rules out the browser being the problem eh. Screen shots can be provided using both IE and Mozzila upon request lol. The only cure for this problem seems to be a complete reinstall of my machine. Does anyone think that this is acceptable or funny? I don't just work with poser I also have been dabbling with some really nice modeling programs and I actually thought I might be able to use some of the stuff in Poser....:( But that's not the point I have some major programs and some low level ones that are really cool like Bryce and they haven't invaded my machine and banned me from my own galleries here or caused havoc with my code. That's right my code. I bought Windows 2000 full version and I don't like anyone messing with the system, it's mine and I feel like I have a right to have complete access to it's functions. And this is just the minor beef. I played with Poser 5 (still have the 7 days left before it becomes vapor)and didn't like what I saw. Extremely slow render process, almost pathetic excuse for rendering time actually...Ok it was real slow..........lol. And the interface with the ugly windows looking file icon's really turned me off lol. And the characters are not desirable at all. My system is not slow....dual Pentium Flip chips running clocked at 1 Gig-a-hertz with a pro 3d labs card, 80 gig Maxtor drive and 1 gig of ram. Ok that's it I done venting. All I can say Is this program is going back. I don't want it. The security part is really what bugs me the most. This is not Lightwave or 3D Studio Max. OK it's Poser and it's cheap and well was kinda cool to play with. I understand CL's need to want to protect their investment but this is not the way to do it. And it does appear a whole lot like renderosity and Curious Labs has joined code forces to enforce this farce. Anyone eles have something stupid to say about why this is happening on my machine and others? I love the program but hey, I still have version 4 and I am sure other major modeling programs can pick up the slack if this software fails. Also as much as I love Renderosity I had better not find out they are involved with this problem also and providing code or whatever to CL to cause this. I can find other community's to hang out in or create my own. I am sure that I am not the only one to feel this way. Yes I am only one person so who cares right. Probably the many others who may be silent feeling the same way or having the same problem. The scope of what is happening here and what I'm trying to say is way to complex to put into words but I'm sure eventually everyone is going to be bitten by this bug rest assured.

Well let me just reply to this long winded suck it in your shorts buddy reply. One I have ample experience with bugs. I beta tested MSN many years ago when I was one of the first members. I also have a top admin in networking in NY State checking out my system. This so called bug your referring to is deep coded in the heart of the windows system. Not your typical bug. Bugs don't normally trash your code so bad that you have to reinstall the entire system just to get back to square one. Also the bug originated from me having to go through their stupid registration process to protect their superior product full of bugs! Which of course did not even go though...after 4 tries. Hello! Are we on the same planet! Also this is a Meta Creations Product.. Curious labs has done no upgrades except to linking to their site Ok.. This is the first upgrade and I have never had one so unstable. And I have owned Version 1, 2, 3 and 4. Never had bugs like this before......! Yeah I'm upset I just spent big bucks getting my system back online only to have it trashed with one program in less than an hour. Oh by the way Bill do you have their phone no.... If anyone wants to go through this hell just to check out a version of poser that is totally inferior to the older product well then go for it that's all I'm going to say. Anyone else that want's to trash my knowledge and call me a cry baby and that I should accept a program that demands me to get a key code just to use it and then find out it wreaks my system hey go for it. I shouldn't be the only one suffering on this one lol. Oh yeah I don't have any Poser 4 Bugs either........! It works fine. And man does it render fast. I'm not trying to be to overly critical here but shoot it trashed my entire software ok...... I think that this so called bug is major and the program should not have been released period. If they wanted money than they could have asked the art community for help/..Hell I would have gave them some just to keep going. I just feel like they took on a program that they were not capable of handling and now we all suffer for it.

Ohhhhhhh! Boy I have a dozzy here. Ahem how do I start this off. Mad at Curious labs is an understatement. Let's just say it totally trashed my computer system or my copy of IE 6. I just rebuilt from a bad motherboard and after two weeks to get it up and running again I installed poser 5 excitedly hoping to check out this new great program. This is my experience. One I had to enter my code to get it activated, which of course transported me to the poser 5 web site. I then had to enter my previous poser 4 serial no. but instead of getting a your cleared......yes you have an original poser verified installation enjoy your new program I got a....their is a problem with the verification please contact tech support. I then went back to the program to check it out and found it 20 times slower than poser 4 at rendering and did not like the interface at all. The file garbage has to go! I finally gave up and went to or tried to go to renderosity only to find out that I can now no longer get into renderosity. I keep getting a Error including template."/home/poser/public_html/gallery.ez". I can go anywhere on the web it seems but not renderosity.... What has Curious labs done to my access to renderosity? I am typing this out on my other machine that thank god doesn't have the latest version of poser on it. I have uninstalled IE 6 back to 5 and reinstalled IE 6 only to find out I still have the same problem. Hmm a total system reinstall after all this work just to get it back up and running.......Grrrrrrrrr. So as a warning to anyone running windows 2000 beware! And to you beta testers.....shame on you I was under the asumption you had this version checked out and yet you none of you ran into any problems of this magnitude! I don't like my system being toy'd with. My system is dual 1 ghz proc's .....1 gig of ram and the latest 3d labs graphics card. It did not come cheap and I don't appreciate curious labs messing with it! To whomever I read about comparing Curious Labs Poser to the programs used creating Final Fantasy........please give me a break. It costs over $300 and it doesn't work ok......! Final Fantasy worked but they went bankrupt right where I see Curious Labs Going. Following the footsteps of Final Fantasy....except Final Fantasy actually worked. And where is the freakin phone no at curious labs......been disconnected? They trash my browser trying to register the darn program and leave me with no way to contact them besides e mail or fax...Which by from what I have been reading from other forums they don't even answer anyway! So I'm back to poser 4 and stickin with DAZ and I just would like to say Meta Creations Great product wish you hadn't went away........! Oh and has anyone noticed that Curious Labs has not done any upgrades with poser since the buyout from Meta Creations and now this trash they call no 5!...............Yeah I'm pissed!

Ohhhhhhh! Boy I have a dozzy here. Ahem how do I start this off. Mad at Curious labs is an understatement. Let's just say it totally trashed my computer system or my copy of IE 6. I just rebuilt from a bad motherboard and after two weeks to get it up and running again I installed poser 5 excitedly hoping to check out this new great program. This is my experience. One I had to enter my code to get it activated, which of course transported me to the poser 5 web site. I then had to enter my previous poser 4 serial no. but instead of getting a your cleared......yes you have an original poser verified installation enjoy your new program I got a....their is a problem with the verification please contact tech support. I then went back to the program to check it out and found it 20 times slower than poser 4 at rendering and did not like the interface at all. The file garbage has to go! I finally gave up and went to or tried to go to renderosity only to find out that I can now no longer get into renderosity. I keep getting a Error including template."/home/poser/public_html/gallery.ez". I can go anywhere on the web it seems but not renderosity.... What has Curious labs done to my access to renderosity? I am typing this out on my other machine that thank god doesn't have the latest version of poser on it. I have uninstalled IE 6 back to 5 and reinstalled IE 6 only to find out I still have the same problem. Hmm a total system reinstall after all this work just to get it back up and running.......Grrrrrrrrr. So as a warning to anyone running windows 2000 beware! And to you beta testers.....shame on you I was under the asumption you had this version checked out and yet you none of you ran into any problems of this magnitude! I don't like my system being toy'd with. My system is dual 1 ghz proc's .....1 gig of ram and the latest 3d labs graphics card. It did not come cheap and I don't appreciate curious labs messing with it! To whomever I read about comparing Curious Labs Poser to the programs used creating Final Fantasy........please give me a break. It costs over $300 and it doesn't work ok......! Final Fantasy worked but they went bankrupt right where I see Curious Labs Going. Following the footsteps of Final Fantasy....except Final Fantasy actually worked. And where is the freakin phone no at curious labs......been disconnected? They trash my browser trying to register the darn program and leave me with no way to contact them besides e mail or fax...Which by from what I have been reading from other forums they don't even answer anyway! So I'm back to poser 4 and stickin with DAZ and I just would like to say Meta Creations Great product wish you hadn't went away........! Oh and has anyone noticed that Curious Labs has not done any upgrades with poser since the buyout from Meta Creations and now this trash they call no 5!...............Yeah I'm pissed!

Well spoken Rad....This community is so full of diversity and an amazing blend of people. We get mad together we laugh together we bond and create art together. It's really one huge city of like minded people with a few exceptions lol...and is so addicting that I can never imaging going anywhere eles. In fact alot of places on the web are probably noticing my absence since these days I only spend them here..lol.. The sensitivity level here is high because of our passion for what we do and that brings on alot of troubles sometimes but is sure fun to actually experience these feelings together... I have never seen anything like it...This community is a treasure like no other...I guess we just have to expect the unexpected take the bruises as they land and pick ourselves up with a little help from our friends and dust our selves off and go back to doing what we all love to do....create art and enjoy others viewing it....;) Good to have you back Tam.....!

Yes Rad is right Dwight.....What I do is render large my characters in Poser like 1000 to 1600 in Poser with no background imported...I than save and open the file in Photoshop and do one of two things either open the background image I want to use and copy paste the poser image into it as a layer or click on the poser background and paste everything from the background image into the poser image.....then when done with the post work I try to resize it down without losing too much detail for viewing....;)