GGreen posted at 12:07 PM Thu, 19 September 2024 - #4489499

There has several converters that work really well and they are at the Daz Store. They convert some G8 to G9 characters. I too was against using G9, there are some strange things going on with it, but as new figures come out for G9 I try them and if I like them I use them.

There are also some 3rd party products that convert the mesh and the textures as well, they cost more but does the job. I think Wrap4 (zwrap if you have zbrush) will convert the mesh and Ultimate Unwrap3D pro will convert skins. Those products require you to put the meshes in the same pose or shape to work and hide/move the eyes, eyelashes and teeth so it doesn't mess up the conversion. 

DocPhoton posted at 9:56 PM Thu, 19 September 2024 - #4489531

Might you have some screenshots or rendered examples Male_M3dia ?

An 8 or 8.1 rig is entirely different from the 9 series when exported out via FBX; # of bones, weighting, etc., so always thought it a bit of like unbaking a cake.

But doing the conversion within DS prior to, makes it a different story.

I don't have renders of the gens issues, you'd have to go back the 'rotica forum for examples. But the issue was not with the rig, it was with scaling for the rig. I believe if you applied the gens to a creature/character (like one of RawArt's characters or characters that scaled over 103%)  that was larger than the base G8M the gens would load in the wrong spot and be warped. Meipe did provide fixes for those characters that had the issues. The hot fixes provided may not be in the product but in the forum posts that address the issue. Meipe provided the breast solution for G9 (and i believe included it in the download... i'd have to redownload it and check) because it would be impossible to do every single breast morph because everyone tinkers with them and then some vendors do custom shapes as well.

I play around with the gens from time to time, but usually I use the base gens for G8/G9 and do my own custom morphs.

gohanf22 posted at 9:54 AM Thu, 19 September 2024 - #4489491

.  Geografts have bene atrocious to use, like for one Breastacular can't even use well on g9.  Meipe already said that with it being a UNIMESH, you can only use breastacular's morphs only.  If you use other morphs, it screws it all up and makes it deformed.  Oh well, guess I will just keep using g8 and wait till g10 and heres hoping they return to normal and separate the female and male meshes...

Meipe did post some instructions on how use your morphs with breastacular in the 'rotica forums if you need to combine. It is a little bit of work, but i don't think the process is any different than getting the male gens product for G8 to work with other male shapes that had a different scale than the default one.  But the vendor has been very good with support with other shapes. But between DS and blender you can get what you need for your characters.

If you do a google search, you will find some links that tell you how to do it using the transfer tool within DS, including a link found in the daz forums. You may need to do some tweaking using something like blender. I moved a G9 shape back to G8M using the transfer tool. If you wrote your thread using the same tone you used here, then that's probably why the thread was deleted. 

What was the last character you installed? I would check the current morphs that are loaded on the figure; there is probably a morph set up to load with a value of 1 (or 100%) from improperly set limits when the character was saved. 

No problem! Oh and I meant to say that Ultimate Unwrap 3D will convert skins to G9. I did a few conversions of between of G2/G3/G8 skins to G9 to try to build up my rendering library when G9 was released. You may need to do some photoshop editing for the nipples (for the males).. which is why I said the Cayman or Sickleyield products would probably be easier.

You may have a few options. If your G3 skin is not the Base Female or Male UV, you could use Map Transfer to convert it and get one of the products by Cayman or Sickleyield to map the skin to G9. If it is the base UV then you could directly use those products without conversion.

I just happened to find a product that I forgot I bought called "ultimate unwrap 3d pro" which does conversions from G2 to G8. You would need to save an obj file to disk with all of the textures for the source and an obj for the target and the program projects the textures. The only issue with that product is that both the objects need to be the same shape and make sure as much of the mesh is exposed (open mouth, spread fingers and toes). Also you would need to move eyes from the base mesh on G3/G8 so it doesn't smear the textures. So it's a bit of work to get started, but does convert the textures. The product does have a tutorial on their website that explains most of the process. ("Tutorial 3 for Repainting Mesh UVs (Texture Transfer)")

The first option would probably be the easiest. 

I'm not totally sure what you're asking, but I would check the readme first on how you are able to distribute the merchant resource as your own morph or contact the vendor. If the license says that in order to distribute the new morph you would combine them into a single morph with a new name, you would need to name the eye morph that you changed to match the name of the morph that you are going to distribute, with the property group the same. 

So if you have a morph named "MyHeadMorph" in "Actor/Head/People/Masculine", you would name your eye morph "MyHeadMorph" and set the property group as "Actor/Head/People/Masculine". So when you set the dial in Genesis 9, the eye morph will automatically dial up.

wolf359 posted at 10:08AM Sun, 03 January 2021 - #4409289

We learned nothing new from the Post except that Daz has apparently officially stated that DSON is no longer being developed..period

DSON is active, as it's what is the scripting language/scene notation for DAZ Studio. You all mean the "DSON Importer for Poser" which is the plug in; that's what's not being developed.

Sarsifas posted at 10:31AM Mon, 10 August 2020 - #4396504

jestmart posted at 8:45AM Mon, 10 August 2020 - #4396411

The EULA agreement change was when they switched to DIM and zip files. The old installers required agreeing to EULA built in to them before continuing.

The last EULA change I recall was several years ago when DAZ tried jumping into the 3D printing market. They restricted everyone's accounts and you couldn't download your purchased files until you agreed to the new terms that they sprung on us with absolutely no warning. I had never encountered that before or since, and I've been a daily visitor to the site for well over a decade.

The rest of us have accounts over at DAZ as well and I've had mine for over a decade; and this is happened multiple times. Again this is because the eula is part of the installer that you would have to agree to once for all your downloads, not every time when you installed content with the old content. Again, this is consolidating and streamlining installations. I don't miss having to run multiple installers to install bundles or multiple products that I purchased which is now several gigs in size. I just let the installer download the gigs of content, back them up and do the actual installation later. And your "Daz history" is just opinion, especially when there developments over the last few years in both figures, content management and installation was to make the experience easier NOT harder.

wolf359 posted at 6:19AM Mon, 10 August 2020 - #4396462

Not sure how "open" the source is when you can not have a stand alone installer that you can archive & share as you can with Blender installers.

Well if you set up DIM not to delete the installer files you can back those up. Also there are fewer things that you can send to blender than you could with other bridges because of the license.

Like the exact post on 'rotica... it comes down to centralizing, resources and amount of support. It makes more sense to set things up so it's easier to support and install (though it will never be perfect for everyone) and use those freed resources for development.

Megan Markle?

wolf359 posted at 2:11PM Fri, 08 May 2020 - #4388540

I am now confused though, if there were "no such thing" as HD morphs for Genesis 2 how are these " HD Aging morphs" created and visible in open GL not rendered as a normal map needs to be

HD was at the end of Genesis 2 and the beginning of 3. But the point was, you didn't create your initial morph on a high poly mesh, it's always been the base mesh and that continues to be the case.

EldritchCellar posted at 6:47AM Fri, 08 May 2020 - #4388475

Jeez. I'm reading old forum posts over at daz about non PAs not being given access to the tools to create HD morphs for Genesis... not really sure that level of control over user customization or creativity is very appealing to me. Seems like the Genesis meshes are pretty low poly (although very nicely modeled), in particular in the face region. I personally don't mind sculpting morphs for medium res meshes but being locked out of the options by design and options being for only a select few is distasteful.

The biggest shift in using any low poly mesh is learning how to work with a ow poly mesh. You would start by creating your shape in it's base resolution then when you are done, you create your details. In Genesis 1 and 2 there was no such thing as an HD morphs so you would need to create a normal map for those details. But like a normal map, those details don't really exist in HD morphs; thus it's just different method of creating a detail pass, with some caveats added which is why the tool is in-house for PAs. So no you don't need that HD method to make details on your morphs, just subdvide, export and sculpt in your program of choice, then create the normal map. So even if you are a PA, you would still continue to make a normal map for your character, especially if you want it exported to another program.

So how many polys a figure has is not really that important as how you're able to sculpt a base form on it.

Also everything in DS or any other program revolves about the base mesh, not any subdivided version. So you would make clothing, and morphs against a unsubdivided mesh.

Then the version of genesis depend on what you want to do. I've been working with genesis since the first version and each version has different set of strengths. Really the only reason to use Genesis 1 if you're creating creatures that need both a male and female. Making female clothing was difficult as you had to build on the androgynous shape and try to model in the fit for the various characters with the breasts. Again, if you wanted clothing for both genders if may be easier than doing two sets of clothing, but you would definitely struggle through making fits for all the female characters. You'll notice that clothing for that generation wasn't very detailed because you basically had to make two sets of clothing (one with breasts and one without) then try to fit it to the female character shapes without warping things such as buttons. Also add in that the characters didn't end up truly male or female with dead eye expressions. So out of the generations, genesis 1 has the worst looking human characters including any that you tried to import. Those two reasons were why the genders were split for Genesis 2.

Genesis 3 and 8 changed the weight map method to an industry standard to it can be exported to other programs better. Also because of the changes, JCMs are used more for bending. (When you are making clothing there should be a button in the parameters to turn off the jcms). Also by then the tools have changed to make it easier to do jcms for bending and also revert parts of morphs and split them. Genesis 8 has a more diverse set of morphs including more than one black male character and hindu characters as well. That and the changing of the starting poses are the major changes between the generations.

The version you want to use is a matter of taste, but really the biggest reason I use genesis is that I'm able to make full body custom morphs and they're able to fit the clothing for that generation easily without the clothing maker making any fits for it. That means (especially since the majority of my characters are male) I can create, short tall, thin, fat and teen characters without contacting vendors to see if they can make a clothing fit for it, which only happen one time for a set that used to be on sale here. So I spend time playing with sculpting different shapes or adding modifications to existing one, creating any JCMs for bending with that shape and I'm ready to render.

Torquinox posted at 4:34PM Tue, 28 April 2020 - #4387627

We don't know anything about the OP's system. Really, all we know is the OP tried the free Octane plugin and liked it. Problems in the video and sample renders may or may not have anything to do with the renderer. It makes sense to seek other reviews and maybe give the plugin a try. That last part is a hassle, but it's the only way to truly know.

The OP said he/she had a powerful system. And if they liked the free plugin and suggested that others try it, well that's probably should have been said instead of making a flawed review. For the narrow application that was stated, this shouldn't have been a review. But certainly others can try it as their mileage may vary. But for my experience, I wasn't happy with it and I paid several hundred in the initial cost and upgrades and didn't get my money's worth. (Considering I had to pay for Octane and the DAZ plugin) I know the work in the plugin was taken over by a different developer than the one that initially developed it, but Otoy offered no type of incentive to continue using it as they wanted full upgrade price for the less buggy plugin despite the bugs the current user base encountered. By that time, iray was doing much better than the DAZ Studio plugin of Octane so I switched to that and I have no real issues moving forward.