So. Watching the thread a lot of the usual stuff happening, fairly predictable actually. :) However, for the record, I love Pauline. I plan on using her rather extensively after I get through my holiday rush of comic production. I find she bends very well despite some claiming otherwise. I find her a suitable replacement for V4 in my runtimes thus far especially with the addition of Morphs and a conversion kit for clothing. I would like to see more skins and content but tis early in the process. I don't see any of the issues in rigging that folks speak of either but hey I'm new to it.

The thing I tell myself when a new figure comes out and I've tried about all of them as they came out cause I'm avid in trying new things and seeing what they can do. So I've tried everything from V4, Genesis, Gen2, Gen3, Dawn, Scarlett, the default Poser figures like Alysoun, Roxie, Miki, and beyond. One unalienable fact remains, each figure had issues when it came out. I find that Pauline had fewer issues IMHO.

So I'm willing to support the figure and see how she develops out, I am not willing to judge a figure because of who produced it, what program it works in, or a lot of other religious fervor that overcomes folks :) Why? Cause we are a community of 3d artists that use a lot of different programs to create art and content. Should it matter really in the end? No. Divergent opinions and views are great for learning , for seeing other sides of things, for opening our eyes to new possiblities, to dare to explore, ... tis what we humans are good at. However, we are also good with destructive behaviours of tearing things down just cause they don't match our worldview... I find I reject this model. I prefer to be constructive in my criticisms I prefer to see the good, the bad, the ugly, the not so ugly... and I prefer to adapt and share in the spirit of a sharing, can do, exploration, and enjoying the company of great folk that just want to create art without tearing down other folks in the process. :)

Anyways, enough said, carry on, I need to go and do paying work, and go and play with Pauline (hrm that didn't come off right does it) ;)

FIltering is in need of a looksie in general ... as often the filters that are in place don't actually fliter properly and leak stuff in... which is more of a data issue actually. The other problem is that they are a bit unwieldy to pinpoint things at times. Sometimes the wording has to be to exact in the search criteria ... and it doesn't really take multiple words for a search to well either.

Also as I said filtering is a tad unwieldy and unintuitive... I sort of gotten used to it. I would like the ability to save a preset of a filter I have set up or be able to do so that would allow me to alter my experience or make it simpler for me to find what I want ...

Never noticed that before. It would be better to show the icon of who it was sent to rather than who it was sent from in this instance in the Sent folder... cause you can I think be sure that if it is in your Sent folder you actually were the one that sent it :) Unless of course the gremlins get into the system... and then all bets are off ;)

In all seriousness having who you sent it to is better reference than the current state.

Desperation.

KimberlyC posted at 2:52PM Wed, 26 August 2015 - #4224365

Thank you for the info you have provided. Do you think you would be able to provide sites that take the health issues into account? We are interested in looking into this type of situation more. :)

Talk to Pip she would have more data on actual sites than I do. I don't have the condition. Sure there are other folks here with such information for you as well. I just know of the problem folks with it face and had to change my own site for it in the past. I am re-familiarizing myself with the ins and outs of it and designing a site with it in mind. I'll have her and others look at it when the POC is ready to see if it meets their needs or not. But she would know far better which sites to suggest to be helpful for you to look into.

Oh and in the interests of completeness. I don't know your code base to give you specific suggestions beyond the outlines of what is considered in "general" for folks with this condition. However, the last go around on my site I had the ability to change the theme of the entire site from a drop-down. This was based upon the user profile in the database that they could change when they wanted through their account settings. What this check did was load a specific a specific CSS file that ruled the entire site for them until they changed it. We developed a CSS specific to the person in question that had the issue.

I will also point out that my skill set tends to be stronger coding wise on backend, middleware, db, etc. I can do UI but it is not my strong point, but as a site owner and developer I made myself aware of stuff or it was made aware to me. So I researched and fine tuned with the person to make sure that we could do what we could do. Solution wasn't entirely perfect but it made it a lot better for her. I usually have my UI Stuff after I do a proof of concept vetted by an expert in UI design they are a unique skill set and of course the end users.

hopeandlove posted at 12:26PM Wed, 26 August 2015 - #4224300

creativeguy59 posted at 9:37AM Wed, 26 August 2015 - #4224259

KimberlyC posted at 7:16AM Wed, 26 August 2015 - #4224201

creativeguy: It is good to see that members are concerned about others. Hope did not at all take a way that Pip has a health condition and that the site seems to be effecting that. I am very sure that Hope took note of this issue and will bring it up to the programmers. But, we can not make any change at a split second. Issues are brought up to the rest of the team first before any action is taken.

Please do not paint admin or any staff member as uncaring as that is not true. All of our staff care about the community. If you think about it, site coordinators are volunteers. They donate their own time (a lot) to this site because they want to help others and make this site better.

Thank you for your input and please know that we are working on making the site a better place for everyone.

I don't believe anywhere I stated this needed to be this split second, those would be your words Kimberly, nor did I convey that had to be fixed this instant. :) I did convey that you guys need to take it more seriously than you apparently have after basically not replying to multiple threads in a manner that seemed to reflect the seriousness of the matter. I will, however, will say what I feel and what the pattern of behavior reflects. That is my right really to do so. Do I believe you all are ebil devils? Nope. Do I expect certain things from an admin staff, having had my experience being and admin, having dealt with many admin groups over the years on a variety of sites, having reasonable expectations of what to expect from a company that accepts folks money? Yeah. I do have the right to those expectations of conduct. If you look at the history of the general topic threads (multiples).... and general fact as of the writing of these topics the admin staff has not contacted Pip or others I know personally about this matter. You paint yourselves into the light that you are asking me not to. Doing so shows that you take them serious, not doing so gives the perception that you do not. The word I'd use most is you've gotten to jaded to complaints on one hand and other cases to sensitive to teh complaints. Both cases can produce interesting results and actually fairly normal reaction and defense mechanism result. You just need to be aware that it is happening.

Perceptions are a funny basis and I try to avoid it but that is what the facts and pattern leads up to. I believe I have been more than fair in my postings, actually, many people think I'm being to fair and have entirely written you folks off and ask me why I bother. I actually don't hold any rancor to any of you. I do have a bit of a problem when folks approach try to pull the wool over my eyes on technical issues that I'm well aware of how things work, tools out there, site design, ad blocker, etc.

As I said earlier as well I don't believe specifically it was Hope's intent in her wording but the wording was not good, so you might want to re-read the posting I made for clarity. I want that on the record.

I have sat in your seat. I have coded sites. I am currently coding a site and doing my research. I have run a business. I work in tech. I get all of it. So I think I have a rather unique perspective of seeing all the angles of the events and situation. So if I hold you, the admin and owners of this site, to a certain standard. I think that isn't an unreasonable expectation.

Hey @creativeguy-- As Kimberly noted, please don't keep saying we're uncaring. It seems that members keep stating that we're not listening, but over the past week, the site has greatly improved because we listened to you guys and took your suggestions into consideration. If we were uncaring, we would have just fixed bugs and major issues and ignored the rest, but we haven't.

As a Community Manager, I am an overall caring person and if I could, I'd like to help everyone, but unfortunately, I'm unable to do so.

Therefore, I ask you these questions: how would you improve the site in order to help members with dyslexia or other health issues? What suggestions can you present that would eliminate members from feeling ill? Please provide me with some insight. Thanks so much!

Okay. Up into posting last night my perception based on the stuff as explained previously was this wasn't being taken seriously as an issue. I am who I am as you are who you are. Perception is everything but mine was based on the facts of how until now no serious statement/discussion was made on it. Actions in the end speak very much louder than words and I wasn't seeing action that indicated that this was taken up. Hence my actual viewpoint... just explaining. For the record, I think that the admin staff is caring in general, you in particular seem like a sweet person, as does Boni, KrisiS, I don't have enough data to work on others in your staff. Let us just agree that we have a perception difference that I hope gets resolved.... I am what I am. I do not equivocate I say what I mean, I'm bluntly honest... I know that can be hard to take at times.

Anyways we digress from the actual real issue:

I will now provide some links to familiarize yourself with the specific condition Pip has and others have, but there are more than just Meares Irlen Syndrome that can crop up.
I used to have a few better ones when I ran into this with folks using my site a while back but in my new research drive for my new site I started looking into UI Design for this case again to refresh myself. These are what I have on hand to study but looking for more but more importantly talking to folks with the condition like Pip.

First Site

2nd Site

3rd Site

Some general information and also some data on what a site needs to do ... I found it an interesting set of read and I'm digesting it with other design factors for my site. Now that being posted for links as a start. Not all folks so inflicted are the same ... some things work for one and not others. What you need to do is talk to them individually through email and engage them to be able to help you more and explain what I've been reading. You need to find the happy ground that makes it manageable. That is exactly what I did last time I was running a site, I researched and engaged people with the condition or problems directly to fine tune and see what I could do to make it less of a chore on them ... can't be perfect but ... it can get a lot better. That is what I am now doing with my new site as the UI design evolves (extremely basic now but research is what I need to do on brushing some rusty off the old noggin skills). So talk to Pip and others this I highly recommend.

Please tell me if you have issues with the links I did test them prior to committing this post and they worked but.... I have them offline in my research files for my project.

KimberlyC posted at 7:16AM Wed, 26 August 2015 - #4224201

creativeguy: It is good to see that members are concerned about others. Hope did not at all take a way that Pip has a health condition and that the site seems to be effecting that. I am very sure that Hope took note of this issue and will bring it up to the programmers. But, we can not make any change at a split second. Issues are brought up to the rest of the team first before any action is taken.

Please do not paint admin or any staff member as uncaring as that is not true. All of our staff care about the community. If you think about it, site coordinators are volunteers. They donate their own time (a lot) to this site because they want to help others and make this site better.

Thank you for your input and please know that we are working on making the site a better place for everyone.

I don't believe anywhere I stated this needed to be this split second, those would be your words Kimberly, nor did I convey that had to be fixed this instant. :) I did convey that you guys need to take it more seriously than you apparently have after basically not replying to multiple threads in a manner that seemed to reflect the seriousness of the matter. I will, however, will say what I feel and what the pattern of behavior reflects. That is my right really to do so. Do I believe you all are ebil devils? Nope. Do I expect certain things from an admin staff, having had my experience being and admin, having dealt with many admin groups over the years on a variety of sites, having reasonable expectations of what to expect from a company that accepts folks money? Yeah. I do have the right to those expectations of conduct. If you look at the history of the general topic threads (multiples).... and general fact as of the writing of these topics the admin staff has not contacted Pip or others I know personally about this matter. You paint yourselves into the light that you are asking me not to. Doing so shows that you take them serious, not doing so gives the perception that you do not. The word I'd use most is you've gotten to jaded to complaints on one hand and other cases to sensitive to teh complaints. Both cases can produce interesting results and actually fairly normal reaction and defense mechanism result. You just need to be aware that it is happening.

Perceptions are a funny basis and I try to avoid it but that is what the facts and pattern leads up to. I believe I have been more than fair in my postings, actually, many people think I'm being to fair and have entirely written you folks off and ask me why I bother. I actually don't hold any rancor to any of you. I do have a bit of a problem when folks approach try to pull the wool over my eyes on technical issues that I'm well aware of how things work, tools out there, site design, ad blocker, etc.

As I said earlier as well I don't believe specifically it was Hope's intent in her wording but the wording was not good, so you might want to re-read the posting I made for clarity. I want that on the record.

I have sat in your seat. I have coded sites. I am currently coding a site and doing my research. I have run a business. I work in tech. I get all of it. So I think I have a rather unique perspective of seeing all the angles of the events and situation. So if I hold you, the admin and owners of this site, to a certain standard. I think that isn't an unreasonable expectation.

hopeandlove posted at 9:57PM Tue, 25 August 2015 - #4224123

Hey Pip! Firstly, I'm really sorry about your illness and that you're not particularly fond of our new site.

If you wish to block ads, all you have to do is turn it off or add us to your safe list so it will show the ads when they are on our site. I understand your concerns and very sorry that you're having issues with our new site. I can see if this is an option to choose and get back to you. Our programmers are improving the site by fixing the bugs and major issues. We're considering all suggestions and like feedback about our site. So, thank you for providing yours.

If you have any specific questions you'd like us to answer, please let us know. Thanks, Pip!

I've been trying real hard to avoid the forums even cut back to a couple of times to read for a chuckle. I like to believe that the Admin really do understand stuff. It is really apparent though that isn't the case. So the nature of this post and what is problematic about it hope is this.

1. This isn't an issue of fondness though you did tell her you were sorry for her illness (kudos there)... but should have left out the issue of fondness. That isn't the case of what is going on and detracts from a real health issue. I don't really think you meant it that way. But the adminly habit has been that if someone speaks forcefully then it can't be serious... at least that is the feel I get.

2. The site has some real problems for folks that are visually impaired, or have conditions that impacted by visual stimuli such as being described by not just Pip but others. This is a real issue not an issue of fondness. I have had to deal with coding work on stuff like this in my checkered past. I am rusty as hell on those aspects but there are things that can be done. What I'd do though is engage Pip and others with these conditions behind the scenes not through the Forum. Actually, the fact is she has posted multiple times and others have as well and... each time folks either give platitudes, seem surprised when it comes up though been repeated multiple times, or actually entirely ignored. You need to research this as a staff and not ask your user base by the way to do that research for you. Your developers need to be made aware of these things as I dont' think it is a deliberate thing that you did. With all the noise on the site I think a lotta stuff slipped through the cracks because you guys just chalked it up to well they are just beefing over change (not the case in a some cases), or due to tone/emotion of being forceful, or because your just overloaded. End of story though is that this is a real issue that needs a real solution for those affected not platitudes.

3. For the record Pip can't use adblocker for some reasons stated and other reasons not stated. That never was the issue here. It isn't just about Ad's it is about the site design as whole in certain areas that trigger the condition.

4. And on a side note, whitelisting Rendo with Adblocker displays ads, why would she do that if she could when the ads are part of the problem? I have had zero issues with chrome with ad blocker and I know folks on other browsers. White listing means we see the ads we don't want to see. That is counter to the problem at hand with ads but wanted to state for the record it is kinda silly to post whitelisting rendo as a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, sorry had to be underscored. :)

Finally this isn't an issue of a simple bug fix like profile pictures not showing, upload stuff not working, etc... it is a health issue. Your programmers most likely do not have a clue about this as the conditions are not something they normally have to deal with. They are not that uncommon of conditions by the way. A lot of folks are actually undiagnosed. But it is a real condition and there are other families of them related to this same type of issue.

So I am actually challenging the Admin to prove what they are saying and go beyond and contact these people in question to gain the insight you need to make the site better as your saying you want to do so. I think you have it in you all, I'd like to hope so at least. :)

Rhiannon posted at 9:25PM Tue, 25 August 2015 - #4224126

Somebody, please tell me where are all these "ads" everyone keeps talking about? I've been the homepage, marketplace, galleries, and forums, and the only thing I see on my screen that even resembles an ad, is a banner at the top, which pretty much has always been there toward the top of every page, always. Does it have to do with what browser you're using or some setting I'm clueless about?

You might have an ad blocking software already installed or some browsers enable it ... or your antivirus may do it. Lot of things that strip this stuff out if your not aware that is is on. Which is not actually a bad thing.

I don't have an issue with ad blocker. Not sure anyone does. Ad blocker makes the site when I actually bother to go on these days... a lot easier to deal with then ad's all over the place that have no bearing on 3d or my interests. Got some downright freaky ads, and no I'm not looking for a sleep number bed either, or male enhancement stuff, or hair stuff, ... or or I think you get the point. So Ad Blocker been great for my sanity.

@4223259

If you use Chrome or Firefox you can use the Adblocker plugin, works nicely actually had to install it for my own sanity and I hate that stuff generally. IE and others sure there other options best bet is to do something like that. Works a charm.

@4223030

In interests of getting this resolved and a bit higher on the radar here is her (PipNBairns) thread: https://renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2892868

These are very real conditions for folks that do in fact cause migraines and other problems.