Oh my DAZ. I bought M3 today with the HiRes Maps and was really disappointed, when I saw the bump maps. At that price I assumed almost perfect maps, but... Body Hair must be white on a bump map. M3 has white Eyebrows (correct), but black hair on the chest and stomach. When you use this map, it looks like M3 has scars all over. The same aplies to the rest of the body hair. The bump map of the eye has black veines, but the veines should stick out. Makes me a little bit angry at that price. Who did the testing? - Walter

Couple of threads down I believe Marque posted a couple of pics of M3 using the hig res maps. Looked pretty damn good me. Have them in my cart now :)

Ahh, I understand now, sorry. Don't know about taking them into photoshop to check them, just know they look great on the model. Marque

Actually, in these renders it shows clearly what he means by the hairs being bumped the wrong way. It looke like they recede into his chest....hmmmm

Hmmm... apparently an error that wasn't caught... the fix is simple. Bring it into photoshop and invert the colors.

Looks great to me :)

Marque, from that camera angle you won't see a difference. Go back to your closeup of the chest using the Wet MAT

Now what is that smell? ;)

Marque there's a clear difference between your FIRST pic of the chest and the ones afte r you inverted them. Can't you see the hairs on your first pic go inward?`But on these later pics they bump just as they should. Yeah someone surely made a booboo here. While I COULD take them into Photoshop too, I expect an update.

Photoshop isn't necessary. You can invert the bump maps in Poser itself by setting the bump strength to a negative value.

DOH! Of course, L_D! I allways forget about the negative bump values. Thanks for waking me up :o) Still it's an error though...

Body hair's Z coordinates shouldn't be a function of bump mapping, period. However, the alternative would have to be an entire floating shell around the body and another around the head the way the eyebrows work, and a guarantee that all the head morphs influenced the "hairosphere" identically. The P5 dynamic hair patches seem to make more sense, but I don't know if they deform with their surfaces or not.

You know I don't know alot about the textures and such, but I do think I can see what is meant. I don't have m3 yet, but this thread has been interesting to me anyway, I learned something ;) Thanks guys!

duanemoody: Yes, P5's dynamic hair is affected by any morphs applied to the surface from which it grows. For instance, you can grow a beard on Michael's face and apply a Mimic pose, and the beard will still "conform" to the morphed face. That was one of my first tests of dynamic hair, actually, although I used the P4 Male instead of Michael.

Actually I was informed that it wasn't an error, was done that way for a reason. I personally don't see any difference between the original and the inverted. Marque

Did they say what reason? I see a noticeable difference. Uninverted, it looks like the hairs are grooved into the skin, rather than lying over it.

Well, I could invert the bump map for the body. That's true. BUT, the eye bump is also the wrong way round. So let's invert that too. The face map is more difficult. They desaturated the texture map and made the eyebrows white, but they didn't invert the rest. So where the stubble should be you see holes in the skin. So this is not simply inverted. By the way, I have the maps for Victor and they are correct. So this is definitely an error and I expect DAZ to correct that soon, even if you see it only in special situations.

I'm not demanding a refund or anything. I just want to know why they did it. They say they did it for a reason. I want to know what that reason is. Is there some advantage to this oddity, that we don't know about?

Well, to say 'we did it for a reason' is not enough for me. At least I would like to know the reason. As I said before, they did it different on Victor!