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Subject: New Poser Lip-Syncing Product


andrejacyshyn ( ) posted Thu, 25 September 2003 at 6:54 PM ยท edited Mon, 18 November 2024 at 6:07 PM

Attached Link: New Poser Lip-Syncing Product

Has anyone seen the new lip-syncing product from posertoolbox.com, its got some great demos and features and its only $49?


pdxjims ( ) posted Thu, 25 September 2003 at 7:41 PM

Their site is frankly crap. Many links just give a "forbidden" message. I am VERY interested in the text-to speech option, and I'd probably buy the product just to get that part (so long as I could get male voices, their demos are all female). Most of the text-to-speech stuff I've worked with before has a very mechanical sound to it. Their demos sound pretty good. Interesting... but I don't think they're ready for release yet.


Nance ( ) posted Thu, 25 September 2003 at 8:05 PM

I'm getting "Forbidden" at the main link now.


richardnovak77 ( ) posted Thu, 25 September 2003 at 10:22 PM

it works for me. honestly i don't see their product any better than lip synch, but the price is stunning. good find!


See ( ) posted Fri, 26 September 2003 at 1:01 PM

You can get Mimic 1 from Daz3d for $2. I bought it a few years ago for $300. I just got Mimic 2 Pro and it is for real. I love it. By the way, it isn't a text to speech program, which is why it would have sounded so good. You record the speech, I do it using a logitech USB microphone connected to a laptop in a quite room. It is a sound to lip and face animation program. The first of its type was Mimic from a company called Lipsinc. It was a UofSC startup. Daz3d bought all rights to the technology. The program analyses the sound file and a text file that you make that writes out what the sound file says. These are then used to make an animated pose file for poser. (The one on the link above might be an illegal knockoff. If not maybe they can explain it to us.)


andrejacyshyn ( ) posted Fri, 26 September 2003 at 1:27 PM

Attached Link: Re: New Poser Lip-Syncing Product is it a knockoff - I think not!

I'm not quite sure what you are alluding to but maybe a detailed explanation of how PoserToolbox works in in order. I too bought Mimic from Lipsinc a few years ago, I too bought Mimic 2 Pro, both fine products. We use a proprietary Artificial Neural Network/Hidden Markov Model (ANN/HMM) approach to audio analysis this for those that are not aware is the most technically advanced method of extracting Phoneme and Viseme information from audio recordings. As a veteran poser user some 4 to 5 years I have been continually frustrated by the way that both Mimic and Pro fail to animate all models (this may be changed by now but not in my version - also real the forums!) We introduced morph-mapping to allow the user to attach our morph animations to any part of a body, this guarantees anti-obsolescence. We have allow added multi audio mixing and merging, to enable you to create a sound composition similar to that used by multi media applications, we only lip-synch the file indicated as the Lips file. All other animations are generated automatically by our own algorithms, that are linked directly to the energy produced by the vocalisation (vocal chord vibration not sound volume) this enabled the production of rhythmical animations in time with the audio. The addition of TTS is purely following demand shown in the Poser Forums. Lipsinc approached a number of ANN/HMM technology provider in the early days to adopt the very same approach. Have you ever asked yourself the question that maybe, sometimes all things can be improved, and when you are the only player in the market (LipsInc/Daz) its only a matter of time until someone comes into your back yard. Technology, Algorithms and knowledge are not exclusive to a few, but everybody has the right to investigate, design and aspire. With your exclaimed suspicions, I find it strange that a user of a product, would take such a suspicious approach, unless you are more than a user? We are happy to explain our methodologies and motivations to anyone (subject to us not breeching our own secrets). Thank you for your comments, if it wasnt for improvements and advances wed all be still driving Model T fords theres progress eh!. PS. Maybe the gripe is some people will pay and have paid nearly $200 for a product that may now have at least a functional equivalent or indeed possibly better for a quarter of the price.


See ( ) posted Sun, 28 September 2003 at 1:10 PM

Thanks for the explaination. I was suspicious because of the things that happen in our world. Lipsinc went under, and sometimes things happen. Glad to hear you're out there improving this technology. I think it is really important technology. I am simple university professor using 3d graphics, character animation, including lip syncing; and, compositing software to render a virtual version of me to help students quickly learn senior and graduate level genetics. I would be happy to buy your product. I will study the advantages of your product again and most likely will buy it. I like what you say about being able to use it on any model not just some. Good luck, and make a great and then greater product.


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