Okay, I'm reposting this thumbnail from the freestuff. I'm sitting here, scrolling through the stuff, mom's in the room. BAM. I see this. I had to close the screen so she wouldn't accuse me of looking at porn. This is NOT disgusting or nasty, but I do /not/ feel this thumbnail should be in a 'family site's freebie section. If I posted an erect phallus in the freebie section it would be taken down immediately, yet stuff like this gets allowed to stay up. Gyah. And please note, I'm NOT against nudity or pornography. I'm a frequent poster at GPA, and a firm believer that the human body is a beautiful thing. However, you /can/ tell when an image is meant to stimulate arousal, and this, obviously, was.

Woops! Forgot to check nudity!

If you go to 'My Profile' under Member Options, you can choose not to display nudity in the galleries: this applies to freestuff also (but nudity in forum posts is still visible if you choose to open that thread).

Are her breasts bigger than her waist? :snicker:

Much bigger. And much more so the focus. And EB, NUDITY is not the issue. It's the fact that it's thrust in someone's face in what I'd personally consider a tasteless manner. If the breasts weren't the central focus, I'd have no problem, but they're RIGHT THERE. IN MY FACE. So, yeah. Issues.

easy dont look jeesh,there only a pair of boobs for crying out loud. When will ppl get it into there head that boobs are apart of the artworld and have always been this way. regards seeklight

Yeah, but since when does it have to be in the thumbnails for freestuff items. Best reserved for the galleries or posting. We keep touting to be a "family" site but then we let stuff like this get out there. Cant play it both ways folks. Dave

To me those Hooters don't even look real. They look like plastic and the one looks like it has a slow leak.

The point is not whether you are pro-boobs. These aren't human breasts, they are adolescent fantasies that demean women. Take a moment to compare in your memory the famous images it parodies. (Varga has a deliciously clutched breast somewhere, an illustration for a Baudelaire poem, I think.) The difference is that DMZ between erotica and porn.

Ironically, they don't look any more real than the silicon-injected plastics of standard Poser (and the "real skin" in the first illustration of the tut looks a bit like a synthetic wool blanket). And even more ironically, the tutorial he's offering is reasonalbly well written and very useful, even if you don't worship at the shrine of the milk-filled water balloon. The P5 Cloth Room can, theoretically, be used to create pliable skin; and he's come up with a way to make it work.

I'm not offended by the nudity of the thumbnail, but by the pointless vulgarity of it. If I were a teen and my mother was indulgent about "artistic nudity," I wouldn't want her to see it. Any more than I would want her to see on my screen a penis covered with warts and pus or the proverbial fellated Rottweiler.

What's new, of course. The TOS is selective, and the enforcement arbitrary. The thumbnail doesn't criticize the PTB, so what's the problem?

Mick

Can't get adobe acrobat reader to open pdf file in zip. Tried redownloading it last night and even made sure I had the newest version of reader and it gives a corrupt message upon trying to open it. Don't know if anyone else is having the same problem...

The problem is I'm not one of the PTB. Again, there's nothing WRONG with the image. Were it a gallery image, I'd not give a flying... frick. However, it's not a gallery image. It's a freestuff image of an overly busty woman gripping her too huge boobs while they're thrust at my screen. I did the image attatched as a commission. Despite being gay, I find nothing about the female form disgusting. It just doesn't do anything for me. If someone had posted a penis shot, even unerect, like the thumbnail, I'd be questioning the provacativeness of it, so it's not about being 'Yay, boobies!' at all for me. It's plain and simple a matter of 'Do I want my mother seeing this?' or 'Do I want my son seeing this?' that sort of thing. In my mind, if it's something that can't be shown on the Discovery Channel, it doesn't need to be here. Yes, I can see naked people on the discovery channel. What I don't see is close ups of the huge breasted Bimbette tribe of Zimbabwe! "I'm not offended by the nudity of the thumbnail, but by the pointless vulgarity of it. If I were a teen and my mother was indulgent about "artistic nudity," I wouldn't want her to see it. Any more than I would want her to see on my screen a penis covered with warts and pus or the proverbial fellated Rottweiler." Exactly. Though I'm 20. And I /do/ look at pornography, I'll admit it. I don't do so in my mother's presense, as I have too much respect for her for that.

Khrys, it takes a person with a lot of character to care for others feelings and have respect of others, I applaud you and feel that your statements are accurate and correct. Sharen

people, for god's sake! the tutorial is about "soft bodies", however well done. what shall he/she show, a pressed knee?? and "huge breasted Bimbette tribe of Zimbabwe" (:P) do wash sometimes, and when they do they wash also their breasts. in order to do it they have to touch them. get real.

Aleks, how about a pleasantly plump woman with a squished tummah! Oh, but that won't do, no, because V3 is NEVER fat. And Aleks, no they don't. The Huge Brested Bimbette Tribe of Zimbabwe takes mud baths, and they roll like piggies!

correct. v3 is seldomly fat. like it or not, 99% of people will use this tut to make those breasts squeeze exactly as in the thumb above.

1. They aren't breasts. 2. You are absolutely right. There is no other part of the human body that one can usefully apply this technique too. I mean, who needs an authentic fat geek butt with fingers in the endearing "break a snuggy" position? Or an arm responding to the pressure of a hand's grip? Or fingertips flattening against a tabletop? Or a bottom responding to the shape of the table, wall, whatever, it is leaning against? 3. And you are absolutely right. All the snorting adolescents who wander the R'osity Malls will be eternally grateful for yet a new way to make their fantasies lubricious. A stroke for all boykind. 4. I'm a bit confused by the back and forth regarding the huge breasted bimbettes of Zimbabwe. The thumbnail is not showing the kind of touching one does to wash in my part of the world. Is that, perhaps, just an attempt to sneak in a bit of "you prude!" without being rude about it? 5. The fact that you can't imagine any use for the trick except squishing breasts, sadly, proves our point. ta. M PS Khrys: Beautiful picture.

Yadda yadda yadda... but I sympathise with the original point. You have control in visiting the galleries but I would like some voluntary restraint in the Freestuff Thumbnails so I can go there unfiltered... not only are there times other people are around, there is also stuff I just don't want to see. But... my attitude relies on mature judgment and sensitive from the posters, I am convinced these bondage and discipline people actually seek to shock and offend... so I guess they are getting their jollies form the likes of me.

Come on people I realize that many of you do find it offensive for whatever reasons. Maybe I wasnt raised right or something but whats the big deal? This kind of thing is a cultureal thing like whats called under age drinking here in the USA, in Europe its not wrong. You see statues,paintings,and god forbid even religious art works in public places everywhere. And guess what it hasnt traumatized their children, or destroyed their family values. Not nearly as bad as Political Correctness has done for us here! Please dont get me stsrted on PC.

Hey Khrys....like Sgt. Elias said in Platoon, "Hey Khrys...take a break!" thanks for letting us know about the link.....you actually helped me with a problem i had with soft bodies...woohoo!

I bet your mother is old enough to be able to handle nudity :) If she asks what that picture is there for, try explaining it like an adult.

Attached Link: "Soft bodies"

I love soft bodies :-)

Attached Link: regular Joe

..and for the ladies :-)

mickmca, your examples for usage of soft body technique involves two out of four times the bottom -- i like especially the one where naked bottom press against the wall. i always wanted to show this in all it's realism! -- and i can imagine similar reaction at picture about grouping at naked butt, too. i don't know how fat your fingers are, but mine squish almost not at all when i press them against table. and lastly, an arm isn't exactly "soft body" the way it is usually defined in animation work. belly is, as well as cheeks, breasts or bottom. your assumption about me saying "you prude!" is wrong. he is not and it is rather obvious when you actually read khrys' posts and not promptly jump up to play someone's advocat. my reaction was prompted to what i deem as his overreaction to one stupid promo pic. the fact that i haven't even mention that i have or need any use for this technique only proves that you should be reading threads with more attention instead of desperately trying to sound clever.

"3. And you are absolutely right. All the snorting adolescents who wander the R'osity Malls will be eternally grateful for yet a new way to make their fantasies lubricious. A stroke for all boykind. [...] 5. The fact that you can't imagine any use for the trick except squishing breasts, sadly, proves our point." ;)

"Oh, gee, mom, yeah, the overly huge breasts? Someone else posted 'em and I was just looking through the freestuff. What, why are they being thrust at our faces? Because the artist wanted lots of downloads on his freebie item, and nothing says 'easy cheese' like huge boobs!" First, my mother doesn't even like CLASSICAL PAINTINGS that have nudity. Second, I shouldn't HAVE to explain something to her when I'm looking at this site. I need to be able to see a thumbnail on a freebie to know if I want to download it. OTHER artists have managed tasteful nudity in there, why can't this one do a small animated GIF?

omg I am just so....~blinks and shakes her head~ as for the touching.....and washing if any of the ladies have breast which I am sure they do you will know that yes they do get squished during washing. now that point aside.....well actually they get squished if they are real non hard plastic breasts. ANYWAY. I myself was kind of shocked at seeing that thumbnail in the free stuff as well and anyone that looks at my gallery knows full well I am most definatly NOT against nudity or touching. I wasnt shocked at the nudity I was shocked it hadnt been removed. I was also shocked at the whole...well...picture itself it -is- in your face. but I think that is the point to get attention. either way I think that caution needs to be used in browsing as this is a mixed group/content site. perhaps the poster of the thumb nail could put a top on her after all clothed ornot the "softbodies" would still squish and so would the cloth. after thought...what exactly was the comment about her breast being larger then her waist? what is wrong with that? trust me it is fullllllyyy possible and naturally too I might add.....

Nothing wrong with it, DE. I'm just sick of seeing it ALL THE TIME. ;) /Usually/ when they're like that and their waists are that small? Plastic surgery. And while I'm not exactly a breast expert, but wouldn't they be a bit saggier, too?

well by nature yes they would not be ...er.....so very perky. they would be shaped abit different as well. >.< the breast bigger then her waist comment though was from hauksdottir ....it just kind of er...miffed me I guess. and as for other uses...this could be used also with ..pillows...mattresses I mean it always peeved me that woman in the galleries were laying on beds that seemed to be made out of stone. pillows that didnt ..well squish. alot of uses for this type of movement though other then the "look mah I can squishy my breasts".

So big tits demean women??? Hahahahahahaaaa that's funny. I suppose big biceps demean men, no? Gawd what a silly load of bollocks. And NO, liking sexy female bodies (big breasts or not) has nothing to do with being an oversexed pimply teenager who never had a girlfriend or anything of the kind. Good grief... It has to do with male hormones, mine function perfectly well thank you, and I'm not ashamed of that at all. Whether or not a particlar guy likes big tits or not says nothing at all about his view of women, or his age, or anything else. It's about personal taste. And khrys, if your mum is ultraconservative (doesn't even like CLASSICAL PAINTINGS that have nudity) what's that got to do with us? Geez... that's YOUR problem and hers. Not mine, not Rosity's. See to it that you come to Rosity when she is NOT around. My mum used to be a devoted nudist, we spent our weekends on the nudist beach - the whole family. My father was a professional artist, his best thing was the nude female form. And it's mine too. Big boobs, middle sized ones and teeny little small ones, I like them all. Find something IMPORTANT to complain about instead, OK? 'Pleasantly plump' yet, that's funny, hahahaaa... Why should I be interested in that? Because the average American woman is way overweight? What's that got to do with my personal taste, or anyone else's - apart from those who like plump women? :] Fish

This item was kindly offered as free stuff ... the author spent his own time offering something to you ... it can be packaged however they want in my opinion. Now lets suppose that the author placed a nice fluffy picture on as a thumb: You'd get a bit of a shock when you opened the PDF wouldnt you. The thumb in this case IS representative of the work. Maybe we should complain about the content as well as the thumb ? (strange state of affairs) Barrie.

Fish, it's your problem that your parents were nudists. Personally? I wouldn't want to see my parents naked for all the gold in China, thank you very much. And it /is/ Rnderosity's when Renderosity is the site that hosts such work. I'm a merchant here. What goes in the marketplace reflects on me. What goes in the freestuff? Reflects on me. Doesn't matter if it's not my work. And again, this wouldn't even be an issue if it were a full body shot. Or a different body part. No. It's not. It's breasts? WHY? Because big boobs in the thumbnail=BIG DOWNLOADS. I know how it works. And again? If it was in the gallery? Wouldn't care. All of your works have either tits or ass PLAINLY visible in every thumbnail, which is why I've never bothered with your work. I don't have to look at that. However, when I'm scrolling my way through a freestuff page and suddenly a set of boobs jump out and knock me upside the head for NO REASON? I'm gonna be a bit pissed. I don't even post a naked male on this site for fear that the PTB will think it's porn and smack me for it, yet crap like this gets allowed every day. And again, if they'd been clothed, or a full body shot? Wouldn't care. I don't go thrusting my nipples in your face, keep yours out of mine.

no classical paintings, huh? does she have to go outside so than you can work with poser? does she even know what it is?

Also, Fish, you must HATE classical art then. OMG! TEH FAT PEEPLE! Tehy are cooming fer u!!! And thanks for the heads up, Barrie. I knew there was a reason I didn't download it. And yes, it /was/ kind of him to post it. That's not my issue. But a frickin' censor bar goes a long way. And aleks... Quit flaming. My computer is in my bedroom. She brought something in for me, glanced at the screen. And, for the record? It's called exagerating. She /does/ have a problem with pin ups and such, but as far as I know, holds no grudge against classical painters.

ok, just checked your shop here. that pregnant anime doll (or was it maya doll?) scratching at her croch, is something that i'm sure slipped your attention, so give the other guy also that credit, ok? not everything is intentional.

Yeah know from the thumbnail I never got the hint that it was bout doing the squeezing thing. To me it looked like yet another morph to make vicky's boobs big. dave

She's got her hand down covering it, for one thing and for another, it's not the focus of the image. And she's an anime doll. (And honestly, it DID slip my attention. Something to definitely fix!) And attacking the person with the valid argument isn't a way to win an argument. It's just, plain and simple, flaming.

well, i didn't flame you, and i'm sorry if you took it that way. i was just making a slight fun of you in post #32, that's all. peace.

Sorry, but I feel this is a bit rediculous. R'osity gives you the option to filter the nudity in the free stuff. If you are at work, or at home and don't want others to see the nudity, then turn on the filter. Don't expect everybody to have the manners or taste you have. You can't have it both ways. You can't say "I don't want to filter it because I want to see the images with nudity" and then get mad when the nudity is over the top. Alternative #2. You're over 18. Move out of your parent's house and then you don't have to worry about it.

I thought it was out of place as well. She looked like she was about to express milk with the pressure of a fire hose. I didn't think of a cool way to make skin react more realistically. Being a prude or not isn't the point really. The visual is just not what one expects to see in freebie thumbnails.

I and my wife fully intend to let my underaged son look at a woman's bare chest all he wants to. Oh, but perhaps I should mention that the doc says the missus will be going into labor with him any day now, and after all... the kid's gotta eat too, don't he? A woman's breasts are like the Sony Playstation, X-Box and Game Cube... You see, they were still originally built for kids, no matter how many adult guys you know of that play with 'em. ;) /P

And okay, if the nudity flag works both ways? Enjoy some nice M3 penis. (Texture by Handspan Studios, no less) Please note that it does not violate any parts of the TOS. It is neither erect, nor are there hands touching it in any way shape or form. However, it's not very tasteful, now is it? I wouldn't want this to be a freebie here. Why? it's just not tasteful. Daverj, you gonna pay my rent? I don't think so. Don't tell me I have an option I don't have. For all you know, I'm wheelchair confined and paralyzed below the chest, thus not exactly having the same opportunities most people do. I'm not, but you didn't know that until now. Don't make blanket assumptions about my status until you get the facts. I live at home in part because I can't /afford/ to move out and in part because my mother needs the help. She's not exactly a spring chicken anymore.

lol, talking about "soft body"...

1. Well Khrys, I saw my mum all naked yesterday... She has severe Parkinson's, very shaky and unbalanced. She came home from hospital the other day with a repaired thigh bone after a severe fall last week - multiple fractures. She can hardly walk now even with support and has really big trouble with her balance. The night before last she fell again at home in the middle of the night and I was the one that helped her up since she couldn't move herself... and I helped her change her nightie and get back into bed.... Now it's a good thing I'm not at all sensitive about naked bodies, regardless of age or size - otherwise I would have had a SERIOUS problem helping her, not so? Oh, and I have 2 daughters - never had a problem changing their diapers at all when they were small. In fact I liked doing it, it gives a wonderful feeling of closeness to my own children. Fathers who avoid that messy stuff miss out on something I tell you. So naked bodies is never a problem for me regardless of age. Or who it is. 2. My dad was amongst other things an art historian with Dutch/Flemish 16th/17th C. art as his specialty and I am VERY well versed in fine art thank you :o) and have no problem with large Rubenesque figures whatsoever. It's just that when I render a woman I make her look the way I like best - and that is NOT overweight Vickis. Also applies to when I look at other people's renders. Curvy, fine. Voluptuous - great. But fat? Forget it! lol So take your (and your mother's) prejudices elsewhere if you will. :] Fish

"I wouldn't want this [M3 Penis] to be a freebie here." Err, wouldn't doing so be a copyright violation of DAZ' M3 mesh? Otherwise I see no problem with it. (shrug.) What's up with this 'eww, ickynastynekkidbodyparts!', anyway? Fish sez: " Fathers who avoid that messy stuff miss out on something." I'm still going shopping for an old army surplus gas mask and a ton of air freshener spray; crappy diapers positively reek, y'know? /P

Hey Peng! Sing to the baby - you'll forget about the smell lol! :] Fish

rofl, i have twins and they are doing parallel stuff... if you need a sample of that "soft body" i have more then enough! ;)

Eek! Is she OK? (And I meant just walking around, Fish, for no real reason, not for important reasons. I'd have no problem helping my mother change clothes, for example, but if she were just wandering around naked, I'd have to scream at her.) On another note? Prejudices? Dude, I /am/ overweight. I have no problem with over weight people in the least. I was making a joke, if you couldn't figure that out. When I type 'teh' and the like? Usually means a joke. Peng, I meant the thumbnail. Sorry for not spelling everything out in a perfectly done 'See Jane Run' wording. :) My fingers get typing and rarely, a word gets left behind in the process. And changing diapers is never fun, though I've done it often enough. My best friend has a three year old nephew. Unka Khrys had to watch him while she went potty. He messed himself. Yeah. (He was about two at the time.) He's a sweet, if heavy kid. (Who knew carrying around fourty pounds of squirming toddler could be such a workout!?) In another note: Lets keep it civil and cheerful, please. No personal attacks, I want an honest, reasonable discussion. What is too much for the freestuff section, what isn't? There /are/ levels of nudity, in my mind. There's the simple nude, like a person sitting on a stool. There's the artistic nude, like a naked woman holding a vase or doing something most people would be clothed for. There's the cheesecake/pin up or provacative nude (Like the image of mine I posted earlier) where there's very little 'actual' artistic content, and the main focus is the naked person who's naked for no real reason. Then there's the 'good goddess!' nude. Which is what the M3 Penis and the thumbnail for the freebie are. I would have no problem showing my mother the image I did. She's sexy, she's naked. It's not in your face, for example. No one part of her anatomy is the main focus of the image. Personally, my attention is drawn first to her face and eyes, then elsewhere. But, then, maybe it's because I'm gay. (BTW, Fish, you posted twice if you didn't know. I got two ebots about it. :) Discuss.

omg I dont know whether to choke laughing or crying!! I understand what he is saying...just a black bar or something yes it does look like she is threatening to squirt you in the face ..yes I can understand someone being peeved about this. like one poster said...they thought it was just another breast morph. it goes two ways "omg not ANOTHER breast morph/xrated morph" or "OMG YES ANOTHER BREAST MORPH" as for the complaint..oh come on you cant see why some are going omg that should not be a in your face nipple threat. why not stop flamming Khrys. I bet the hoopla would of been rampant if there HAD been an erect penis in the freestuff...and you all know it.

Khrys, when you - before posting public in this forum - contacted RajDArge about this, explained your point of view to him and maybe asked him to change the thumbnail: What did he answer? THIS is something I would like to know at first.

Bip, quite frankly, I didn't, because I knew what the answer would be. "What's wrong with it? I'm not taking it down!"

It makes me sad somehow, that people don't try to talk 'with' each other before talking 'about' each other... It also has something to do with respect, doesn't it?