I'm talking 'about' him? I'm not discussing him, but a thumbnail of his.

But how can you discuss about his thumbnail without him? I absolutely respect your point of view. But I could imagine, he also has a point of view - which I could agree with or not. At least it could be, that he says 'Sorry, I didn't think about it.'. Maybe not. I don't know and you don't know. That's all I wanted to say.

Because it's the thumbnail I'm discussing. I know nothing of his merit/etc...

Well my mum doesn't wander around naked exactly... lol... but if she did, in the right context, it wouldn't hassle me at all. Hell, it's just a body, just skin. And I don't know about this whole 'ANOTHER breast morph' thing - I mean, if it was an endless parade of knee morphs we were talking about, no one would have a problem with it. But as soon as it's a 'naughty bit', some people get sensitive. That's what I don't like. I see it as a form of informal censorship - protesting against, ridiculing or looking down on somebody else's opinion or taste or whatever... if people want to do endless breast MTs, let them... do something else with your time than complain about it. Or the silly thumbnails for that matter. And there is even a convenent 'no nudity' switch available - I mean for goodness' sake... This certainly doesn't apply specifically to you Khrys, it's a general problem with our fine American conservative (mostly) members here. And the ones who are convinced that all the naked Vickis here are a sign that women are demeaned somehow....... I never did get that logic, maybe Carolly can explain? lol! I live in Sweden - different attitude here. Simple. Nakedness is undramatic. My daughters played around the garden naked in the summer until they were about 5 - no-one cared at all. And we don't have any high walls or anything - people just don't worry about nakedness here. It's not an issue. Girl topless on the family beach? Okay... So who cares? :] Fish PS About my mum - well today she's okay. She didn't damage that hip again when she fell the second time fortunately... whew. But she's so shaky and wobbly and uncertain, it hurts to see her. And she's only 70! Sigh....

My mother's boyfriend's sister's about 75 and gave me a bad scare last year. She had a minor heart attack and slipped, hit her head and broke her hip, all at once. THAT is a string of bad luck. I'll keep her in my thoughts, Fish. As for conservative... I'm not conservative, exactly. I have no real problem with /casual/ nudity. My friends and I change clothes in the same room with no issue, ETC. (And yes, my friends are mostly female. Envy away, boys). It's not a big deal. There's a difference between nudity and /flaunting/ that nudity. I think we all know the difference. Walking through the living room to get fresh clothes, sure. Standing there fondling yourself? No. I'd beat my gal pals over the heads if they ever did that!

"And yes, my friends are mostly female" Lol! I'd love to see you swap clothes with your male friends, hahahaa!! "a minor heart attack and slipped, hit her head and broke her hip" Ouch.... that's quite a sequence! Is she OK? My mum slipped and fell last winter on an icy spot right outside a shop and bonked her head. If she hadn't been wearing a woolly cap she would have cracked her skull for sure. As it was, she had severe concussion for weeks.... Do you know, the people in the shop ran out and SANDED before they helped her up!! Incredible. It was more important to them to protect their reputation than help her, for goodness' sake! :] Fish

... Why? Swapping clothes with my male friends... most of them dress poorly. Actually, most of them dress like utter... well, computer nerds, because they are. :) Now swapping clothes with my FEMALE friends would be funny, except we did that one halloween. My friend Mary went as the psycho from Scream and I went as her blonde bimbette victim. Wore one of her t-shirts, my own pants (rolled up to capri pant length) and high heels. And she frickin' made me RUN in heels! And she's fine, now. A bit slower in her movements, and her hip hurts from time to time, but the heart attack did /no/ real damage she couldn't survive. She had a big knot on her head for about a week, but it went away. And over here in the US, we do the same thing, Fish. "Go get gloves and some of that powder for the blood! Nevermind the poor person laying on the ground bleeding, don't move 'em!" Guy had a heart attack. Middle of Wal-Mart. He's just laying there on the ground, and people just... walk by...

When I see all the fuss that can be raised over a pair of mesh-made floaters, boobs that aren't even real boobs, I wonder how far the PoCo zealots will go. I wonder how many forgot that they started their life mlking on a female nipple, and I think there are many of us who did... seeing that nude chest at such an early stage of our innocent childhood should have done terrible damage in our poor baby brains... we should all be socially inadapted and why not, terrible psycho's... In short: it's a tutorial. It allows to "squeeze" breasts and other body elements in a more realistic way, at least that thumbnail made it clear. Let's cut with e "'Oh no! Booobs! yuckkyyyyyy" bullpoop and let's try the tutorial... that's why it's been put in there. I must say I must have done something wrong coz I can't maker the flesh react the same way :/

Uh, dude? FORMULA. And apparently, you didn't read the above posts, AT ALL. You just read part of one and decided to go on, or perhaps just took all the points from previous posts and tried to rewrite them in your own words. I don't CARE about nudity. It's flaunting it. Shoving it in my face with a tasteless display that I find revolting. So what, they're boobs. And dude? You /can/ say shit on the forums.

Oh no... I'm not getting into this one... Oh no!

... Then why did you post?

Oooohh...WOW!! Thanks God I'd say (no intention to be or sound blasphemous, but, please, calm down...) I had almost lost any hope:I were really afraid that the so-called "sexual revolution" back in the 60s-70s and the so-called illuminated all-rational evolution of the third millennium man had eventually succeded in banishing from our holy (literally, this time)world everything that makes life worth living. No game, just work; no magic, just reason; and, no sex, just mature, responsible and consentient interpersonal activity finalized either to the reproduction of the species (at its best)or a momentary release of physical pleasure. I'm not mocking anyone:Khrys and all the other ladies and gentlemen, no matter if You agree each other or not, You're all perfectly right!!! You know (till now actually not, but so it's used to say), I'm a fricking shrink and each and every day I have to fight against the blindness of so-called colleagues that aren't able to see anything else than neurotransmitters impared balance, narcisistic pathology and, of course, borderline personality disorders!!... I can relieve only speaking with the so-called patients, persons whose only problem often is a blessed deep sensitivity and spirituality that allows them to get and keep in touch with their most deep and true emotions. What the hell, life IS emotions!!! In the (again) so-called ancient and dark - nothing can be so cozy as darkness - ages the nowadays psychiatrists were called "sorcerers", "shamans", but now "sorcerer" (actually "stregone") is what they call me when they're offended by me saying something that You can't read on a blood-analysis sheet. Enough with my personal troubles. What I really intended to say is that sex really matters, always did and always will, and that's simply marvelous to me reading all the reactions and counter-reactions that a pair of squeezed breasts ignited in a hypertechnologic and supermodern community like it should supposed to be that of Poser's users. You (me too in the number)should be supposed to think of them just in terms of polygons, vertices, texturing, IK chains and so on. But thanks God (Whatever You call Him or Her, either You believe in Her or Him or not)it seems that we're all still women and men and that our souls (or psyches, if You prefere) can still be touched and put in turmoil by the basic emotions and feelings of everyday life. I have no intention to judge who's right and who's not, if it's art or pornography,if it's suitable for children or not (by the way they're the smart ones, not the grown-up, so I wouldn't bother too much...). Important thing is all of you were touched by the infinite power of the essence of sex and could not bystand indifferent to the everlasting secret of the woman's body (even through a supposedly cold representation as it should be a computerized image). Sure, it can disturb You, it can arouse You, it can disgust You, You can love it or hate it, but, remember, the only indifferent human being is a dead one... OK, thanks for your patience and bye! Alberto

... Really. Okay, once again I state: I don't care about nudity or sex in the least, so long as they're in the right places. If someone came into a public school and shoved her breasts at a kid, I'd call the cops and then take the kid to a therapist. If some woman was walking down the street and shoved her nude breasts at me? I'd call the cops and probably ask her what she was on. There's a time and a place for 'vulgar' nudity, and the freestuff area is NOT the place. Renderotica is, if anywhere is. If I were THERE griping, I'd expect to get slapped upside the head. :) And dude, you is you, not You.

Oh I do love this forum, it makes me laugh every day. 8D

grins Glad that the fact we're up to 66 posts is amusing to someone other than me!

Sorry Khrys... I just started to type a reply to your post... and then I remembered what happens each time I become involved in similar debates... and cold sweat started running down my brow... and I also remembered the promise I made to myself; "no more philosophy"... and then I caught myself talking out loud and my fingers kept typing... and before I knew it some finger hit the "post reply" button... and that's all... No harm intended... :)

laughs and nods Completely understandable. In any event, I think we've discussed it as much as possible. Let's all go get food!

Khrys, You are right when you say that this picture is fit for Renderotica, but hey. look at it up close. Not too close, so it won't be "shoved" in your face again :-) The tutorial is about how to give the "squeeze" look to volumes of flesh. Honestly, only huge boobs or a very firm butt would do, because of their shape. A spheric or close to spheric shape is more evocative than let's say, a finger pointed into a cheek. Especially on a small thumbnail. You mentionned that you don't care for nudity. Fine. You still have a disproportionned reaction over a tiny 200x200px picture that doesn't mean your views on "tastefull" 3d art. You emit an opinion, you say that you feel them to be displayed in the wrong area. Let's see. Do we have a TOS violation here? If so, then it has to be removed. If it's not a TOS violation, then either you speak to the guy who posted it, or you look the other way. You chose not to speak to the guy. If I were you I would. Oh wait. I did. Some time ago a person posted a nazi nurse and a nazi nudie officer in the freebies. Ain't that shocking, tasteless and even very rude? After all, for what I know, many of us might have a grandfather or grandmother, or old aunt, whose arm still carries a tatooed number, symbol of an horrible time and place. I didn't gloat in the forums, I didn't go whine at a mod. I messaged the person. Politely I tink. Still you won't do it, right? After all You "know what he will say". If you're afraid of the reactions you might get to one of your posts, then don't post, period. I did read the other posts on this topic, I agree with some of them, not all of them. I know I can say "shit" in the forums but I don't feel the need to do so. As for rewriting other people's words in my own manner, what use would have for it? Considering the very few times I posted since I regged at 'Rosity, I am obviously not trying to get attention. This message will be well forgotten in what, two days? Perfect by me. You turned a fly into an elephant, Khrys. That's all. Replies not needed, or then make them personal. I don't feel like going into horse beating. Be well, and all these things. And if my english sucks, well, too bad, but I am not an englishman or an american citizen either.

erratum: "You mentionned that you don't care for nudity. Fine. You still have a disproportionned reaction over a tiny 200x200px picture that doesn't MEET your views on "tastefull" 3d art." I'm tired, don't sue my ass :p

Dude. I don't CARE ABOUT. Not FOR. And it doesn't meet just MY views. It doesn't meet most people's views. Anyway. Thread's dead. LET IT DIE.

"Sorry, but I feel this is a bit rediculous. R'osity gives you the option to filter the nudity in the free stuff. If you are at work, or at home and don't want others to see the nudity, then turn on the filter. Don't expect everybody to have the manners or taste you have."

This is a quote from way up the top somewhere, I've forgotten whose now, apologies to the author.

But I agree with it.

So what, a nudity on/off button isn't enough ? Guess this site really needs a taste on/off button too.

I'm not going to comment on whether or not I think the thumb is tasteful or not purely because it doesn't violate the TOS . It's tastefulness or lack of is irrelevant IMHO.
(Don't like the reflections though....)
If the PTB were to start pronouncing on matters of taste then this site is doomed.
We ultimately end up with not much in the galleries other than cute fairies, cuter kitties and a few spaceships.

But back to the beginning, it's much simpler really for an individual to tick the 'NO NUDITY' box than to worry , fuss and supposedly discuss the taste or lack thereof of the many many other individuals that are members of this site.

Live and let live..........unless it violates the TOS, why should Free Stuff have separate rules to the rest of the site ?

And as to the selling of 3d fetish gear, bondage equipment etc...well it's all probably one of the biggest money earners here and R'osity is a business after all.

This thumbnail violates one of the sacred-and-oft-quoted Renderosity Terms of Service, this one regarding acceptable images:

"No Explicit sexual content [No manipulation of breasts/nipples/ no sexual situations/ no 'implied' sexual situations"

Discussion over. (Unless, of course, this is one of the thousand-and-one exceptions the PTB decide to make, by either omission or commission, to the otherwise-sacred TOS.)

I think the thumb is hideously ugly, looks worse than a store mannequin..Who would be interested in this anyway??...Go to bbay & download their morphs for breasts or learn how to use magnets for those that are infatuated with big tits ;)Damn..that is the ugliest thumb I've ever scene.......Looks worse than Anna Nicole Smiths LOL. Her implants have risen so far up from the "nipple" level it's sad....Plastic surgery rum amuck LOL

THANK YOU, FAUVE!

it is not morphs for breasts..it is a tut formaking them looked squished that indented part. see I told you most thought it was for breast morphs...

I deleted the image at the start of the thread because it violated TOS and I do not want to get my ass handed to me!

So? If you see a TOS violation you contact a Mod. If it's inside the TOS, it's always best to contact the person first and explain how you feel. If they don't change the image, that's what the Nudity Tag is for. And looking at that image, I don't see it as a sexual situation. There are 1001 gallery images where Vicky is staring off into space holding her breasts. shrug Otherwise what you're suggesting is additional rules for taste. And then... whose tastes exactly?

Mine, of course, Caly. Because mine are the only ones that matter. And Caly? MANIPULATING. Not holding. Manipulating. As in manhandling. Punching, swatting, groping, lifting. Not touching. Touching is fine. It's getting big honkin' handfuls that seem to violate the TOS. And I'm contacting a mod, and I sent the author a message already.

ohhh Khrys....Khrys.......look what you started..... the tutorial was great man! very well done.... too many processes dough.....ive figured out a way to do the same thing in postwork.....

It's not a case of tastes or interpretation. The TOS says, plain as can be, "No manipulation of the breasts", and here we have a thumbnail image that shows a woman holding hers up and squeezing 'em like day-old Wonder Bread. Squeezing = "manipulation" = TOS violation. The fact that I and apparently some other people think that the image is tacky and vulgar as well is beside the point.

Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I don't make up the rules around here. I'm just amused by the selective way they're enforced.

Biggert, the tutorial won't be taken down, most likely, they'll just remove the offending image and ask him to fix it.

I don't care if it's morphs/tuts or whatever, the damn pic thing is still ugly as sin..and if that's the results I could expect from a tut then.....the pic says enough.

day-old Wonder bread is really squeezee grins

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1602070

Caly, get with the program. JIM did not get burned by it. Someone else got in trouble over the linking. JIM was asked to repost his, since /he/ had deleted it.

CALY. English. Do you SPEAK IT? HE deleted HIS post. The rest followed. And frankly, as much as I don't LIKE the fact that Jim won't be sharing his stuff, JIM DELETED HIS OWN POST. Staff thought it was to repost the thread, mistakenly. Learn to read the whole thread before you jump to conclusions. Sheesh.

I read the whole thread. I'm not sure you did? I know Jim deleted his first post. That's not the issue. Post 31 has visuals you might want to go see, if you don't feel like reading. Oh look, they've already locked the thread. Nothing to see here, move along. beam Have a good evening!

I intend to, Caly. And this thread is moot, too, because the item was set back to pending until the poser mods could look at it and determine if it violates TOS. Anyway, yeah. No hard feelings, have a good evening. Me, I'm gonna eats me battered, fried fish. Wish I had some chips.

Gee, this thread seems to miss the issue... I don't wan't to filter nudity... I want to be able to see body morphs etc offered in Freestuff and I don't care if people in my home see nudes... it is a little more difficult for me to feel good exposing my children to images of women in bondage, fetishware, porno gags or with strange anatomy in poses sugestive of violence... if the figure had her big virtual boob flopped over her arm in a reclining pose or was even just poking it with her virtual index finger... or was a heavy set figure herself in the belly... whatever... but this is clearly a porno pose... those are porno tits on a porno babe in a porno pose... even skinny women with big breasts don't look like that (I have taught painting for over a decade and seen maybe a hundred nude models including all sorts) and I don't belive women commonly walk around the house squeezing the hell out of their breasts... this is an image based on a fantasy obviously not based on versimalatude... to suggest the image doest reflect porno conventions in everyway is diengenuous... BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST. And I don't actually find this thumbnail as offensive as the torture and bondage props posed with figures, why loving sex is restricted but images of sexual violence (even of the so-called role-playing variaty") are endorsed is not clear to me.

Me neither, mom. I don't have a problem with bondage, I think it's interesting, from a psychological standpoint. However, I don't feel Renderosity is the place for such things, and I've said that from the start. And Mom, you summed up my point perfectly with "I don't care if people in my home see nudes... it is a little more difficult for me to feel good exposing my children to images of women in bondage, fetishware, porno gags or with strange anatomy in poses sugestive of violence..." Exactly. Like I'd said. Even if it was just FURTHER BACK I'd have had no issue. Did she have a HEAD?

So I got screwed out of a tutorial because you couldn't click the no nudity button ? Of course, to be fair, if it wasn't you then it would have been someone else.............sigh...................

Dude. Didn't you read ANY of the thread? "I don't wan't to filter nudity... I want to be able to see body morphs etc offered in Freestuff and I don't care if people in my home see nudes... it is a little more difficult for me to feel good exposing my children to images of women in bondage, fetishware, porno gags or with strange anatomy in poses sugestive of violence..." And you didn't get 'screwed'. It'll be back up, HOPEFULLY with a revised thumbnail.

Hmmmm...I read this entire thread...my conclusion...the rude way some members treat each other is much more offensive than that image. No need for anyone to be obnoxious because they can't convince everyone they should get their way or that their opinion is the only one that matters.

;^P

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/tutorial.ez

Thank you Dee-Marie ! I really appreciate the information ! I can read just fine Khrys. The last post to this thread should have been EnglishBob's post. Goodnight all.

You are welcome Please IM me with a reminder, and I will be happy to post the link to the tutorial when it is relisted. Going to bed now - been a long day :) Dee-Marie

"Yadda yadda yadda... but I sympathise with the original point. You have control in visiting the galleries but I would like some voluntary restraint in the Freestuff Thumbnails so I can go there unfiltered... not only are there times other people are around, there is also stuff I just don't want to see. But... my attitude relies on mature judgment and sensitive from the posters, I am convinced these bondage and discipline people actually seek to shock and offend... so I guess they are getting their jollies form the likes of me." Ridiculous. YOu can turn off the TV right? Why can you not turn off texture loading in your browser and do it in text mode only. Or better yet not even load renderosity. I for one want a detailed thumb that shows me exactly what I am getting and how it will look before I download it. YOu can blame Renderosity for not having a "turn off thumbnails" optoion on thier webpages as other sites do. YOu would read playgirl around the kids right? So don't do renderosity around the kids either. Or pser for that matter. Sensativities of others? So then I suppose it would be "insensative" to post a thumbnail of a Nazi soldier uniform for some people here? Not likely at all. In fact such a uniform has already been posted here. Artists come in all shapes and sizes. I suppose the author could have chosen to demonstrate softbodies with pressing a hand on an arm but since the dominiate form of art her is nude Victoria/Posette what better place than on the breasts. Just get over it a refrain from Posering around your family. PeteJ

"Yeah, but since when does it have to be in the thumbnails for freestuff items. Best reserved for the galleries or posting. We keep touting to be a "family" site but then we let stuff like this get out there. Cant play it both ways folks." Dave, since before you ever knew renderosity existed. I think just about ever 3D forum displays nude thumbnails. Just be happy that none show a sexual act. Next you will be crying about lingerie, leather or "toys" being displayed all by themselves. Especially if the toys resemble human body parts that are uhm... "happy". BTW, Renderosity in its current and past forms has never ever been a "family site". Family sites have zero nudity period. in any and all sections.

wolf359, I hope that was just a quick and dirty demo mpg. no omes brests bounces that violently when walking. Further, they are bounces nearly in sync and real ones don't do that either when the body moves. LOL PeteJ

"The visual is just not what one expects to see in freebie thumbnails." NO. YOu mean to say its not what YOU expect" The majority here know full well what to expect at this site. Stupid points that others made: The content reflects on them in the shop and in the free stuff. Hardly the case. Do I think all here are perverse(no offense) based on what a few post? Not at all. Perhaps on should start a Renderosity sister site called "PoserPrudosity" and only allow full length clothing and zero morphs to keep that stiff manichen look. PeteJ