1. When someone else is the subject and something unplanned happens ... you might think it's funny or even use it as part of a photography class. OTOH, when you are the subject and the self timer is the photographer ... those odd things are no longer funny. 2. The display on the camera never shows enough detail to identify a good/bad picture while you are shooting ... but get those images into the PC and up on the 19" monitor ... boy oh boy, can you ever see everything that's wrong ... and now the sunlight has changed too. This isn't a complaint ... just laughing at my own mistakes instead of showing them to you. MGD

pictures, pictures, we want to laugh WITH YOU NOT AT YOU, wink, wink! That's why I don't do self portraits. Something about a law forbidding scaring little children..... Jack

pictures, pictures, we want to laugh WITH YOU NOT AT YOU, > wink, wink! Yes, that's very true. However this time it's not just that the pictures were funny/not funny. In fact, I couldn't get the camera's eye to see the same scene as in my mind's eye. In another sense, the actual level of artistic control did not reach the expected level of artistic control. (That's accountant speak for, "Buddy, you don't have enough money in the register drawer") OTOH, this attempt may inspire me to join a health club ... again ... and even use it. LOL > That's why I don't do self portraits. Something about a > law forbidding scaring little children..... You know, I may have met you at an several years ago at the Southern Maryland Celtic Festival. I'm thinking of a gentleman who garbed and woded (blue pigment on face/arms) to resemble a Pict. He was also carrying a spear/pike with a severed head (foam rubber, hair, ...) mounted on the end. He told me that when he saw little kids who were frightened, he would calm them and let them see realize it was just a model. At that point he would say, "This one's a fake. They made me leave the real ones in the car!" MGD

sounds like me, but the last time I was in Maryland was in 1976 to Jessup.... Jack