Ok, so in my project I need a boy. Its a fantasy setting and the boy grows within the story into the main character. So I bought the milboys from Daz...problem is no one seems to have made a single item to dress the boys in. What gives here? Did they sell this figure then write em off? I desperately need some wardrobe for my Mil boys, anyone have any suggestions?

You hit the nail on the head, they wrote them off. Www.poserworld.com has a few odds and ends, pretty much the only place that does. You'll have to subscribe though. Best wishes Jody

Poser world has a fair bit. And if your character is growing, Dodger does a figure called the Aeon Kid which has a growth dial to take it from about 5yrs to about 12yrs. But if you thought clothes were hard to find for the mill kids.... bugger all for the Aeon Kid, which is a shame because it's a very good figure.

Jack edited to say the figure is available from poserpros

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Maybe you ought to do your character as a girl. Lots of stuff for them.

There was a comment from someone at DAZ quite some time ago, that much of the clothing for children of the ages represented with the MilGirls and MilBoys packages is sexually indistinct, ergo MilGirls clothing packages work fine with the boy. If only that were still true... Heck, I see 9 year old girls running around in things my fiance wouldn't be brave enough to wear in public. (it's sickening) And most of the boys are into one or the other of those clothing habits I can't wrap my head around, like pants so loose they hang a foot below their waist. All that said.. anything made for the Millennium Girls will fit the boys, it just may not be very "boyish."

At a push you could try painting some second skin clothing overlays over the body textures....

I sure hope they don't do the same with Laura and Luke, I just got them!?!? At least they all ready seem to have more then MilBoy ever had. But they are set for, as the name says, Young Teens and not PreTeen and PreSchool aged kids.

Actually, there's a number of items for Seth and Rafael that Dodger has available for purchasers. They're converted items from a number of different sets. If you've purchased an Aeon figure and haven't gotten the link, IM Dodger at Poserpro's.

When DAZ asked for suggestions about what to name the new Young Teens, somone suggested "Nude Dude" for the boy, since he probably wouldn't get any clothes, either. LOL!

DAZ never did support the Millennium Boys and Girls very well. The MilGirls have a lot of fantasy dresses and such, courtesy of the fairy crowd, but even that is a relatively recent development. People just weren't much interested in kids. Maybe because Naked Preteen Vicky in a Temple With a Sword can get you arrested. ;-)

PoserWorld is definitely your best bet. Buy a subscription. It's only $30 for three months, and you can download anything in their archives. Including all the MilBoys clothing. There's some that would useful for fantasy. Medieval peasant clothing, lord clothing, Biblical tunics, and Harry Potter-style wizard robes. RDNA had a free outfit for the MilBoy, too, in their 13 Days of Christmas. It's a sort of old-fashioned suit, so it might be useful. (It's still up at their site, I believe.)

If you feel there just aren't enough clothing for the MilBoys, you can ask for a refund from DAZ. They have 30-day money-back guarantee. Just e-mail them.

What gives here? Most people who use poser (if you look at online posts and sales) use it to make pictures of nude or scantly clad women. You can draw your own conclusions as to why. >Did they sell this figure then write em off? If you look at what DAZ actually puts out, they don't do a heck of a lot for any character. They do sell a lot of stuff for their characters but it is mostly brokered for others.

I have this sneaking suspicion that DAZ makes most of its money in the initial introduction of new characters, etc. In other words, if an item is introduced during a sale, and has lots of supporting stuff, people are liable to be caught up in the excitement, and buy as much stuff as they can afford. After that introductory period, the excitement drops off, and its time to introduce another character with supporting stuff. Eventually, there will be characters that are neglected or forgotten, such as the Millennium Kids, Shazam, etc. That suspicion seems to bear itself out, which is one reason I often refuse to jump in during the introduction of new figures. I'd rather wait a few weeks and see just what DAZ has to go with those new characters. I gave up on the "original" Millennium Kids a year or so ago, and have yet to buy the Millennium Young Teens. They seem to have faded back from the spotlight a bit.

And most of the boys are into one or the other of those clothing habits I can't wrap my head around, like pants so loose they hang a foot below their waist.

There you go.....problem solved!

Just conform a set of pants for M2 or M3 to the Milboy -- and you've got the look down cold. No scaling necessary.

I sure hope they don't do the same with Laura and Luke, I just got them!?!?

I wouldn't worry about Laura. She'll have tons of stuff created for her. Reason? Simple: it sells.

Luke, on the other hand.....poor boy......will have next to nothing by comparison. Reason? It doesn't sell very well.

Most people who use poser (if you look at online posts and sales) use it to make pictures of nude or scantly clad women. You can draw your own conclusions as to why.

For the same reason that magazines designed to appeal to men feature cover pictures of attractive young women.

AND for the same reason that magazines designed to appeal to women mostly feature pictures of attractive young women on the cover.

The message to the man: Buy this magazine, and own this babe!

The message to the woman: Buy this magazine, and you can look like this babe!

Of course, in the current Era of PC Error -- pointing out the obvious differences between men and women can quickly result in loud, hysterical screaming.

But magazine marketing types understand their target groups. They know what sells magazines.

Likewise, Poser merchants know what sells Poser products.

And it ain't stuff for the Mil Boys.

I wonder if we can get a big government research grant to figure out why?

Those lousy, dirty MEN! Why do they always have to act like.......men..........? Why don't they act like something else......something other than what they are?

Oh, well.....the Era of PC Error will pass away, too.

Fads always do.

Why do they even bother doing men models???? What a waste....I think Sprinter..who did a great CD of girls clothes..should do one for boys clothes...but I'm dreaming. My days of buying men models are OVER. GRRRRRRRR......

I think you're wrong. Laura won't get a lot of stuff. The MilGirls sure didn't. I think the trend is toward the toon girls. The Girl, Aiko, etc. M3 and V3 do pretty well, because they're the main male and female figures, but David and SP didn't get very much attention, and there's no reason to think Luke and Laura will fare any better.

Why do they even bother doing men models????

I tend to agree with the underlying idea of this question.

However, I do have the occasional use for M3 in a scene. But nowhere near as often as for Victoria, of course. I'd estimate the ratio at around 97% V3 (and subset SP) -- 3% or so for M3.

M3 is about as interesting as watching grass grow.

That's why David was a kind of unnecessary model. I know, I know....some say that he's better than M3, and all that.

But I don't own David. Nor am I likely to.

And I strongly suspect that I'm in the vast majority.

I've barely been able to find enough clothes for David and Stephanie 3. The helpful thing is some are morphing outfits so I can easily fit them to various body shapes.

Hmm, do yo think some figures are naked just because we don't have any clothes for them? I can't help wonder if we get the right story. I've heard two: 1.) There isn't enough demand 2.) They don't sell well If we don't see many Millennium Boys items offered, how can we buy them?

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The MilGirls sure didn't.

I beg to differ.

By comparison to V3, sure -- but by comparison to the Mil Boys......?

There's no comparison. The Mil Girls got "tons" of stuff. When compared to the Mil Boys, that is.

Search the MP. There's no shortage of items for the Mil Girls. Not as much as one would like to see, perhaps. But the supply is fairly healthy.

Lots more than David will ever have.

Laura can't go toe-to-toe with V3. She's not old enough.

But Laura will have plenty of stuff in her own right.

That's true....My wish for the New Year...if one puts a oout a new character...support it....I'll be waiting months, from now on before I buy any new character.....tired of watching my $$$ being flushed down the toilet.....Yes...I know...we can all learn to make our own stuff...but people with limited time it will take 1 year+ to learn how to do this...by that time a another new version has come out...so what's the point...~sigh~ Actually...come to think of it...I need NO other characters...I have men/women/kids...have no use for toons.

Yes, the females always have more clothes than the males. But hey, that's true in RL, too. My mom has a huge walk-in closet full of clothes. My dad has a small telephone booth of a closet. His closet is half empty, Mom's is stuffed, despite having those "California Closet" organizers installed, that let you pack clothes into every square inch.

It was quite a while before the PT MilGirl started to get stuff. (I know, because I was among the people constantly begging for stuff for her.) There's still very little for the PS girl.

I think David might end up with more stuff than Laura. He's such a superior figure. Laura is really not that different from SP. Heck, SP is a much more versatile figure, and she sure doesn't have much stuff (though DAZ is supporting her more than they ever did the MilKids). Mike has more stuff than the PT girl, that's for sure.

If support is what you're concerned about, V3 and M3 are the way to go. I'm not as concerned about it as I used to be. Poser 5 (and its cloth room) makes it much easier to fit clothing to different characters. David can wear M3's shirts, Laura can wear V3's dresses. It's gotten to the point that I prefer dynamic clothing anyway. It looks so much more natural than conforming.

Bobbie, in a way you're right. It's sort of chicken or egg problem. I think all it takes is a few influential people to make the difference. No, Laura will never be as popular as V3, but if a few good merchants or freebie makes support her, she'll get some stuff. This is why I think David has a chance. He won't displace M3, but enough merchants and freebie makers have taken a shine to him that he's getting some support. Stuff so nice that people end up buying the figure so they can use it.

Interesting that DAZ chose to market Luke and Laura as a set this time. Instead of a set of girls of different ages, you get a boy and girl who are the same age. Perhaps it was an effort to make sure Luke got some support? If so, it appears to be working. Luke's already got more stuff than the MilBoys. "Nude Dude" turned out to be an inappropriate name. :-)

...have no use for toons.

Agree 110%.

If M3/David stuff started to sell at anything like the V3 level, then we'd see a huge influx of clothing, hair, etc. created for the males. After all, the majority of the merchants are in this game to make money.

But this isn't going to happen.

Not much interest there......otherwise, the sales figures would look very different from what they do.

It's that irritating Human Nature thing again. Message edited on: 01/02/2005 22:55

I just can't find enough "Real World" clothes for Mike 3, David, She Freak or the Freak. Since I can't find enough of what I want, I won't buy what I don't want. Then they can turn around and say we don't buy enough so they won't make more. Round and Round we go.

I think it will take more than few people to change that; that is such a major change. But yeah, I think it tends to be something of a feedback loop. People who might be interested in DAZ characters if they had normal clothes look around the site, and see only chainmail bikinis, fairy princess gowns, and "work clothes" that would probably get you arrested if you actually tried to wear them to work. ;-) So they figure there's nothing for them there, and move on. While the people who prefer chicks in chainmail immediately whip out their credit cards. And the site skews further and further into fantasyland.

I don't see why content creators don't take advantage of the situation and make 'companion sets' to go with their outfits; one for the female and one for the male. Like with the Adventurers and the recent Wizard Robe sets. When they make them I sure see renders using them, but when they don't make them and only make stuff for women then all I see is complaints about "too many scantly clad women in the galleries". ...or perhaps it's because only men can model therefor only the women are getting clothes. Come on, lets see what the women modelers can do!!! but then again, it wouldn't really be that, cuz look at how much Mike and Mike3 have, so why not PreTeen, PreSchool, and Luke??? Could it be that the women modelers are nervous working with under aged boys??? hmmmm, I thought women liked a strong young buck once in a while...one would think so if they watch the news these days 8o Come ladies, come on outta the closet and show us the boy toys you've been hiding, come on now, don't be embarassed!

After all this discussion, I'm looking very closely at Shade LE Version 7. It's $49 for Poser users. I'm not sure if I could learn to model clothes well enough to sell them. (The way "Politics" go in Poserland sometimes, I might not even try.) At least maybe I could learn to create some simple "Real World Scenes" to satisfy my own needs.

I think that the reason there isn't much in the way of male clothes, is there isn't a lot to make like for women. Give the guys a pair of dress pants jeans shorts etc and thats about it. But women have a lot of variety of clothing, A-line skirts, pleated skirts, Fancy blouses, T shirts, tube tops, ball gowns, prom gowns, camisole tops, mini skirts, maxi skirts, jeans, capris, short shorts, etc. So it's a lot easier to come up with ideas for womens clothing then mens. jmho

That's part of it, but characters like David don't even have the basics. Heck, even M3 doesn't have a nice formal suit. DAZ made V3 and SP wedding gowns, but no tux for M3. Maybe it's one of those Massachussetts weddings, with two brides and no groom. ;-)

Another odd thing is that male clothes tend to have far fewer morphs than female clothes. A lot of the barbarian armor sets and such out there don't have "barbarian" or "muscular" morphs built in. Which is really odd, since M3 in his default state looks more like an accountant than a warrior.

The clothing for the millkids is a shame, I got the new teens through some vouchers. But I have found virtually nothign worthwhile, which is a shame because they're pretty good models. I'd love some sci-fi stuff or clothes along the lines of Wusamah's clothing line. It'll never happen though, as has been said, not enough money. Perhaps we need to do a letter writing campaign :-)

"characters like David don't even have the basics. Heck, even M3 doesn't have a nice formal suit. DAZ made V3 and SP wedding gowns, but no tux for M3" That's what I'm saying, for many of the clothing made for the women they are Completly missing their Counter Parts for the men. This also greatly limits the use of even the women's clothing. Heck, I have both V2&3 wedding dresses but with no groom complete a wedding scene it has just sat unused on my hard drive....what a waist. And sure I have ISO's maid outfit but without a Buttler outfit for Mike that too limits it's use... Yet another reason I haven't even gotten David and never bothered to get the MilBoys, and even several clothing items for women I have to ask myself "Do I realy need it just to do simple portaits since there isn't going to be a male counter part to do scenes??" "I got the new teens through some vouchers" I too got the YoungTeens via vouchers, without the vouchers I had no intention of paying for them as I was worried they'd end up like the PreTeens and only the girl would have any real use without clothing. And I'm wondering if the YoungTeens will ever get a Character Pack like Mike/Victoria/PreTeens/M3/V3 did. I hope so as it is still early to write that wish off yet. I still feel that the young males need some support, and if they did then there would be alot more use of them. It's not that it won't sell but rather that it doesn't exist to buy! Wounld be nice to see something other then a nekkid little boy dunking a fully clothed little girl's ponytail in an ink well, or somthing other then a nekkid little boy chasing a fully clothed little girl around with a frog ;p

I'm really convinced that you see the majority of supporting items for new characters when they first come out. If you don't see more items within a few weeks, you won't see them. That's because any store makes most of its money on new characters during their introduction. Once the next "big thing" comes by, it takes over the attention. Then it's replaced by the next "big thing."

My wishlist for the teens would be: 1) Some kind of sci-fi clothing, not bodysuits, but kind of like Avenger Reloaded from RDNA, Wusumah's When Tomorrow Comes/Liquid Halo. Casual/everyday stuff for the future. I'm biased cause I do sci-fi, but hey. 2) Just general clothes, jeans, t-shirt, casual jacket, coat etc. I don't mean the basic looking ones that are out, the kind of quality Billy-T and Wusumah put into their stuff, stuff that can stand next to the adults rather than sticking out like a sore thumb. 3) Fit files for the hairs Daz have, very annoying that they haven't produced those. What if a bunch of us interested in these clothes each donate $20 to a merchant to come up with something, I'm sure somebody would be up for a comission that they can sell afterwards. I know it takes time to make clothing, so how about we give an incentive. It's tricky, and annoying at the same time. Best wishes Jody

Oh, check the Products Update page at DAZ. I do see a few hair updates to include the Young Teens. I'm sorry, but I can't afford to donate money to an artist just to inspire him/her to create what I want.

I have this sneaking suspicion that DAZ makes most of its money in the initial introduction of new characters, etc. Bingo has been called. Actually, since I use Ichiro so much, I got tired of the lack of stuff for him and started modifying items for David and M2 and M3: surprisingly, it doesnt take much -- just some dial work more than anything else. You might want to give it a shot for the MilBoy as well.

I'm sorry, but I can't afford to donate money to an artist just to inspire him/her to create what I want. you're not donating to inspire, you'll get the product (at or near the market price) and input into its creation and the artist will get all the money (not just what the % the brokering site will give) plus the right to sell it to anyone else. the question would be how much would be needed to get a modeler and/or texture artist to do it? a potential problem is getting enough people committed (paid up) to a particular product.

I'd join up to pay an artist to prduce mul kids clothing. Jack

I might join in depending on if i need the item and how much it will cost.

Hmmm... and then there's the 3rd party figures like Natalia and Elle which receive no support whatsoever because the adult female market is dominated by Vicki.