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I'm sure this applies to some of what I posted and I understand why these rules exist. I'm gonna have to edit or remove some of my stuff. I'm still debating over whether or not I should just remove them (and put a link to my site) rather than censoring them. What's your guys' take on this?

Well I'd say move the more questionable ones to a new site. I went thru all 14 of your gallery pages and only saw a few that would likely be breaking the new TOS. But certainly none that I would consider child pornography. Its sad that there is a dark side to humanity and that measures like these need to be taken (to avoid lawsuits). No more cherubs allowed :(

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To be honest, Alvin, I never actually tought of it, but here it goes: I certanly have no desire to look politically correct, but I still believe that those guidelines are OK and not difficult to follow, the only problem is that some characters (like G.I.R.L., Sara, anime ones and alike) may look decieving when it comes to it, so I guess, lot of subjective opinions (and complaints) are gonna take place, maybe using Vickie might sound boring, lol, but it looks like a safest route to me ! :D

My take is since the TOS is seldom enforced it doesnt mean anything, but I understand the well-intentioned reasons for having these changes made. Its unfortunate but there are some real sickos out there and I do hope that Renderosity is serious and not just fanning hot air up our asses by skirting around legal issues by providing a simple disclaimer. Not that I would want to see them but I havent been made aware that such practices were taking place here although I am aware the TOS has been broken many times before and the administration has chosen to look the other way. This certainly puts a crimp on serious artists who have nothing but good intentions in showcasing the masterpiece that is the human form and in that respect this appeasement falls far short. Certainly one can tell when something is pornographic or have lascivious intent but their solution is to take a general broad brush to the matter making their work easier for them but imposing limitations to the true artist. I guess cherubs, elves and fairies are going to have to dress up from now on. In your case maybe I would edit the questionable ones and place a revision notice on them redirecting the viewer to the legitimate work at your site.

I just deleted an image....:-( My left hand had to step in to push the delete-thingy...now I'm wondering what to do with my latest 2 posts...:-( So what will be next...nekkid robots.... What will happen when you change the body-texture into a metal-texture...will it still be considered naked...?? I do understand we have to have some rules (for the sick people)...but where will it end........

Way over the top. Way, way over the top. As Ang said, no cherubs. Then, there will be no flatchested, Modigliani-like-elongated fairies in semi-transparent clothes. Hmmm, that might not be a bad thing. :-) But this is the tops: "characters under the age of 18" How do you determine that a model looks over 18? I know 25-year-old women who look like they are 15. I've seen 16-year-old girls who look like they are 25. The size of the bust is not a measure. The "Renderosity team discretion" is not a factual thing, so expect a lot of conflict. Ang put her finger right on it - to avoid lawsuits. Unfortunately, Renderosity is located in the litigation-happy USofA and has to protect itself. (And yes, USA are litigastion happy and no amount of protesting will change the fact.) What I wish is they dropped everything from the reasons and just left "the legal liability surrounding child nudity and pornography". Community feedback never meant anything when they wanted something opposite. So cut the crap, be honest and say, "we are afraid some idiot will sue us." I can respect that. But when you want to appear something else, it irritates me. OTOH, what pornography? I'm not aware of Renderosity being a porno site or hosting porno images.

hehe... she said nekkid robots... ^____^

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Actually,......I'm surprised it took this long. This is most likely a response to fall in line(or give the legal appearence of doing so) with the Child Pornograpy Prevention Act of 2002(see attached link). Suppose some high-minded, self-righteous congressman or member of said same's staff came to Renderosity and was offended by an image and took it upon his or herself to make an example of this site. There certainly are enough NVIATWAS and Pinup type images in most galleries to use as examples of the lascivious nature and non-redeeming social value of the entire site. Hence they might conclude that the entire site should be shut down and certain artists be labeled as pornographers, libel to prosecution. Don't think it couldn't happen. This is the Federal Government we're talking about. And since Renderosity is hosted in the U.S. it is considered libel. Now,.........of course, I'm taking this example to the extreme, however,........there are certain segments of the population and the electorate that are conservative to the max. They don't see the need for art at all,.......much less nekid' art of any kind. It may not be fair, but, the admins are merely covering they're collective butts, and ours(the members) too !

Sara in disguise..... :-)

It's a shame that the deviants are forcing us to re-think how we look at our art.

TheBryster,Is that the US government you are refering to as deviants,or the sick perverts!Or both?

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I think I'm legit again! I made a few little changes and now I can't find any TOS violations anymore. It's unfortunate but I understand. I would really hate it if any of my works are used as illegal porn.

Message edited on: 03/21/2005 21:40

Ang..I agree with you about the Cherubs. They are so cute and I don't understand why they wouldn't be allowed!

You know the old saying about burning the orchard down over a few wormy apples. There is a point when censorship is reasonable and completely justifiable - but there's also a point that you can reach when you start burning books and somebodie's saying "BIG BROTHER LOVES YOU - DON'T - YOU - LOVE - BIG - BROTHER?, OBEY - CONFORM - SUBMIT - BELONG..." This is VERY TOUCHY TERRITORY - because on one side it's right on the money correct - and on the other, it's very very scary...

I just deleted the first pic in my gallery. It was a pic of a mother and her daughter frolicking under the sea with a dolphin and other sea life. They were both nude, but I had placed seaweed to discreetly cover anything you couldn't show at a public beach in the US. I had several compliments on how I had managed to use nudity as an expression of freedom, without objectifying the females in a sexual or lewd manner, and I took pride in that. I now am in compliance with the TOS.

It's sure sad, danamo..isn't it? I had to delete 20 images from my own gallery. :(

Message edited on: 03/23/2005 23:19

Finally! And its about time I am tired of all the nude possettes anyhow and maybe it will cut them down. I mean what a bunch of no talent boring crap! I honestly have watched this site go done the hole in recent years. Look over at some of the other artist communities you dont see the big breasted Friday girl. Ok that rant said I am not a big proponent of censorship, but I am glad they did this. You want to go look a nude pixies and fairies then go to renderotica or some other 3D erotica/porn site. Besides a true artist could easily depict fairies clothed, just as they could nude. Now with that said let me say this I find the human form both male and female to be a work of art as beautiful as the heavens above. I appreciate many forms of conveying this beauty as well. And there are some fabulous artists including ones in this post that portray this without malice and without seduction of the innocent. Unfortunately when the people can not offer their own restraint a government will always enforce it for them. And it is more unfortunate we also live in a time when there are horrible monsters who want to destroy this beauty and give meaning to these laws. Predators 30,000 of which are undocumented offenders of heinous crimes against children in California alone (that is just the undocumented ones) and we hear of more sick and disgusting crimes each day. And I am sorry folks but there are people on this very site who portray very questionable art using young looking possettes as well as photos of admittedly under age children nude which do not seem to be reasons of art. I am sorry that I seem to be the only one who agrees with this change but I also believe this to be a positive move although I am sure there is a famous pop star who would disagree. When it comes to children we should draw the line. They are our future and they are innocent!

FYI, vile...I use Daz's PT and PS figures; Koshini and Aiko for my fae pics. Take a look at my gallery and tell me that what I do is wrong in your eyes, please.

Ardiva I like your work and I am more then positive you do not use your Fairy as guise. There are others at Renderosity I am not so sure about. To those who are feeling restrain I am sorry that you had to censor your work. You could always create a web page of your own and continue to display this work right? And should not a community do what is best for the community? I did have one last thing to share how many of you feel that nudity is as bad as violence? Isnt it funny how a breast is worse then depicting horror? Of course when you mix the two then you wind up with a Friday the 13th sequel.

And in answer to your question which is funny because I posted just right after you did asking about your gallery. No Ardiva I do not find your work offensive. And for any potential flames out there look I think nudity has its place but depicting child sexuality under the guise of anything is not ok nor should it ever be tolerated! There is a big difference between naked child fairies, gnomes, humans what have you and then making that being sexual. That is why that guideline is there and if you read it, it is under the discretion of the powers that be a Rosity. Honestly Ardiva did they ask you to remove your work? Or are you doing it of your own free will. Just curious if they are going back and asking artists to do this. Opps scratch that I finished reading the guidelines that requested that the community do this.

Message edited on: 03/23/2005 23:45

From what I understand, they don't ask...they just delete. I voluntarily deleted the ones I thought would be against the TOS before that happened.

What is more unfortunate is that there were some morons (and still are some) that dont know how to depict nudity as an art form. They and other more questionable members who could not restrain themselves are what helped to make the Rosity team come to this decision and bring about this censorship.