HELLO!!!!!!!! I was just wondering something about the way bodies move in poser. I find one area of the body curious in poser; the buttock area. I wonder why the buttocks would be seperated from the thigh. This seems curious to me because movement of the buttock areas (bend, twist, side/side) will move in response to motion of the iliofemoral joint. There is no butt joint, so I always feel strange when I am posing, having to move the buttocks because the buttocks don't just move on their own. Why seperate the buttocks from the thigh? They are one.... at least, the two areas of the body will move as a result of the same joint. Seperating those two areas of the body makes posing more difficult because I am always having to tweak the thigh in accordance with the buttocks. Seperating the collar from the upper arm is almost the same issue, but not exactly. Movement of the collar area will often occur as a result of movement of the arm, ie: horizontally adducting the arm will cause protraction of the collar area. However, the collar area can at least move on its own without reliance on the upper arm, ie: shoulder elevation. This is not the case with the buttocks, and the thigh, however, as movement of the buttocks depends on movement of the thigh. So I can see why the collar and upper arm are seperate, but I wonder why the buttocks and thigh are seperate? Just curious.

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Inserting buttocks between hip and thighs doesn't have anything to do with anatomy. It's a workaround to make the crease between thigh and hip look more natural. The older Poser figures (P4 woman and man) - and, curiously enough, the P6 figuers - do not have buttock body parts. When you bend the P4 nude man/woman thigh forward, as in a sitting position, the crease between hip and thigh looks awful. Do the same with Victoria 2 and the crease looks much more natural. That's all there is to it.

<<When you bend the P4 nude man/woman thigh forward, as in a sitting position, the crease between hip and thigh looks awful.
Do the same with Victoria 2 and the crease looks much more natural.
That's all there is to it.>>

Not True.

Heres Posette vs Vicky 3 (Which was advertised as having even improved posability over Vicky 2).
Guess who is who ? ;-)

Buttocks are just a workaround for people too lazy to do proper rigging. ;-)

stahlratte

Message edited on: 02/06/2006 23:03

I stand corrected. I like that - "buttocks are just a workaround for people too lazy to do proper rigging"

For what it's worth the reason I heard why the Poser 6 characters have taken a 'step back, as it were, and removed the buttock 'bone' from their rigging, is in anticipation of the new rigging solutino coming in Poser 7. Of course, this was just hearsay, and I'm jiggered if I can now remember where I was this nugget of information, but I jut thought I'd pass it on. Rumour has it, that Poser 7 is going to update the rigging set-up so that unsightly creases and other stuf are a thing of the past... But then again, it might just be rumour. jonthecelt

Seeing how many issues there are with P6 and after looking through their forum at CP, I don't have high hopes for P7.