If nudity were to get banned from this site, we'd just have lots and lots of boring, shadowless swimsuit renders, possibly with the same fraction of oversized boobies. Some people might prefer that, but I really don't see the big difference. I think nipples and genitals are as pretty or ugly as any other part of the body and showing them or not does not make the difference between art and porn.

Seeing lots and lots of boring renders of "sexy" females is just the downside of having an easy to use program like Poser with lots of readily available character models.

My 2 cents.
(Edited for typos)

Message edited on: 03/27/2006 20:38

BTW since I'm venting on this tread. I'm tried of all these sizes 48 EEE breasted women with swords. After my wife had the 1st kid, we couldn't play racket ball, anymore because she had no back hand!!! When I want to be a bad boy. I always stand next to my wife on her left side. (She's right handed.) She can't slap me; She has to turn her whole body to get any force behind the swing. By then I can see it coming and move. A sword woman with triple EEE's! All you'd have to do is stand a little offset to the middle of her sword hand she'd mostlike couldn't hit you!

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Still waiting for the ramifications Richardson.

It certainly wouldn't hurt any artists to expand their creativity into the realm of modesty. I think alot of people would come to perfer it if they gave it a try.

Nudity doesn't equal ART no it doesn't but it doesn't negate art either, since you can have art without nudity and you can have art with nudity, Nudity and art are not mutually exclusive. It certainly wouldn't hurt any artists to expand their creativity into the realm of modesty. I think alot of people would come to perfer it if they gave it a try. I personally doubt that, since I think it would tend to stifle creativity rather than expand it. Those that did the images that are complained about probably wouldn't have any more skill at doing them with modesty either. I personally think that there is an abundance of portraits that gets very redundant since they all look the same with very little varition, but I skip over those thumbnails and don't bother to look at them in the gallery. Don't hold your breath on those ramifications, they've been beating this horse for years and they haven't got tired of it yet, it hasn't gotten up and walked in all that time.

It seems apparent to me that nudity has stifled many artists creativity anyway.

Now we wait, children of the net. To see who first shall win the bets. how much longer t'will it be before 'Pervert' and 'Prude' are flung at thee. Berry Lucky Charms and black cherry Fresca go good together.....

Quote - Just wanted to post in one of these threads. Thanks to Geep, Acadia, Casette and PhilC. Oh and a quote from one of those early 'Heavy Metal' magazines: Billy Loves Naked Girls. Best Wishes, Rance pass the popcorn and roll the credits ...

Well, thank you! But what am I being thanked for? LOL Especially in such elite company as Dr. Geep and PhilC?

elite? ....... is that the opposite of eheavy? ;=?

" Still waiting for the ramifications Richardson". Are you just bored? The "ramifications" are out of my hands for the most part. It just sucks seeing it coming. One voice at a time.

I'm surprised nobody has used the term "nazi" yet. according to godwin's law, this topic has been discussed here often enuff to qualify.

Miss Nancy - Oh, oh! Someone's not paying attention here. Look at post 23 again.

I think the term is Hitlertarian: Yell long enough and loud enough and sooner or later you will be believed.

We could make a film. "Bad Nudes Bares".

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=534044

ODF: "Miss Nancy - Oh, oh! Someone's not paying attention here. Look at post 23 again." Oh dear! It's the old man from Scene 23! RUN AWAY! -Python.

off to check if Netflix has any of their DVDs

Hitlerian? O.o Draw nude Adolfs !!! :P

I believe in freedom of expression, but a lot of the nudity here is gratuitous. I put some of the blame on the good folks at Renderosity. You Renderosity folks are promoting the porn-like images by way of your Marketplace. I can't look at any pages without seeing porn-like images or scantilly clad women. Now don't get me wrong I know a beautiful woman when I see one, but the nudity in the Marketplace is a little excessive. I would like to market some items through the Marketplace, but haven't because I would be embarrased to show others my products alongside some of the stuff in there. I also won't allow my kids to come here because of the nudity. I know I may be in the minority on this issue, but I think as stated earlier a little more modesty would go a long way in improving Renderosity. That means those of you who work here and in the Marketplace should also consider ways to clean up the marketplace, then the Galleries will clean themselves up. Well I'm done with my rant, Please don't anyone take it personally it's just my opinion. I consider all of you my fellow artist friends and I think you're all GREAT!! : )

panko "Sorry to disappoint you linda 357, but I need to remind you that Botticelli's Venus is not making dinner or ironing, neither does Goya's Naked Maya, or Renoir's Suzanna, or further back Aphrodite of Melos... :)"

Yes, panko, they do not. But they do not sit there staring at you provocatively and promising all the joys in the world if you join their company either :))) It all about attitude that the artist puts into the model. There are TONS of nude photos in Photography gallery in here which are absolutely awesome and yet do not address the instincts.

It seems that most of the artists that use boobies for the boobies sake tend to forget that a female body is not a sexual object, not ALL the time at least. Sometimes it is a source of beauty. Sometimes it is just ... a body? a tool to live with in the world? and being naked doesn't mean ONLY offering sex. Sometimes, and most of the time being nude is just being nude :) Being a woman I somehow know what I am talking about. I suppose being a man is the same way ^_^

Second skin or tiny pieces of transparent clothes over the floating breasts are not better either :) Even worse, they do not get the nudity tag and you cannot filter them out for kids not to see. Putting it this way: would one of these nude or "clothed" Poser girls fit into a family oriented magazine? Botticelli's Venus will be there pretty comfortable. And Renderosity IS a family site.

Why not getting a special "Erotic" or even "Artistic Nude", if PTB want to keep things safe, gallery in here finally and let the things sort out all by themselves?

... is there any popcorn left? I see that we are out of m&mses already :/

Message edited on: 03/28/2006 02:15

It always happens: the food runs out and every body leaves. Acadia, the link was cool. Those others made me laugh. There, now I've posted in one of THESE threads TWICE and I'm off. Long live the 'floating boobs!' -Rance

Pffffffffffffffffff... the same old story @LMcLean: two points - How can I buy a texture if I can't to see it in their details? For me is important to see if it has freckles, the pubis hair shape, the nipples... I can't to see it without a full nude view - Nudity isn't evil. I allow my kids to see nudity in everywhere: their parents, our museums, etc. And they can't visit Rosity (because they don't know how to use internet - age 6 and 3), but I never will prohibit them to access a site because nudity. Another topic yes. Nudity no @linda357: just past week my son went with the school to El Prado Museum. Do you think they close the kids some zones to avoid they see nudity? Of course no, and he told me that he watched Goya's Naked Maya and still he hasn't any mental disorders because it... ;) BTW, in deviantArt there is a category called "artistic nude". For photography, 3D art, 2D paintings or anything Now we can talk about nude hamsters, or The Naked Truth, or something constructive... :P

don't force me to post in one of these threads THRICE O_O plz! Casette, don't argue with me about the things we completely agree on :)) WHERE FROM in my post did you get the idea that all nudity has to be hidden from the eyes of the youth? Why do you make a witch-hunter out of me? I am not even Christian :( Speaking about nude hamsters I have a totally naked guinea pig walking around and I am completely comfortable with that :)) Something constructive could be asking the aforementioned category, at least for some trial time. Let the boobies fight among themselves in their natural environment :D grabs the last bag of Cheetos and runs away

Let the boobies fight among themselves in their natural environment :D WHOAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ROFL AMEN TO THIS ;)

Omnia sol temperat, purus et subtilis, novo mundo reserat faciem Aprilis, ad amorem properat animus herilis et iocundis imperat deus puerilis. Spring is here, so Nature whispers three and four letter words in our dreams. Mmmm...

By definition, the only way to have 'nudity overkill' is to find a naturist beach at the height of summer and carpet bomb it. Maybe we need a counter on the page to see how many times this thread has risen from the ashes like a psychotic phoenix. Looks to the pile of books where more cheetos are hidden and snickers

I'm gonna have to agree with Miss Nancy(post #11), clothes are such a pain, this clothing fits so and so, that fits another character, THEN for males turn the genitals off..leaving them looking like they have a vagina.
I do mostly male nudes, for that simple reason
I find it hard to believe that with all the brilliant software writers out there, that you couldn't click "conform to" and have any clothing fit any character. I don't mean wardrobe wizard, i mean included in poser. Maybe it can't be done, not sure. I hated m3, so i spent hours, stretching the arms and legs, xscaling the chest area, to get a well balanced musculature, no matter what I use no clothes will fit him, next project is to just learn and study, and make my own i guess. BUT with all that said, NOW, I completely understand why there are so many nudes posted here. OH question clothing creators......Is it not possible to leave genitals on and build the pants, shorts or what ever around them??

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Where's my pillow when I need it? Oh there it is! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1187405&Start=1&Sectionid=1&filter_genre_id=0&WhatsN

... sorry - couldn't resist. ;) [big boobie alert!! - don't look !]

Message edited on: 03/28/2006 09:19

Its ammusing to see that you can't even keep your simple minds focused on what the real issue is. I'm not going to have a battle of wits with unarmed opponenets.

You missed the "real" issue in your focus on nudity, if you want more creativity and quality of images, then encourage more skill in the artists, that'll get them less redundant in all categories.

@Jenay, I SAW IT !!! I SAW IT !!! I'M BLIND !!!

:P @kathym, if you're old in this community, you know that to open a thread such this is like opening Pandora's Box ...

Message edited on: 03/28/2006 10:39

A battle of wits kathym?? Am I to presume starting this post was an invitation to a battle of wits? This beating of a dead horse? This yet another "Really, I'm not a fascist because I don't like _______" The blank has been: Nudity, The T.O.S. and it's changes, Fairies (the kind with wings) etc... Why dear lady are you expecting a battle of wits with an extremely closed minded post in the first place? Honestly this seems to me more like a rant to see how many replies you receive to your post in order to compensate for all the gallery pics that have 1000+ hits on account the t!t$!! It's also comforting to see that you've incorporated this narrow minded view on your bio on your artist page. So the question I pose to you is that if the "ART" created by Poser users which feature nudity, large breasts etc is just "cheap p*rn" (do include myself in that catagory as I have many, many gallery images with the ol' tit's = hits thing going on) sorry back to my question, should we not have "Porno" pages rather than "Artist" pages??? So thanks for starting up yet another "controversial" post (not really controversial as it's been done so many times before) and possibly generating some hits in your own gallery. I see you have some very interesting thumbnails that look very nice, however I have a dreadfully bad taste in my mouth from your bad attitude towards your fellow Renderosity artists that is preventing me from having a looksy at this time. Maybe after the hurt feelings and pain has subsided from the blows we've all received from this post, (LOL!!!) I'll have a look then. So I suppose to be an artist again I have to jump on the ol' bandwagon of the moral right and never again produce any pron ( I spelled it that way on purpose) featuring nudity ( it was our fall from grace in the garden that made us aware of shame which prompted us to hide ourselves in leaves etc) or large breasts ( my wife was naturally an EEE cup after having our daughter) {does that make her a smutty pron 'ho if anyone takes her picture?} Sigh... I think I lost my point somewhere... To clarify: kathym, you're not having a battle of wits with anyone. This has been merely a battle of tits. If any part of ones body is "BIG" in an artistic image does that make it pron too?? I've been seriously packing on some pounds in the last couple of months and my bums gotten some junk in tha trunk action going on... LOL!!! Sadly I add yet another reply to this pathetic plea for attention post. Why not just uncheck the nudity flag and get on with your life rather than broadcast like a dying swan that you "HAD" to uncheck it as all them preverts in the gallery made ya do it! Not only are my two cents spent I think you owe me a nickle now!!! LOL!!! Gerard (fan of nudity, large breasts etc - but not pron)

Strange. I've readed the last post and I've seen only two words... BIG and TITS... _ roflmao

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1187196&Start=1&Artist=ghelmer&ByArtist=Yes

Thanks Casette! LOL!! Way to add fuel to the fire pal!! No viva la revolution for you eh?? :) G

@ghelmer, translate this: TETAS PARA TODOS!! :D

(that's the revolution I say VIVA ;) ) (waiting for tomorrow's version, but post it before the eclipse) XD

Message edited on: 03/28/2006 11:01

I do not think threads like this are a reaction to nudity always, but to a series of events that assualt ones state of mind at the time. I stopped viewing many galleries because of the influx of one type of image or another. (one site had an influx of LOTR Images that just got old after the 25th image of Gandalf on the bridge!) Sometimes Galleries become nothing more than flipping through a Mug Shot Book. After awhile they start to blend together as you the viewer stops seeing the uniqueness and starts seeing the simularities. Notice the generalizations posted about images in the Gallery. I have always been a proponent of limited Image Galleries for members. Each member could have only 10 images in their Gallery, (kind of like a Gallery exhibit of up and coming artists where they have to choose what images they place in the gallery.) Those images that win contests or other imagining limit events would not count towards the users total, as long as they left it in their gallery. Being named AOM would also allow you a couple extra slots to your Gallery. I wonder which 10 images some would select if that was all they could have in their gallery.

10 images in a gallery ... now that would be a great way to do it.... I think I'll leave my nudes for the hits. One of the points I made above, which was somewhat overshadowed but for one comment which was not referencing my statement, was that of originality. I truly believe that is the essence. My images are somewhat in that vane ... I try to be original...perhaps my end result isn't up to par yet, but most is original....at least compared to the big uns with the swords, pinups, etc...although I do love to do portraits.

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i should have my head examined, since i am about to make my first post here to a thread about nudity -- a perennial favourite subject for riling the natives in any visual arts environment. hi. waves. i am not a prude (said in best richard nixon voice), but... the original post struck a chord, because i'd just been rolling my eyes at yet another nude with large breasts, this one especially eyeroll-worthy because it was offered as a "what if -- women would run the world". i barely restrained myself from commenting that if women were running the world, they'd not be going to war topless and in hotpants. and that was not actually the worst boob image of the day. so yeah, it would improve my viewing experience here if there were fewer such works of "art" present. but ya know? i am really not at all opposed to nudity. two of my favourite artists are represented on my fledgling homepage with nude images. ratscloset has hit the nail on the head: it's just the amount of bad art featuring giant boobs that overwhelms at times, and today was one of those days, which is why the original post here struck that chord. there are other things that cause an eye roll (can some people not say anything other than "fanatsic scene and excelllent!!11!11!" in their comments?), and at those moments i'd like a filter for "crap that grates on my nerves". grin. so, really -- it's a personal thing; it's about me, not about the images. as a matter of fact i like it that renderosity allows nudity, and as a new poser artist, i concur with some of the folks here who said a lot of nudity is the result of being new to this -- i have a hard enough time as yet to create a realistic pose of my own, and am currently working to understand how poser does lighting; i don't actually want to be thinking about fitting clothing yet. creating good skin is also a marvelous challenge, and one i am not familiar with, because poser is the first 3D program in which i am rendering people. i am sure my experience is not unique. my favoured solution to both, allow everyone's way of expression even if juvenile, and to spare the weary the 20,000th giant boob job, is to fix the damn filters, and to lean on people to enforce checking the box. so, to whom does one appeal for software fixes around here?

I don't do boob pics because I don't want hits based on them. If someone clicks on my image then I want to be sure that the viewer is attracted by something else than boob job :) I do pictures for myself and my own circle of friends and do not care if I get popular :) I am not an -=* Artist* =- in 3d, rather an experimenter. The only thing that amuses me about the breasticles pics is that why most of these artists do not have time to pose the eyes and tweak the expression so that vickies don't stare blankly into space, but ALWAYS have time to tweak the boob size and shape to perfection and fit these teensy weensy cloth straps over them carefully? :D Artists will never cease to amuse me be it 2D or 3D :)) Michal 4blueyes

pleonastic: well said. The only valid arguments I see are the nudity filter not working correctly and artists that do not use the nudity tag when appropriate. If you don't want to see nudity on 'rosity, you should be able to rely on the nudity filter. As long as the Renderosity TOS allow nudity, there WILL be nudity. As long as Renderosity is a hobbyist site, there WILL be "bad art" (though I'd rather call it "beginners art"). As long as there are newbies, there WILL be images with bad shadows, floating feet, and empty stares. Heck, we were all beginners once, and many of us still are (including myself). No reason to blast them - on the contrary, we should encourage newbies and give them tips on how to make better images!

Its ammusing to see that you can't even keep your simple minds focused on what the real issue is. I'm not going to have a battle of wits with unarmed opponenets. Unarmed, indeed. bonni

So, no nudes is good nudes?

Usually a thread near 100 posts, or it's a very interesting one, or is a bunch of nonsenses... And the category of this obviously is... ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZzzzzZZzZzzzzZZZzzzzzzzZzZzzzzzz

I believe the word is "circular". :-D

The circle of life :P

I'd agree with that since what svdl said in post #94 is what I said in post #16 that seems pretty circular to me. But it seems that kathym is only concerned about a certain type of nudity since she said in post #17 that she would welcome more male nudity and only objects to what she called "hormone driven artwork."

And around and around it goes, where it stops nobody knows The limited gallery idea might be a good one though, I don't actually need 260+ in my gallery except as a back up and an archive once in a while and I bet very few people ever look past the 1st page. It might improve the quality of the images uploaded if the artists had to only put the best in there. But that might not work for the new images if they just deleted some and put some others of the same type in everyday, we'd still have the same problem.

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Yes. A ten image limit makes sense. (completely ignores the original topic, since there isn't an answer for that)