e-frontier have announced a professional version of Poser, with a 64-bit network-capable render engine, and enhanced import/export options using COLLADA. No price details yet, but there will be a upgrade price for Poser 7 owners. The description pitches it firmly into the pofessional CGI world.

LOL, X-posted, I also said something similar in another post!!

Any word on a ship date???

jeffg3, check my other thread, it's on there!!! [LOL].

So the current version isn't professional? 

Poser 7 SR2 U (-nprofessional) ???

:b_grin: :b_funny:

Yeppers!

Lessee...It's like this: Cheapo=Hobbyist

High-End Price tag= High End Proffessional paying out of COMPANY coffers!

Money rules--fools drools! :lol:

Hobbiest need to take a back seat...........lol

perhaps it means that "poser 8 standard edition" will still allow default users to render giant-boobed zombies with nostril-glow.

I'm very sorry, but it looks like another eFrontier trick to obly poor Poser-addict users to spend more money....

I have no 64-bits computer. So maybe I'll buy it when they release Poser7 64b SR2 (of course, following traditions, the new Poser7 64b will be a bunch of crashes until a couple of service packs... or three :lol: )

I'm looking forward to this one.  Who knows?  Perhaps Poser will even get some respect..........

But of course: we are no doubt talking a good bit more of a cash outlay than has traditionally been the case with Poser.  With some hobbyists already grousing over the cost of P7: this one will probably cause apoplexy in a few instances.  But highend users should be happy.  They'll now be able to acknowledge that they've got Poser installed on their machines -- because it will have cost them enough to be worth bragging about.

I have little doubt that this new professional version of Poser will be worth the expense.  But I've always thought that Poser was worth the expense.

Quote - I'm looking forward to this one.  Who knows?  Perhaps Poser will even get some respect..........

But of course: we are no doubt talking a good bit more of a cash outlay than has traditionally been the case with Poser.  With some hobbyists already grousing over the cost of P7: this one will probably cause apoplexy in a few instances.  But highend users should be happy.  They'll now be able to acknowledge that they've got Poser installed on their machines -- because it will have cost them enough to be worth bragging about.

I have little doubt that this new professional version of Poser will be worth the expense.  But I've always thought that Poser was worth the expense.

QFT

This is exciting news. Now I have to start considering a way to get my hands on a 64-bit machine...

And then you must wait for Bug-free Version 2 years.

Quote - And then you must wait for Bug-free Version 2 years.

... as usual :woot: :lol:

Oh......I dunno.  I'll wait to actually see and use the program before I'll make any final judgements about it.

The majority of users of P7 were and are happy.

I have a 64-bit machine but at the moment I am not running a 64-bit OS as I saw no need to have a 64-bit OS since 95% of all apps are still in the 32-bit mode. This may change if the new poser 64-bit is worth merit. I ASS_ume that you will need a 64-bit OS to make poser 64 happen. Actually, I'd like to get a 64-bit OS cuase I am sick of winXP holding you back on ram usage my present machine can take more ram than XP can use.

Two words: WOO HOO!!! For my money, the ability to work natively with high-end applications--in my case Cinema 4D--is worth ANY upgrade price. I've been killing myself for years with jumping through hoops to make Poser animation and C4D work together. When I saw the announcement today that Poser will work with C4D (and on the Mac, even!) I nearly wept for joy. I think it's always been Poser's inability (refusal?) to work with high-end apps that has kept it at the hobbyist level, so this is a big moment for Poser and anybody who has always wanted to untap its true potential. Embrace the possibilities!--Tim

Quote - Embrace the possibilities!--Tim

That's my preferred approach to things.  It beats misery in one's outlook everytime.

After spending $129 on Poser 7, which basically only implemented a working undo command, I think I'll skip this one.

Any idea on how much it will actually cost?  If it's cheap enough to upgrade I still might consider it, but I doubt it...

Nope, I don't think that anyone knows.......and no doubt those who actually do know are sworn to secrecy for the time being.

$129?  That's a little less than the average price of a meal for two at a Ruth's Chris Steakhouse.

http://www.ruthschris.com/reservations/?Pubid=370&3

So the 64bit render is 64bit-width bitplane or 64bit instruction code optimized?
Or both? :-O

I simply spent two SR to obtain an usable P7. While this, I used P6

This time I pass. No matter a winter queen, a casino, or an Alan Alda in ballet costume as add-on

I just read the announcment on the RSS feed. This makes me mad. Who are they trying to kid? Those of us who wanted to use the higher end programs already moved onto them.

Quote - This makes me mad.

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May I inquire as to why?  Does e-frontier not have the.....uh......"right".....to release any software package that they wish?  Or is it that you are "mad" because this announcement wasn't made prior to you getting into some other app(s)?  Or is it because you believe e-frontier (the makers of Shade -- very popular in Japan) to somehow be incapable of producing a "pro"-level app -- so how DARE they try?

Speaking as a Lightwave user -- I am very much looking forward to having a version of Poser which will offer full integration with high-end apps.

It makes me angry that they want to nickel and dime everyone to death.

Where's the x64 support in P7? Not everyone needs to have "professional" level apps, but most of the new computers I see these days are 64 bit.

Thanks guys. :m_thumbu:

I have Cinema w/interPoser Pro and Vue Infinite (both of which have 32 and 64 editions on the discs), so I've taken care of all my needs but Poser is just faster at doing some things than trying to do them in these other programs.

COLLADA! Native network Rendering! Unless they ask for the golden left testicle of ILM's key mesh jockey, it'll be worth it. Now if we can talk eon into COLLADA support for Vue Infinite.... >:D

COLLADA for Lightwave is less then steller.  With Lightwave 9 changing due to beta and updates this plugin will be sure to be out of wack really quickly.

WTF is COLLADA????

Quote - WTF is COLLADA????

It's supposed to be a unified file format. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COLLADA
How this is different from OBJ I'm not sure.

Let's hope it's not the same price difference as in Shade to Shade Pro.

This will help Daz out. With the new Carrara6 that has collada and imports all poser and DS files direct with better lighting and renderer, at about the same price as Poser now. I wonder how many will drop Poser and go that route instead. That is if it works and not like the major SNAFU of hex2.2.

EF may have lost the hobbiest battle, shame, I always liked poser but this P7 has been the only version I've had problems with, I've had every version from P4 and up,  and I have a new machine. 64bit dual core, but with a 32 bit os. I upgraded more for my Vue6I, well now it's Vue6.5I. But every app I have runs like a charm on it except Poser7, even with the setting that ef suggested and then all my other apps suffer. Not cool.

So like some, I'll wait and see what becomes of poser before I judge it and hope that ef can get thier act together. As I already have Carrara5pro, I'm wondering if upgrading to C6Pro will delete the need for poser.

OK -- so if I"m following you correctly, you are upset because P7 wasn't a 64-bit app -- which would have effectively made it into the same thing as this new "pro" app.  Which would have meant P7 costing a lot more than it does.  Which would have priced many hobbyists right out of the market.

P7 wasn't intended to be what this program is going to be.  And as for "nickel & diming everyone to death" -- no one has to buy this new software.  For that matter, no one had to buy P7, either.........or any of the other software packages that we've bought.

I have Vue Infinite, too.  Plus several other applications.  And I'm going to be more than happy to see this new version of Poser added to my toolbox.  Rather than getting personally offended because e-frontier is actively engaged in developing and advancing their product -- I'll plan on enjoying what new things they have to offer to me.

But........I have to acknowledge one point: it just wouldn't be a properly-done new Poser release: without the event being accompanied by lotsa bellyaching for this reason / that reason going on in the forums.  Even with the software sight-unseen as of yet.  We've got a grand TRADITION that we've got to uphold here..........

Quote - OK -- so if I"m following you correctly, you are upset because P7 wasn't a 64-bit app -- which would have effectively made it into the same thing as this new "pro" app.  Which would have meant P7 costing a lot more than it does.  Which would have priced many hobbyists right out of the market.

How does making a binary for 32 and 64 jack up the price? Since computers are heading in that direction anyways, isn't it a good thing to offer your customers this?

Quote - P7 wasn't intended to be what this program is going to be.  And as for "nickel & diming everyone to death" -- no one has to buy this new software.  For that matter, no one had to buy P7, either.........or any of the other software packages that we've bought.

I just want 64 bit support so now I have to buy this too, I don't need it for anything else. Thus, nickel and diming.

I do have to agree with the person who mentioned Shade, that is one heck of a price difference. $50-$100 wouldn't matter to me so much, but hundreds? Heck, I can buy net render and MOCCA for Cinema for that price.

Quote - EF may have lost the hobbiest battle, shame

I'm.......frankly baffled as to how the announced release of a new pro-level software would lead one to such a conclusion.  Nor have I seen any evidence to support such a conclusion.  If anything, Poser is bigger than ever.  Especially in light of the fact that they are now seeking to expand their horizons.  Good deal, in my book.

Nothing against DAZ Studio -- and I also have Carrara 5.  DAZ is enjoying a lot of success, too.  The pool of "hobbyists" from which these companies draw is getting larger all of the time.  So I don't see anyone going down the tubes just yet........just the opposite, in fact.

Quote - How does making a binary for 32 and 64 jack up the price? Since computers are heading in that direction anyways, isn't it a good thing to offer your customers this?

Oh......I suspect that there's going to be a lot more to this than just 64-bit support.  But for those who only need 64-bit, and nothing else -- here it is.  Once again: that wasn't what P7 was intended to be.

And, oh yeah......it appears that "offering their customers this" is precisely what they are doing here.

Quote - I do have to agree with the person who mentioned Shade, that is one heck of a price difference. $50-$100 wouldn't matter to me so much, but hundreds? Heck, I can buy net render and MOCCA for Cinema for that price.

Once again, we're jumping the gun here.  Which isn't unusual.

Here's a reminder (whispering): *we haven't seen the price structure yet: so we are engaging in pure-T speculation.*Personally, I'll wait until I actually know what the pricing structure IS, before I start slamming e-frontier for it.

Quote - Heck, I can buy net render and MOCCA for Cinema for that price.

Maybe......but wouldn't that be an example of Cinema users being "nickel and dimed to death"?  Why wasn't that functionality built into the program to begin with?  Isn't it inherently unfair that you are required to shell out more money in order to achieve it?  :biggrin:

"I'm.......frankly baffled as to how the announced release of a new pro-level software would lead one to such a conclusion."

Simple, The average hobbiest will look for the app that gives the most for thier buck. If Carrara6 gives about the same as Poser pro at less money and more than Poser for the same price, where do you think that money is going to be spent. That is not rocket science.

I have not said it was a bad thing, I have pointed out something that we will get to see how it plays out. For the better or worse, time will tell. I have read quite a bit of long time poser users jumping ship these days, more so than the P5 days. There are options now to go to.

Quote - Maybe......but wouldn't that be an example of Cinema users being "nickel and dimed to death"?  Why wasn't that functionality built into the program to begin with?  Isn't it inherently unfair that you are required to shell out more money in order to achieve it?  :biggrin:

Cinema is offered for a cheaper price if you buy everything at once, but $3000 is a lot to shell out isn't it? :biggrin:

Besides, those are modules and not a full up new program.

IMO, options are a great thing.  I love having options.  I even have Poser 7 and DAZ Studio installed together on the same machine.

But the Poser user pool isn't shrinking.  It's getting bigger all of the time.  And the release of this new package will probably have no other effect than to make it bigger still.  Or at least I'd say that's the way to bet, based upon the evidence of prior trends.

What a discussion,...I think the fact that there is finally some integration with apps like maya, c4d, lightwave,...etc.  That is my 1st reason to go with the pro version.  Distributed rendering - ohhh how I've wanted that for some time, but I still wonder how well poser will manage scenes with a great many objects (so-so, as far as I can tell at the moment).

The thing is about poser is the UI - I can get stuff done FAST in poser, and when I mean fast, I mean aesthetically-fast as far as the model is concerned.

If you are a hobbyist, don't get pro, why would you need it anyway?

If you make money with poser like I do, then it might be worth it - especially for the built-in integration with renderers other than Shade (I just hate the Shade UI, hate - hate- hate)!

Quote - Cinema is offered for a cheaper price if you buy everything at once, but $3000 is a lot to shell out isn't it? :biggrin:

Besides, those are modules and not a full up new program.

Doesn't matter -- I still say that Cinema users are being nickel and dimed to death.  At least that's true for Cinema users if it's true for Poser users.  An expense is an expense -- be it for a plug-in, or for a new program.  In fact, it's even worse when the money is going for mere plug-ins: because that's just a way of cheating customers out of more of their hard-earned cash (at least it is according to the reasoning of some).

$3000 is pretty standard money for those who are used to high-end app prices.  Poser comes a little cheaper than that..........and I suspect that this new version will be a little cheaper than that, too.  But hey -- rather than being slowly nickel and dimed to death, it's better just to take it all in one solid shot: and get it over with in a hurry.

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Speaking as a Lightwave user -- I am very much looking forward to having a version of Poser which will offer full integration with high-end apps.

FROM THE EF WEBSITE:

"Better Integration with Professional Environments
Realize the added benefit of quickly animating with Poser’s pre-rigged characters inside of host application such as Autodesk’s 3ds Max and Maya, and Maxon’s CINEMA 4D. PLAYBACK  Poser scenes in other powerful 3D applications for increased productivity and access to pre built, modifiable content."

" HOSTING Plugins
Directly host Poser scenes including geometry, textures, animation data, and more in the following applications:
Autodesk 3D Studio Max Windows
Autodesk Maya Mac and Windows
Newtek's Lightwave Mac and Windows
Maxon's Cinema 4D Mac and Windows"

 you actually  wont have "Full Integration" of Poser content in Lightwave
from the language it is clear that  this is the Old Propack4 "Hosting Plugs updated
Meaning you Do everything in poser and Host the scene in LW ,MAX ,C4D etc, to render only

Any changes required??
 you go back to poser and redo and 'rehost "or hit update button in "host" application.

Interaction with LW powerful cloth engine ?......NO

import of Poser Shaders..??..........  not mentioned  in the specs so Highly unlikely

Newtek releases a point upgrade( LW 9.7.9 or whatever) and your hosting plugin stops working
..........VERY Likely

But its bettter that nothing for you who dont have Cinema4D and the true COMPLETE solution of Interposer pro

Quote - Two words: WOO HOO!!! For my money, the ability to work natively with high-end applications--in my case Cinema 4D--is worth ANY upgrade price. I've been killing myself for years with jumping through hoops to make Poser animation and C4D work together. When I saw the announcement today that Poser will work with C4D (and on the Mac, even!) I nearly wept for joy. I think it's always been Poser's inability (refusal?) to work with high-end apps that has kept it at the hobbyist level, so this is a big moment for Poser and anybody who has always wanted to untap its true potential. Embrace the possibilities!--Tim

Tim, I was going to type almost the same thing......
Almost = because I'm using Lightwave.
Great News for me.

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Speaking as a Lightwave user -- I am very much looking forward to having a version of Poser which will offer full integration with high-end apps.

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FROM THE EF WEBSITE:

"Better Integration with Professional Environments
Realize the added benefit of quickly animating with Poser’s pre-rigged characters inside of host application such as Autodesk’s 3ds Max and Maya, and Maxon’s CINEMA 4D. PLAYBACK  Poser scenes in other powerful 3D applications for increased productivity and access to pre built, modifiable content."

" HOSTING Plugins
Directly host Poser scenes including geometry, textures, animation data, and more in the following applications:
Autodesk 3D Studio Max Windows
Autodesk Maya Mac and Windows
Newtek's Lightwave Mac and Windows
Maxon's Cinema 4D Mac and Windows"

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 you actually  wont have "Full Integration" of Poser content in Lightwave
from the language it is clear that  this is the Old Propack4 "Hosting Plugs updated
Meaning you Do everything in poser and Host the scene in LW ,MAX ,C4D etc, to render only

Any changes required??
 you go back to poser and redo and 'rehost "or hit update button in "host" application.

Interaction with LW powerful cloth engine ?......NO

import of Poser Shaders..??..........  not mentioned  in the specs so Highly unlikely

Newtek releases a point upgrade( LW 9.7.9 or whatever) and your hosting plugin stops working
..........VERY Likely

But its bettter that nothing for you who dont have Cinema4D and the true COMPLETE solution of Interposer pro

Psssssssssttt... wanna hear a cool secret? Poser 4 propack works in 9.2 already. I tried it about two weeks ago. You have to change the apply method from multiply to normal, and "use poser UV's" in the surface editor, and hit F10. No dynamic hair or procedurals, but if you've got LW and a dust copy of propack in a drawer.... undust it.

Well, if it's expensive enough, it might shut up some of those 'other' apps users..;)
64 bits comes out to 8 bucks...I might be able to afford that..;)

Quote - How this is different from OBJ I'm not sure.

OBJ is just geometry.  When properly implemented, COLLADA can also include lighting, rigging, morphs, shaders, keyframes ....

I'd just like to see the price of "Poser Pro"

Quote - > Quote - How this is different from OBJ I'm not sure.

 

OBJ is just geometry.  When properly implemented, COLLADA can also include lighting, rigging, morphs, shaders, keyframes ....

That makes no sense from a business point of view. If I lock you into my file type than you cannot leave and you have to buy my product.

UM anyone downloaded the Collada Plugin?
I did, installed it, and now P7 doesnt run.?
Raj

Quote -  you actually  wont have "Full Integration" of Poser content in Lightwave
from the language it is clear that  this is the Old Propack4 "Hosting Plugs updated
Meaning you Do everything in poser and Host the scene in LW ,MAX ,C4D etc, to render only

Any changes required??
 you go back to poser and redo and 'rehost "or hit update button in "host" application.

Interaction with LW powerful cloth engine ?......NO

import of Poser Shaders..??..........  not mentioned  in the specs so Highly unlikely

Newtek releases a point upgrade( LW 9.7.9 or whatever) and your hosting plugin stops working
..........VERY Likely

But its bettter that nothing for you who dont have Cinema4D and the true COMPLETE solution of Interposer pro

tsk tsk tsk -- such pessimism on display.

As I've hinted once or twice already -- I won't make any final judgements until the package is actually out, and I've had the chance to try it.  Until then, I won't be making assumptions about all aspects of what it will and will not do.  I certainly won't be making those assumptions in a negative direction.

Who knows?  Perhaps there will be "full integration".  However you choose to define the term.  We'll wait and see.  Or at least I'll wait and see.

I've considered getting C4D + Bodypaint.  So I won't be slamming that app.  But LW is a great app, too.  And much better represented in certain aspects of the industry.

I've never quite grasped why things always have to be defined in terms of an either / or choice.  Like you can ONLY have C4D -- or you can ONLY have Lightwave.  I'm sure that C4D with Transposer is the hot setup.  So's Lightwave.

I choose to take the optimistic view of things: so this new edition of Poser will probably work well with both apps.

Quote - Psssssssssttt... wanna hear a cool secret? Poser 4 propack works in 9.2 already. I tried it about two weeks ago. You have to change the apply method from multiply to normal, and "use poser UV's" in the surface editor, and hit F10. No dynamic hair or procedurals, but if you've got LW and a dust copy of propack in a drawer.... undust it.

And with the new Poser Pro, you might have it all.  So perhaps P4P will go back to collecting dust.

I like the "render farm" ability...
but dang youuuu e frontier (shakes fist at them)... ive been saving to still update from 6...
I so was gonna buy 7 after seeing some of you have da bugs worked out... and I get this email....
now what'll i do???
(runs around in a circle while lying on the floor like curley)

Quote - I'm sure that C4D with Transposer is the hot setup.  So's Lightwave.

Excuse me......I meant to say Interposer.  I didn't mean to confuse C4D with Carrara.  I'd never dream of doing that.