Alright,I know on a bump white is up and black i down.Is it inverted in Vue and i am only now noticing? As you can see my red spots are innies,and there bump is white. I have done this ia hundred billion times at the the very least and have never noticed this before. Or is it just my eyes? (as usual)

My eyes see darker white in the center of the lighter white.  Then there's all that gray everywhere else.  So I say look again.

yup Vue has ALWAYS been inverted (bump greyscale) versus every other proggie, and same for transparencies...drives me nuts :p

Most of the problem is that Vue doesn't do normal maps which would be more detailed than simple bump maps.  Displacement might help here also.

No, bump shouldn't be inverted. Alpha channel is inverted alright; but also happens in other programs. I tried some round samples bump on a sphere, and the white round samples are protruding. I can see some grey inside the star shaped texture, which is why in the final texture, the red  shape is concave.

Yes,After closer inspection I noticed there is a slight gradient in the center.Which to me means Vue is bloody damn accurate as it is a very gradual one.So yeah,it was just my eyes again(; I had a fun time getting these red spotes to illuminate as well(; I had a epiphany this morning and have been in the function editor since this morning.I never used it outside of noises and such for clouds.I love this program:D

Damn, Bruno is right! Always thought Vue inverted the bump like it does the Alpha...sigh.

Pic is a PNG with alpha transparency, alpha plane on right, window arch cut by alpha.
Same image used to drive displacement on the cube (from bump),
hm so Vue's working alpha ok, without having to manually invert it.

slaps self with goofy hammer :p

Bruno is always right :P

That's what I like to hear!

any time my friend(;

Hey what programs use alpha the same way as Vue does? I have yet to see one myself.

I mean really. Common sense dictates black not there, white there. Just like light and such.

Why would e-on program Vue this way eenie-hoo.

In Cinema4D, you have different alpha options, you can use soft alphas to blur out edges, or not. And if you don't, you then need to invert the alpha, just as in Vue.

The problem with the 4-th channel is that some apps interpret it as OPACITY (so 0 transparent, 255 solid) while other think of it as TRASPARENCY (so 0 not trasparent so solid, 255 transparent).

There is not a unique sensible standard like for the colors (you would have to be completely nuts not to interpret them as 0 no emission / 255 full emission).

Bye!!!