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Subject: Vue 7 as Grayscale


Paula Sanders ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 10:38 AM · edited Sat, 16 November 2024 at 9:12 PM

Has anyone created an image in Vue that is grayscale? I have turned Vue images into grayscale ones in Photoshop, which is not a problem since colors can be manipulated by themselves. What I am wondering is has anyone converted colored materials into grayscale using the colored material as the base? I don't want to create grayscale materials by themselves. Is there anyway to do a convert to grayscale per material?


melikia ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 11:37 AM

yes, paula... am workin on screenshots for you right now =D

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Paula Sanders ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 11:45 AM

Thank you - can't wait to see them


melikia ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 11:52 AM

wont be long now =D  a series of 5 screenshots showing you exactly how, and 1 final rendered image (preview mode) to show you that it is, indeed, grayscaled now. =D

now to get them so they'll show up on here...

i'll get this all figured out here =D

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gillbrooks ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 11:55 AM

I saw a render int he gallery a few weeks ago that looked like a b/w sketch and the notes said 'all done in Vue'.  I think it made POD at e-on too but I can't remember who did it

Gill

       


melikia ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:00 PM

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Ok, Here goes...

1)  Collapse any truely identical materials ... saves headaches.  In this one, i collapsed parts of Daz's beanstalk, and worked only on the "stalk".  Open the material you wish to edit.

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melikia ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:01 PM · edited Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:01 PM

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2) click Edit Function - I chose an item with a texture map on purpose, because its more difficult (hah!) to strip color out of it ;) (woops, forgot to attach, here it is)

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melikia ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:02 PM

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3)  Here's where the magic happens....

you want a MATH NODE
CONVERSION
COLOR to BRIGHTNESS

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melikia ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:03 PM

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4) Make sure its connected!!!!

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melikia ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:04 PM · edited Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:04 PM

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5) Click ok and back out of the function editor and look at your material window.  It should resemble more what you want now.  You can always go back into the function editor and play with some more nodes to bring out the grayscale effect even more.

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melikia ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:04 PM

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Last image:

So you can see how it changed the stalk from the green - to gray!

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gillbrooks ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:06 PM

Attached Link: Forest Sketch

Found the pic I was thinking of

Gill

       


melikia ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:10 PM · edited Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:10 PM

Btw, that works great for individual items...

but what if you want the WHOLE image grayscale?

editting all those materials.... what a PITA???!!

there is actually a preset atmosphere in Vue that uses post render options to change your image to a Black & White (i.e., grayscale) image  You can find it under "effects - others"

you can always start with that, too, and play around and see exactly what they did... oh i see... post processing, color correction, and saturation is set to (minus) -100%

(thanks, gill!!!   i was curious which one you were talkin about... wanted to see it!)

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gillbrooks ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:16 PM

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Here's a quick b/w render I tested - will post a pic showing how in next reply....

Gill

       


gillbrooks ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:17 PM

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See settings on Post Processing options

Gill

       


melikia ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:20 PM

yepyep, those would be the very ones!!!

nice "quicky" b&w, Gill - but then, your work is always fabulous =D

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gillbrooks ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:22 PM

I didn't know there was a preset atmo for that .... just found if after your post :lol:

And thank you :b_bashful:

Gill

       


Paula Sanders ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:29 PM

Thank you both soooooooooooo much. I had no idea there were that many ways. I never thought of the post production since I never use it.  I need to play with them all now and find a combination to use. The function editor, tho a pain, might be the way to go for controlling color and how the different colors relate to each other as grayscale. etc.


melikia ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 12:35 PM

yep, theres always more than one way to de-fur a feline ;)

or in this case... de-colorize an image LOL

and you are very welcome, Paula =D

if i want complete control over my materials and how they interact, i go to the function editor/material editor. 

i think a nice combination of the post-processing & material/function editor will do what you want very well indeed.  and i, too, tend to forget about those post-production options LOL.

*grins at Gill - you mean i actually knew something about Vue you didn't?   i am IN SHOCK lol.

j/k ;)  but it did put a big ol' grin on my face and reminded me - even gurus are still learning new things  =D

Rarer than a hairy egg and madder than a box of frogs....

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gillbrooks ( ) posted Sat, 03 January 2009 at 2:00 PM

Quote -

*grins at Gill - you mean i actually knew something about Vue you didn't?   i am IN SHOCK lol.

j/k ;)  but it did put a big ol' grin on my face and reminded me - even gurus are still learning new things  =D

Hah!  There's tons I don't know - I usually just wing it and see what happens
:b_tonguewink:

Gill

       


silverblade33 ( ) posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 4:06 PM · edited Sun, 04 January 2009 at 4:07 PM

Well I quite like cartoonizing renders in Paint Shop Pro or Photoshop ;)

This greysccale one, I'm blowed if I can recal the EXACT steps I took to get the effect, cause it turned out very nice, IMHO.

http://www.silverblades-suitcase.com/sj/deathspider/neogi_prowlers3_bnw1024.jpg

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melikia ( ) posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 4:15 PM

very very nice, Silver... looks like a well-done ink or pencil drawing...

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FrankT ( ) posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 4:17 PM

very nice.  I have to say I prefer to do the greyscale conversion in PS (only because that's how I'm used to doing it with photos :biggrin: ) but some useful tips there

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silverblade33 ( ) posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 4:54 PM

Melikia,
Ta! :) eyeha it is really cool
wonder if I used actions in photoshop, or script sin PSP? will need ot try and check original file

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gillbrooks ( ) posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 5:19 PM

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Postworking is fun - it's something I looooooooove to do

Here's a quickie pencil/ink sketch of my last render using Painter

Gill

       


silverblade33 ( ) posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 8:27 PM

Ooooh! :)

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melikia ( ) posted Sun, 04 January 2009 at 10:29 PM

SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Paula Sanders ( ) posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 12:23 PM

Attached Link: http://www.perpetualvisions.com/art/peacefulvalley.htm

The conversions are really interesting. All are so different. IRhanks Gill for sharing the one you did in Painter. It has an oriental feel to it.  Here is one that I did a while back using Vue 6 I and converting it layer by layer in Photoshop since I used multipass rendering.


melikia ( ) posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 3:19 PM

BEAUTIFUL, Paula!  it sure does look like a B&W photo... that had a bit of work in the darkroom to prouce such excellent contrast =D

beautifully done!

Rarer than a hairy egg and madder than a box of frogs....

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Paula Sanders ( ) posted Mon, 05 January 2009 at 3:56 PM

Attached Link: http://www.perpetualvisions.com/new-articles/zone-system/zone-system.html

Thanks Melikia -

After doing it, I wrote a tutorial: http://www.perpetualvisions.com/new-articles/zone-system/zone-system.html. We had a wonderful 5 months long exhibit of a private collection of incredible Ansel Adams' work at the Gilcrease Museum. It was over 140 original prints produced by him. That's what inspired me and seeing it again before it closed is what got me back thinking Vue and black and white images. 


VIRAMIS ( ) posted Wed, 07 January 2009 at 2:33 AM

Hello

I have a small question, in the scene "Mustang" (the scene where there are all the planes in the sky with a Fw190 burning and smoking and a P-51 Mustang) available with Vue6, the render is in black and white how can i do to render it in color?


silverblade33 ( ) posted Wed, 07 January 2009 at 7:55 AM

change the camera settings, the Post Preocessing is set to have -100 Saturation, that removes ALL the colour form an image, same as with Photoshop
turn the saturation up to 0 or whatever you wish ;)

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VIRAMIS ( ) posted Wed, 07 January 2009 at 9:30 AM

hum Ok well done i find it !
Thank you very much! ; ) 
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