However interesting the convention was, it would be a shame to remain locked up at the convention without visiting what is probably the most important city of the 20th century. Some of most important turning points of history all took place right here : the rise and fall of the Third Reich, the beginning and the end of the cold war, ...

Where the western part redeveloped not unlike any other city in West-Germany after being bombed to rubble in WWII the eastern part developed in its own particular Moscow-inspired way and became the capital of a country that no longer exists, East-Germany.

And that is what interested me most, to search and find whatever remains of that former country. And after 42 years the before mentioned television tower is probably still the most important achievement of a true democratic state of peasants and workers.

And what does it have to do with poser...???

But what does any of it have to do with poser??

Nice shot of the fountain could do with out the soulless ideallogic propaganda

Exactly, it's just a thinly disguised political rant that the mods should remove pretty soon I would think..

Fixer? you back on staff?

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And what does it have to do with poser...???

If you would ever have visited my freebie thread you would know.

Let's continue ...

This visit was also mentioned to collect inspiration and information for a new batch of freebies with the DDR (German Democratic Republic) as theme. Including the already often mentioned television tower (of which teasers appeared in my freebie thread), Checkpoint Charlie, the Wall, Palast der Republik, etc ... Some of those freebies may require a second visit to Berlin (same time next year) but others are already in the works.

And since nobody ever consults my freebie thread -  as proven by the impatient Volksgenosse above - I thought it wise to mention it here before and guide you to that thread :

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2817948&page=4

A WBS70/5 is almost finished. You figure it out what that is ...

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And what does it have to do with poser...???

Actually it was a question, maybe you should learn the distinction between the two.

While you're at it, take a look at the forum rules about posting political crap in the forums..

Someone actually thinks East Germany was a "true democratic state of peasants and workers?"

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could do with out the soulless ideallogic propaganda

Allow me some irony : 26 years ago as a soldier I was based in Western Germany, standing guard against the "communist threat". As part of the Western Defence System I wasn't even allowed to visit East-Berlin or any other place on the other side of the Iron Curtain. And now I just walk around there like any other tourist and try to consider the situation from the "enemy's" point of view.

Please keep this thread friendly. Thanks :)

So that's what's under construction.  Is the reflection from the sphere working?

thats no tower.. it's a death ray!

Reflection : If you mean my model : no. It is already complicated enough to get the sphere WITH INTERIOR (panorama and restaurant floors) right.

But first I have to finish the WBS70/5.

For those who know the place : the "death ray" picture was taken from Warschauer Strasse near the S-Bahn station.

I wonder if it could be done withan anisotropic node like BB did with his nylon tights shader...

One associates socialist architecture with either impossibly heavy neoclassic buildings like the proposed Palace of Soviets of Moscow or drab parallelepipeds but it was not always that way: e.g. see the Tbilisi Roads Ministry Building or the Friendship Sanitorium in Yalta. The shape of the second building is so strange that CIA (having only access to satellite photos) kept considering it some kind of secret military installation.

I'm glad that this thread was unlocked.  All I saw was someone who went to Germany on vacation and brought back pictures and posted them.  I saw no "politics" or other "propaganda".

Yes, what happened in history is a bad thing, but we all need to leave it in the past where it belongs and the only thing we need to carry forward is what we can learn from it so that it never happens again.  All of this hositility whenever a picture is posted is just sad :(

Thank you, Darthj.  While i have no love for the so-called DDR, I can appreciate your posts.  Not everyone here demands a rigid conformity, and some of us are willing to bear with a poster and see what they have to say, whether it's 100%  poser related or not.

Cheers.

Quote - I'm glad that this thread was unlocked.  All I saw was someone who went to Germany on vacation and brought back pictures and posted them.  I saw no "politics" or other "propaganda".

Yes, what happened in history is a bad thing, but we all need to leave it in the past where it belongs and the only thing we need to carry forward is what we can learn from it so that it never happens again.  All of this hositility whenever a picture is posted is just sad :(

 

There were political rants included, they were removed by a mod, I have the proof in my inbox if you would like to see it..

Quote - > Quote - I'm glad that this thread was unlocked.  All I saw was someone who went to Germany on vacation and brought back pictures and posted them.  I saw no "politics" or other "propaganda".

Yes, what happened in history is a bad thing, but we all need to leave it in the past where it belongs and the only thing we need to carry forward is what we can learn from it so that it never happens again.  All of this hositility whenever a picture is posted is just sad :(

 

There were political rants included, they were removed by a mod, I have the proof in my inbox if you would like to see it..

Really a bad disease, helping others. I too suffer from this nasty problem. You offer stuff/help/information, your are punished for it, wow to never again waste your time with those filthy critters known as human beings and then, after a while, you fall again into this trap. Helping others is like alcoholism: you are never really free of it; it is a life time struggle. I really envy sociopaths: they lack empathy and therefore are immune to this disease.

Quote - And what does it have to do with poser...???

What does half of the threads in this forum have to do with Poser anyway? Don't see anyone complain about those. I clearly see what this has to do with Poser..... after all the people in the first photograph are POSING for the photo :-)

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2817948&page=4

Alexcoppo, the opening post was an image and arant about the Nazi's..ergo a political rant, some of which has been removed by a mod.

I asked a really easy question to which no reply came, just another political rant..

If the OP had answered the question initially all the problems would not have arisen..

You'll also note I'm not the only one making a comment about the political dogma being posted..

I wonder if it could be done withan anisotropic node like BB did with his nylon tights shader...

One problem you will face is that the "cross" effect is actually caused by the particular shape of the metal sheets with elevated triangles which cover the sphere.  A feature I will not be able to reproduce.

BTW those sheets were made in WEST-Germany, the elevators are Swedish and the glass is Belgian. All specialised items that couldn't be made in the DDR. And had to be paid in "hard" western cash, which contributed to the construction budget going way overboard.

The 2 "rings" below the sphere are escape platforms.

If a post has been removed, bringing it up over and over will not fare much better.

Can we please go back to the post at hand?  We welcome off topic posting within reason, and I can't see a member of the community posting about his or her vacation to be a bad thing.  If you do not like a thread, you do not have to read/comment on it.

If the OP had answered the question initially all the problems would not have arisen..

From the blunt, rude nature of your question it was obvious that you were not looking for a positive contribution to this thread and apparently you still aren't.

If you don't like this thread just leave.

It was a question, nothing more, if you'd answered it and clarified why you were posting about the nazis and communists, the whole thing would have ended there, but you chose not to..

That is your failing, not mine..

Quote -  If you do not like a thread, you do not have to read/comment on it.

^^^^^

This.

That's quite enough. Like Jen said thefixer if you don't like the thread you don't have to read.

@JenX, the OP just made a direct comment to me, I have every right to respond..

See above kimberleyC.

A direct post was made to me, I have every right to respond to that post, which I have..

Gwynn, you've been told by two of us to drop it.  If you'd like to take it to sitemail, you are free to do so.

@JenX, I was called blunt and rude for qasking a question, according to your own rules that is a personal attack yet you prefer to go after me for asking the original question..

I have not attacked anyone, I just asked a question..

I guess some people are more equal than others here..

Gwynn, if you would please send screenshots to either of us, we'll take care of it.  All I've seen is that DarthJ called you "unfriendly", but that's about it.  If that's your attack complaint, we'll take it under advisement and discuss it.

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From the blunt, rude nature of your question

And please don't address me by my name in the forums, my name is for use by people that know me or are my friends, you don't come into either category..

1. You're grasping at straws. Calling your statement blunt or rude is not, in fact, calling you rude.  

1. Fine. I will do my best to address you by your screenname from here on in.  

1. Again, if you would like to address this with Darth J, please do so via sitemail.

for the love of gawd fixer, would you PLEASE let it GO?!! All you're doing is derailing the thread while others are trying to participate. All your fucking ranting isn't going to change anything nor help matters. Stop, please. I can barely keep up with the rest of the thread.

Laurie

Quote - Not all Russian architecture is crap and I don't mean modern (shudder..) When I was in China I saw some unbelievable beautiful streets in Shanghai that was reconstructed 19th century architecture. I think they have done something similar in Moscow too. I am always on the lookout for buildings that can act as inspiration for fantasy/game environment, must look outside the box.

Nice model. I like :).

Laurie

Even I have some bookshelves made in the DDR. The country was always in need of "hard" foreign currency, hence they exported much of their production, at the same time depriving their own population from those products.

Now before anyone asks what this has to do with Poser :

• a typical Plattenbau interior is also in the works. Consider it more educational than a Poser toy.

With this interior I could include the whole modular range of Carat furniture parts since I have a document with all the necessary measurements.

Then you would have some puzzling time trying to fit in the furniture into the cramped rooms. Many East-Germans played this "game" for real.

Check my freebie thread to find out which ideas are being realised.

Love the pictures Darth.  I couldn't function in that kitchen though! Way too little, hehe  But it does look homey.

My camper has a bigger kitchen than that!! Is that a pass through to the dining room I am seeing behing the counter? I would hate to see what the rest of the apratment looks like! Great pictures DarthJ I have done a lot of traveling but most of it has been to Japan, the middle east and England. I haven't seen to much of Eurpoe so I do appreicte you showing some of the architechture from the former DDR. Looking forward to seeing more pictures from your trip.

 Is that a pass through to the dining room I am seeing behind the counter?

Yes, with some creative refurbishing the building became more spacious.

A typical apartment was (and is) 6m wide by 12 m deep. There are houses with* rooms* larger than that.

On the positive side the rent including services was incredibly low.

 I would hate to see what the rest of the apartment looks like!

Eh, don't look at the picture above then. Note that this is only a recreation in a museum but the size of the room is about right ! There is a real apartment in the suburb of Hellersdorf that has been refurbished as in the 70s but I didn't get that far.

edit : here is a link to the DDR museum in Berlin (in English) :

http://www.ddr-museum.de/en/

LOL That isn't much bigger than a class A motor home! Is the shower hidden behind the wall or is what you see what you get for the bathroom? At least it wouldn't take much time or effort to keep it clean! LMAO! Again thanks for sharing.

Cool thanks for the floor plan. So the tub/shower would be behind the wall. Talk about a minimalist appartment! I guess when the government furnishes everything there is no room for extras. Thanks for the history lesson and a look at a part of history I never would have otherwise been able to see.

If you think that the DDR apartment is small, please check the japanese capsule hotels (currently, due to recession, they are also used as "normal" houses). Good training for the wooden version we will be in someday.

Bye...

I guess when the government furnishes everything there is no room for extras

Not at all, as already written these apartments offered a lot of luxuries unheard of before : central heating, bathroom, indoor toilet, etc. There were always long waiting lists of people wanting to rent one of these apartments

And above is a 1970s edition of the Wohnraum Fibel, for many years standard reading about interior decoration in the DDR. Not different from any western book of that period, not considering the mandatory snear at western decadence.

I prefer this original documentation while it's "down to facts and figures", modern books about East-German subjects dwell too often into (n)ostalgia. Besides the book there are a few pages with cut-out models and drawing paper to start planning before dragging around real furniture. With all the measurements you need.

And as a bonus I even got the original bill (Rechnung) from 1977.