DAZ Studio 4 PRO

Bryce 7 PRO

Hexagon 2!

FREE!*

You know the place.

(What an excellent counter move marketing wise!)

*I'll hazard a guess for a limited time!

I'm so delighted to have spent $200 plus for a program without a user's manual that would be given away for free a few months later.

As a person who paid for Bryce and paid again for the upgrade, and still don't have a manual, my feelings on this are decidedly mixed.

Kind of like having thrown $200+ at Hexagon for version 1 and upgrading to 1.2 and then paying even more later for the Hexagon 2 downgrade, and then DAZ starts selling Hexagon 2 for $1.99 to everybody.

Happened to me with Poser Pro 2012... Intro price was good... then like 69 bucks 2 weeks later.

Content Creator as Well.

https://www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/-/content-creator-toolkit?item=13178

Goes to show you I"m glad I had requested my money back shortly after purchase.  Betcha they have had nothing but complaints....Guess Daz5 is on the way..

Wow - now if only the competitors would do the same

No one else competes with DAZ though, as far as content providers go.  Maybe Renderosity does.  But they don't create their own 3D apps for selling.

Well, giving away their stuff worked for Netscape, Truespace and MachStudio...oh...wait...

Maybe they'll make it up on volume...

This is not something you do if things are going well.

Actually, it is just a return to their original model of giving the software away to encourage model and clothing sales. Perhaps it will help them in the long run.

(I still haven't downloaded any of the stuff. Probably won't.)

DS4 is to camera, as content is to film.

DS4 is to razor, as content is to blades.

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.  Teach a man to fish, and you'll never see him on weekends again.

Quote - Happened to me with Poser Pro 2012... Intro price was good... then like 69 bucks 2 weeks later.

I am still looking for the $69 poser pro?

Joey

I think that reference was about PoserPro, not PP2012.

Quote - DAZ Studio 4 PRO

Bryce 7 PRO

Hexagon 2!

FREE!*

 

You know the place.

(What an excellent counter move marketing wise!)

 

*I'll hazard a guess for a limited time!

 

 

 

[high squeaky dog voice]I know! I know! [/high squeaky dog voice] 

Quote - I think that reference was about PoserPro, not PP2012.

No... it was PP 2012. Lasted about 1 and a half hours. Then sold out.

Quote -  

I am still looking for the $69 poser pro?

PP 2010 is 95 cents more at Amazon. No weight mapping, tho'...

http://www.amazon.com/Smith-Micro-Software-Inc-PSRPRO2010HBX2/dp/B003DAJSAM

Besides there being no documentation, Hex and Bryce are back in limbo.  DAZ announced last month they were suspending further updates and work on documentation. 

So now DAZ will have forums crawling with new users flaying around trying to figure out how to use tools they have no understanding of and no documentation they can refer to.  The sdk still isn't locked down either. 

This is just another example of why you should wait.  Sooner or later (of late it's more sooner than later) you can get nearly everything DAZ owns cheap or free. 

I have been enjoying Daz Studio 4 Advanced and am looking forward to getting the upgrade.  Does anyone know if Studio Pro comes with the entire dynamic cloth plug-in, instead of the one with limited funcitonality?  I've been waiting for the download frenzy to subside before I snag my copy.

It is true that the documentation is lacking, but have people behooved themselves of the online training at YouTube for free.  I've learned a lot of stuff from the video tutorials and actually I learn more from them than poking around in manuals.  There is also a 3rd party Daz  Studio 4 book being written--so that will help I'm sure.

I won't be downloading Bryce again--I cpould never figure out how the hell to use it, it's so full of obscure dialogues and nested controls within controls.  But it is rather nice for people who want to do 3D landscaping and can't afford Vue.

It would be nice if those who had purchased these programs at full price could be offerened vouchers for some free content at least.  Unfortunately none of us are safe from having paid top dollar for something and then to see it offered free or for a mere fraction of what one paid.

I have no use for YouTube and more than I have for Facebook.  Most video tutorials lack one important thing: closed captioning. 

If the DS4 book is anything like the last DS book it won't be of much use either.  That book was out of date by the time it went on sale.  If you check the book disk, it has DS2 on it.  DS3 had been out for some time.

Let's don't turn this into another Daz bashing session folks.

Thanks.

Interesting $929 worth of software ( notional) free for every one.
quite an aggressive  promotion from Them.

Their Servers are being brutalized right now though ..Long page load time in the store!! but i got  every thing parked in my account page  who knows i may get bored one day and decide to tinker

Cheers

Quote - Interesting $929 worth of software ( notional) free for every one.
quite an aggressive  promotion from Them.

Their Servers are being brutalized right now though ..Long page load time in the store!! but i got  every thing parked in my account page  who knows i may get bored one day and decide to tinker

Cheers

My attitude, precisely.

I cannot access my purchase page. Get error page not found. Took forever to even sign in...  Something wrong big time..

Quote - I cannot access my purchase page. Get error page not found. Took forever to even sign in...  Something wrong big time..

Too many people trying at one time. I made a point of downloading mine the early morning hours. One of the advantages of being a night worker, I'm awake at strange hours.

Relax ..FREE until 2-29-2012 orso .. so many day to get it

Now if only Sith Micro make Ppro 2012 free too  

Quote - Relax ..FREE until 2-29-2012 orso .. so many day to get it

 

Now if only Sith Micro make Ppro 2012 free too  

That would be great if they would do that. I don't care that I paid for PP2012, it's the best version ever imho but at the time the only way I could afford it was the P8 upgrade to pp2012 but I don't like having my P8 serial number tied to my PP2012 install. I'd like a full stand alone serial for PP2012 so I can disgard P8 entirely.

i payed for p4 p5 p6 p7 p8 ppro p2010 ...

getting one for free might be a cool thing

"Sith Micro?"  Come over to the Dark Side with Poser. Muahahahaha!  Or something.

 Anyhow, I downloaded the DAZ freebies at 4am UK time this morning, no problems at all.  :)

Not yet installed or tested but I already know D|S won't run on either of my rigs.  May give Hex a whirl though.  See if I can get anything from that. 

Should you decide to avail yourself of the "madness", grab the plugins as well, so you can get the serial numbers for them.

...Also some of the plugins have Studio 3 versions included...

Heh... they free too?

I'll use my Daz Studio 4 Advanced until the congestion dies down, I can't wait to try the Pro version though.

"I already know D|S won't run on either of my rigs.  May give Hex a whirl though.  See if I can get anything from that. "

Same here Sam, DS4 is a non starter on my Aging Macbook

But I launched Hexagon
, recoiled in horror and closed it immediately.

(spoiled by Modo)

But hey its time to get serious about raising the $$ for a new machine..after I finish my Sci-fi E-book reading Sabbatical for 2012.

Cheers

it must be a total bummer for some, in case anybody paid $$$ for DS4P.  I would freak out if SM decided to give poser away - saints be praised they ain't :lol:

Btw They gave me a  FREE copy of the FBX exporter that  actually works with my OLD copy of Daz studio 2.3 !!!
Another nice option to get rigged poser  figures into C4D or lightwave if needed.

Overall a nice promotional gesture but hardly the "industry shaking"  game changing" Event  that was Hyped last week.

Cheers

If a server is over-loaded, can a game change occur?

Quote - Btw They gave me a  FREE copy of the FBX exporter that  actually works with my OLD copy of Daz studio 2.3 !!!

I liked Studio 2.3.  I have a copy installed on a VM on this box somewhere...

Will most of the poser installed content work with DAZ Studio?

Most Poser content will work with Daz Studio, some texture maps may have to be tweaked a bit.  There is currently an issue with older content and geometry switching, as in the case of Michael 2--morphs also won't work.  Daz is aware of this, however, and I assume that it will be fixed in a future patch.  It seems like every recent Daz Studio release has this issue initially and they fixed it in the past.

It's pretty straightforward to add Poser runtimes to Studio.  Most everything except for Poser 8 and 9 only products and dynamic cloth and hair will work, but they might need work with the textures, as Tom noted.  It used to need a free plugin to read Poser binary PMD morphs, but I don't know if that is still the case...

Does anyone know what Darkside Style is and which program it's for? It showed up in my downloads but I don't know anything about it.

Quote - Does anyone know what Darkside Style is and which program it's for? It showed up in my downloads but I don't know anything about it.

It's a gui for DAZ Studio 4 that more closely resembles the gui of DAZ Studio 3.

Coldrake

ok thanks

No Manual?

My last update was Bryce 4- LONG before it became a daz product. I'm pretty sure there WAS a manual. I also have a huge book called "Real World Bryce 4" that is extremely detailed. I downloaded B7- I'll see how similar the two are

Quote - As a person who paid for Bryce and paid again for the upgrade, and still don't have a manual, my feelings on this are decidedly mixed.

Has anyone noticed that the Daz forum thread populated by early adpoters is now over 23 pages long?

Dang! I've had to go back to the grocery twice for marshmallows and to the hardware store once for a new roasting fork!

Lots of entertainment value there.

"Has anyone noticed that the Daz forum thread populated by early adpoters is now over 23 pages long?Dang!"

Interesting the psychology of some humans.

They only perceive something as having
$$Value$$ as long as they see that others are paying a similar arbitrary price as themselves.

One week ago DS4 pro ( a platforn for the almighty "genesis") was worth every bit of $400+USD to some buyers who joked that they will have to "live off Ramen noodles for the next month" for the joy of being amongst the first to post  renders from the newest version of some "3D" program.

Some of those very same buyers are now demanding to be "Financially compensated."

Not because their software does not function as advertised.

But because of some perceived harm to them caused by others being able to temporarily get the same software for Zero Dollars.

Cheers

I don't know about everyone else, but there have been lots of things I paid top dollar for that was later offered at a sizeable discount or free.  It happens.  I paid top dollar for Apollo and add ons for him only to have the creator give an improved version of him for free as well as all the clothes.  I missed out on the best price for the new version of Vue by being a day late.  Purchased M4 and his morphs only to find them free later, also versions of Poser. Some timesof you ask nicely the vendor will give you a voucher or something.  If I paid top price for this software I'd probably want something back too, but no ones going to get anthing if they are nasty.

" If I paid top price for this software I'd probably want something back too,"

Why??

You presumably would have made an adult consumer decision  that said software was being offered at a price you considered worth it for whatever perceived value it offered you.

Why does the fact that someone else gets the software at Zero cost entitle you to some
"money back"
The value of the software was never intrinsic
in the way Barrels of Crude oil or iron ore has intrinsic value.

3D software does not produce anything that could be deem essential to ones life ,it is all just about  some fleeting visual entertainment.

Its value was subjective and based on your personal opinion and you choses to purchase it at the advertised price.

Now Daz is willing to forego its Fiat retail costs  temporarily in a near desperate attempt(IMHO) at further market penetration.
 and you seem to think this somehow entitles have some of your retail cost refunded??

I am not trying to attack you personally here just seeking an explanation of the Psychology  of such line of thought.

cheers

I said "probably"--but in reality I don't think I'd have the nerve to.  What I'm saying I emphasize with people who feel they missed out--I guess it would also depend on when the software was purchased.  There are retailers out there that if they put something on sale the week after you bought it will give you a discount since you'd just gotten it--it does happen.  I purchased a monitor at CompUSA and less than 2 weeks later it was reduced by $25, so I asked if I were entitled to some money back and they gave me the difference. They guaranteed that if their stuff was reduced within a certain time period of buying it they would compesate the buyer with proof of purchase.   I suppose it's how you look at things.  Had I bought Daz Studio Pro 4 when it came out, I wouldn't personally ask for some sort of compensation--after all I used the program for months.  I can see both sides of the issue--the business is under no obligations--but they might just want to give a person in that situation something to keep their business.  Daz does give free stuff away all the time, I'm sure over the years I've receieved hundreds of dollars in free models from them.  Do I feel they owe me anything?  Not at all.  I didn't spend $450 for DS4 Pro.  The backlash from this is that when version 5 comes out people may be a little gun shy at spending money on an upgrade for fear that they will be able to get it for nothing down the road.  However, there are those people out there who want all the new features and advancements, and so may not mind paying a premium for those features because they want the latest and greatest and don't mind paying for it.

3D software does not produce anything that could be deem essential to ones life ,it is all just about some fleeting visual entertainment.

For me yes, it's a hobby, but if I were a graphics professional tools like Daz Studio or Photoshop would be essential for ones job.  Daz has many endorsements from professional who use their software in their jobs.

Quote - Interesting the psychology of some humans.

They only perceive something as having
$$Value$$ as long as they see that others are paying a similar arbitrary price as themselves.

Indeed, I agree. It's strange.

People who have been using the software for five months feel entitled to a refund, as though using and enjoying the software for five months has had absolutely zero value for them.

It's almost as though people are valuing the actual ownership of the software over their use of that software.

I wonder how many of them have produced substantial number of renders, and how many are simply 3d software and content "collectors"...