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Subject: Shader node for Plaster

ToxicWolf opened this issue on Feb 25, 2012 · 38 posts
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ToxicWolf ( ) posted Sat, 25 February 2012 at 2:58 PM · edited Fri, 24 January 2025 at 1:08 PM

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This is a picture of what I am trying to make: a wall hanging that looks like it is made of plaster. I have made the figure for PP2012 but I just can not get the shader nodes to come out right. I am sure BB has already posed this but I can not find it.

This should be flat with little or no reflection and the marblel and granet does not come out right. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Paul Francis ( ) posted Sat, 25 February 2012 at 3:28 PM

I can't help with the the shader nodes, but, well, WOW!  That figure/pose/hair are just amazing. Can't wait to see what you come up with!

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richardson ( ) posted Sat, 25 February 2012 at 5:38 PM

Why not picture frame it where the frame and the background are plaster as well? it'a a real world solution Ive seen.. The bg could have a displaced texture..  btw, plaster is very matte but some seal it to keep it clean and looks slightly shiney and similar to this.

ToxicWolf ( ) posted Sat, 25 February 2012 at 6:09 PM

I like the idea of the background being plaster. I will give that a try.

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Latexluv ( ) posted Sat, 25 February 2012 at 6:38 PM
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I'd certainly be interested in a BB wall plaster shader! I've needed one for a while for interiors.

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SamTherapy ( ) posted Sat, 25 February 2012 at 6:55 PM

The image you posted looks great in its own right, plaster or not.  In fact, it looks more 3D than many Poser images.

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bagginsbill ( ) posted Sat, 25 February 2012 at 6:56 PM

Use the Clay node, instead of Diffuse, with high roughness or whatever it's called on the clay node. No specular at all. Need some roughness to the surface - you'll want some bump. Not sure which kind of plaster this is. Molded? Need bubbles in it?

I am sort of busy otherwise I'd help more.

 

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ToxicWolf ( ) posted Sat, 25 February 2012 at 7:13 PM

Thanks BB ... I will start there.  If you get some more time someday and want to put up some detail, we will all be watching for it.

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ToxicWolf ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 1:42 AM

BB. The ones I have seen in art galleries are highly detailed and flawless. There are no bubbles in them. I am sure they are poured in a mold and my guess is that they are some kind of resin. But the best way for me to describe the appearance is that they are the color and look of plaster. When you run your hand over it, it is smooth but it has a matt finish and they are very heavy.

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SteveJax ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 2:23 AM

Plaster comes in all sorts of colors and finishes from dull mattes to shiney finishes.

bagginsbill ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 7:26 AM

Oooohh - Steve - you just time-sucked me!!! I love looking at color charts and reading the names. I don't know why. It's like a fetish, but not sexual - just fascinated with color.

 

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Paul Francis ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 8:03 AM

Quote - Oooohh - Steve - you just time-sucked me!!! I love looking at color charts and reading the names. I don't know why. It's like a fetish, but not sexual - just fascinated with color.

 

Someone once gave me a Pantone sample block - thousands of colours, and even more thousands of hours just looking at the pretty colours.....!  I know what you mean, BB.

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GeneralNutt ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 8:41 AM

Quote - > Quote - Oooohh - Steve - you just time-sucked me!!! I love looking at color charts and reading the names. I don't know why. It's like a fetish, but not sexual - just fascinated with color.

 

Someone once gave me a Pantone sample block - thousands of colours, and even more thousands of hours just looking at the pretty colours.....!  I know what you mean, BB.

Only slightly on topic but Pantone Books are not a colour guide but a forumaltion guide, a common misconception.

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Winterclaw ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 9:36 AM

Prussian blue looks really grey.  I can't tell if there's any blue in it or not.

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ToxicWolf ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 10:24 AM

Wow ... this could get really interesting. The options are unlimited. I would love to use some different plasters for walls.

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SteveJax ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 4:40 PM

Quote - Oooohh - Steve - you just time-sucked me!!! I love looking at color charts and reading the names. I don't know why. It's like a fetish, but not sexual - just fascinated with color.

Wow! I never expected to get that reaction! Those are what came up in a google search on "plaster colors".

bagginsbill ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 5:15 PM

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So for a very basic idea of plaster, to me, is relatively smooth white matte, with just a touch of fine bump.

Reminder - my display units are inches and this means my bump is .02 inches. Your bump will be different if you're not set for PDU = inch.

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bagginsbill ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 5:15 PM

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Looks like this.

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bagginsbill ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 5:16 PM

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Close up.

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bagginsbill ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 5:21 PM

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For a painted plaster:

  • Reduce the octaves in the bump - less sharp edges on those tiny bumps - the paint smooths them a bit.

  • Reduce the depth of the bump - here is it .01 inch.

  • Put color in the Clay node.

  • Add a Blinn. The Blinn will determine the shininess of the paint. This is a sort of satin finish. For eggshell, do not add the Blinn.

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bagginsbill ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 5:21 PM

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The painted result.

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bagginsbill ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 5:21 PM · edited Sun, 26 February 2012 at 5:22 PM

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Painted close up.

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bagginsbill ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 5:23 PM

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Without the Blinn, this is eggshell (matte) painted plaster close up.

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ToxicWolf ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 5:36 PM

Perfect!   Thank you BB.

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bagginsbill ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 5:41 PM

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So that was the free. Here is something I started work on four years ago - planning to sell architectural shaders. It's a rough plaster, painted. I have many variations on this. Hundreds actually.

Did anybody notice I'm listed as a vendor here, now? Getting closer!!! Nothing in the store yet, but things are in progress. If only I could put aside my pesky day job...

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bagginsbill ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 5:49 PM

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Stucco - painted - peeling.

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richardson ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 6:14 PM

Bravo... that's pretty astonishing. I would have guessed Zbrush!

ToxicWolf ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 6:20 PM

You have a customer just waiting for it to start filling up.

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GeneralNutt ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 6:21 PM

Thanks for these and look forward to any materials you sell. Peeling paint would be a super handy, with a bit of grime added.

Too bad we can't add you to favourite vender yet, I'd hate to miss your products.


Latexluv ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 6:25 PM
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Oooh, I would love to have the one with the peeling paint! Great for post apocalyptic stuff! Great stuff BB!

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Zaarin ( ) posted Sun, 26 February 2012 at 6:53 PM

Quote - So that was the free. Here is something I started work on four years ago - planning to sell architectural shaders. It's a rough plaster, painted. I have many variations on this. Hundreds actually.

Did anybody notice I'm listed as a vendor here, now? Getting closer!!! Nothing in the store yet, but things are in progress. If only I could put aside my pesky day job...

That's great to hear! :D Though I confess I'm surprised to see you hear and not at RDNA. 

bagginsbill ( ) posted Mon, 27 February 2012 at 10:53 AM

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> Quote - Thanks for these and look forward to any materials you sell. Peeling paint would be a super handy, with a bit of grime added.

wish = command

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ToxicWolf ( ) posted Mon, 27 February 2012 at 4:35 PM

cool

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JAFO ( ) posted Mon, 27 February 2012 at 5:10 PM

i think BB's gota 1024bit brain, im still hoverin around in the 4-8bit region... dammnt

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Miss Nancy ( ) posted Mon, 27 February 2012 at 6:01 PM

p-node or edge-blend render of poser figure will yield image that can be used as displacement map to render a poser figure in bas-relief on a flat posersurface, e.g. as if on a coin, plaster cast or wall-carving.


GeneralNutt ( ) posted Mon, 27 February 2012 at 6:36 PM

Those are a work of beauty! The rust alone is so good, but add it to the deterioration of the paint, a work of art in it's own.

I once spent a couple days trying to make rust, and gave up, it always looked fake.


ToxicWolf ( ) posted Tue, 28 February 2012 at 12:34 AM

Thanks Miss Nancy, I will try that out.

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Miss Nancy ( ) posted Tue, 28 February 2012 at 12:49 AM

it may be necessary to add noise to a poser-generated displacement map to avoid banding.  I've tried 8-bit, 16-bit and 32-bit displacement maps generated by poser, and it's always necessary to add noise to diminish the banding or step-displacement AFAIK.


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