Quote - Yep, I know your not picking a fight, but it is an interesting thing to get people views.

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Quote - Now, here I go with a little assumption of my own.

Could it be that those that have a problem with younger users using poser and seeing a naked figure would have problems explaining about the consequences of seeing that naked body.

I have a Great niece that is just over 2 and when she is old enough to ask certain questions, she will be told in a way that she will understand about that question.. None of that, errrr come back in a few years type of thing.

So, perhaps it is down to the parents to talk to their children.

Possibly that, but also the legal ramifications of granting underage access to potentially anatomically correct dolls that can be made to do most anything with most anything, including beastiality if one uses the default animals.  I would think adults who could discuss nudity and such might still have a problem with the potential harm.  Creating a child-friendly runtime means deleting potentially "dangerous" stuff which, unless the parent keeps their stuff under password protection, could just as easily be restored to the youngster's library if so desired.

Quote - Plus we do know that when M4 or V4 loads up they are not naked at all, the have 2nd skin clothing on them. So, it would be easy to set up a runtime that only had specific items in it if parents had a problem with them.

More opinions sort and listend to with interest.

This I did not know, as I do not have those figures yet.  Since I am still learning the fundamentals of clothing, I tend to load Posette into the studio and body paint what I want her to "wear."  As such, I am frequently looking at her nekkid from many angles and (re)painting her wobbly bits, so I can see where someone might not want an underage person doing the same.

No probs, V4 loads up with her purple bikini and M4 with his black shorts. In fact, unless you have the ++Morphs for M4 you don't have a fully functioning M4 as the genitals only appear wit hteh ++Morphs pack.

Setting up a family friendly runtime should be no problem. Certain things would have to be deleted, but as long as they are fully deleted from that part of the computer then there should be no probs in making sure of not getting it back.

The main problem would be, where the person gets their freebies etc. and how to stop them installing their own items. Now I'm assuming (oh that word again! Lol) that ther must be software out there that won't allow content to be installed to certain parts of a persons computer. So perhaps that could be a starting point.

Now, an interesting thing. Would there actually be a market for more family friendly runtime content? If so, perhaps it is up to users to mention they would like more family friendly stuff instead of certain stylings.

All comments listened to.

All the best.

LROG

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I don't mind what he does in his room after midnight, he's on "that" age, that's fine, but I have no intentions of buying him a collection of porn magazines or paying for adult sites subscription, and I certainly don't want Poser to become that box of porn magazines.

Am I overthinking this? am I disorting the whole thing? Opinions are most welcomed.

1. You're overthinking it. To a 15-year-old boy, anything involving a semi-nude female can be porn. Give him a pencil and paper and he could crank out porn with it if he wanted to.

2. if he can get online and figure out how to use a proxy (he likely can), he's already got more porn in his hard drive than had existed on the whole planet back when I was 15 years old. You just don't know about it yet.

3. given all of that, it's better to harness that energy into something creative and useful, and honestly, as long as you restrict the content to innocuous things, it'll likely drive him to learn how to model, make morphs, etc. if he does want to make Poser porn. At least he can pick up some useful skills along the way.

Just going by the few things I have seen here, at SM, and at DAZ for the Mil Kids, K4 (same thing?), and NearMe (excluding Cherry, since she has been modified), I would guess someone who wanted to play with the kid models would have a good start while learning Poser and then they would hit a marketing wall and would either need to (1) learn more about how to make their own props, clothing, and backgrounds, (2) move on / back to the adult models or animals, or (3) move on from Poser.

Assuming they asked for some more of the same, I would think someone would make and sell or give away such items.

Otherwise, there are quite a few non-slut clothing packs for various adult female models (I have not done a check for males) with many artists offering texture packs for those non-slut items in addition.  Not sure what else someone wanting more family-friendly would want (except for the males, which I did not check).

What content does Poser Debut come with?

Perhaps that would be a good starting point

All the best.

LROG

Now if gore isn't a problem, you could use:-

Lorenzo Lorez Link

I mention gore, due to zombie option with blood for clothes etc.

All the best.

LROG

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1. You're overthinking it. To a 15-year-old boy, anything involving a semi-nude female can be porn. Give him a pencil and paper and he could crank out porn with it if he wanted to.

2. if he can get online and figure out how to use a proxy (he likely can), he's already got more porn in his hard drive than had existed on the whole planet back when I was 15 years old. You just don't know about it yet.

3. given all of that, it's better to harness that energy into something creative and useful, and honestly, as long as you restrict the content to innocuous things, it'll likely drive him to learn how to model, make morphs, etc. if he does want to make Poser porn. At least he can pick up some useful skills along the way.

#3 is a great advice!

To a 15-year-old boy, anything involving a semi-nude female can be porn.

Oh well do I remember a picture in some almanac-like book of Nineteen Umpty Umph, showing a figure skater and she wasn't semi-nude either. Back then, a glimpse of panty was enough and we liked it!

The fact we're even having the discussion shows what magical power we attribute to this stuff, as if somehow, seeing naked human beings engaged in what pretty much every human being and macroscopic member of the animal kingdom  has done - is going to permanently blast, twist and distort the mind of the viewer. I'm not dissing people's concerns, I'd think twice as well. It's just that we really are funny monkeys, very funny indeed. It would have been a lot better if we had inherited more from the bonobo side of the family.

Well, to me it's not about nudity, I have no problem with nudity, nor does my brother, but Poser is not just the application, it comes with a comunity behind it. Renderosity is a very safe age friendly comunity, but the other "Rendersomething" site, is not, and like that site, there are many others offering all kind of mature content readily available.

Quote - Acadia: How safe is a paintbrush for a younger audience?

 

It's all good fun until someone snorts paint thinner and loses an eye...  or spray paints orange strips on a black cat because he wanted a little tiger.  Kitty doesn't like being spray painted and bam, other eye gone.

"Renderosity is a very safe age friendly comunity, but the other "Rendersomething" site, is not, and like that site, there are many others offering all kind of mature content readily available."

I'm not sure I understand. Renderotica is an adult site. He can lie and join just like any of the thousands of free adult sites, many of them don't even require registration. If you think that using Poser will lead him to adult Poser sites, I hate to tell you what coming home from Sunday school and googling 'crucifixion' will turn up. If anything, the folks at 'Rotica would be probably more diligent about sussing out any signs he might give that he's a minor and booting him. It's been quite a while since I've been there but they certainly have used to have guidelines banning the more extreme stuff, that again, can be readily found elsewhere. At any rate, unless he's never heard the word Poser or 3D art and thinks your work was produced by magic, he could easily have already found Poser erotica online.

I agree that the nature of Poser is different from drawing, just as playing a video game is different from reading or watching a film and AFAIK, there's still no proof that games are producing a slew of new axe murderers. I think you're overestimating the power of Poser or a website to somehow corrupt an otherwise normal young man. I understand your concern but all you can do is watch and mentor him. Unless he has no unmonitored internet access at home or elsewhere, there's no way to keep him from seeing stuff that you might feel uncomfortable with. Perhaps instead of just talking with your parents, all of you need to sit down and discuss it with him - assuming they give their OK. They can set whatever rules they feel are appropriate. You can't protect him from porn. You can only talk with him about the difference between fantasy and reality, respecting women etc. and hope it takes. Frankly, these days, 15 is rather late to be having that discussion.

I see that we can be neewbie in material room, render setting etc. but here we are experts ;)

Same question, other subject.

Is a gun dangerous? Do you give a gun to a 15 year old?
Is a knife dangerous? Do you give a knife to a 15 year old?

Poser, a gun, a knife, all are tools in one hand, but can be dangerous in another hand.
"Dangerous" is open for discussion here.

So? Where is the line?
Parents?
Education?
Maturity?

Family?
School?

Every individual (male or female) is different, but at that age, I would absolutely talk to the parents.

Poser/DS are tools in this digital revolution.

In my humble mind, Poser is safer then free and uncontrolled access to the Internet.

Parents, school, and individual maturity and education.

And yes, a clear and open mind.

Quote - I see that we can be neewbie in material room, render setting etc. but here we are experts ;)

  I certainly don't claim to be an expert, although I did get kicked out of Sunday School aged 7, for drawing a bottom. ( Yes honestly... but I think they overreacted a bit , it wasn't even a good drawing. ). Drawing that bottom didn't lead to a life of sordid porn, but doing it in Sunday school might have consigned me to en eternity in the fires of hell I suppose. I guess I will find out one day.

 "Is a knife dangerous? Do you give a knife to a 15 year old?"

I had a very sharp knife at 15, as sharp as a scalpel. I used it for model making. So far as I know I never took it outside the house, I had no reason to do so. I never thought of it as a weapon.

@IanPorter

THAT is exactly whaty I meant.

Safe -  danger , is in our head.

I was in the Military, Guns and knifes all around.  Smart and stupid people also...
Lucky for us, more smart individuals then the few stupid , but they exist.

All are tools, it is up to the individual how he/she sees and uses the tools at hand.

Under age => Under supervision.

The whole question seems odd to me.  We're talking about a 15 year old who likely has seen more porn already than many of us even know exists -- unless of course he lives in a very strict household.

If, on the other hand, the OP is really just concerned that her brother might make some nudie pictures which the parents may find and get upset about, the only issue is whether or not her brother has his own machine and whether or not the folks snoop on it.  If they do, and they are the sort who would have seizures at the thought of a 15 year old thinking about porn, then I'd steer him toward Daz Studio.  I find it hard to imagine any normal 15 year old (girl or boy) not being curious about the erotic potential of a 3d rendering program.  But maybe kids today are just way more uptight than I think.

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In my humble mind, Poser is safer then free and uncontrolled access to the Internet.

^ This I completely agree with.

Quote - I was in the Military, Guns and knifes all around.  Smart and stupid people also...
Lucky for us, more smart individuals then the few stupid , but they exist.

My father had guns the whole time I was growing up and I was taught about them at a very young age....even showed how to load and use them. Unlike most kids though I had enough sense not to play with them. I wouldn't trust my own kids with them though. Far too curious and immature. Like most things, it depends on the child.

Quote - The whole question seems odd to me.  We're talking about a 15 year old who likely has seen more porn already than many of us even know exists ...

Yeah, a 15 years old likely has, but do I want to encourage it? no. Would poser encourage that? Personally I don't think so, but I have different views on nudity than most of the people close to me so I wanted to hear different opinions.

Of course, we pretty much think alike around here, it's like asking about nudity in an art class hehe.

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Of course, we pretty much think alike around here, it's like asking about nudity in an art class hehe.

I have to admit... this was the first thought that popped into my head the day you asked the question! 

I know this has been said many times, but first make sure your parents/his guardian is okay with it.

If he's a mature 15-year-old truly interested in art and the human form, he might actually get irritated if you coddle him with just rendering the cutsie stuff, and turn him right off of Poser and digital art.

Maybe steer him towards using M4 and encourage superhero renders or brooding anti-hero renders instead?

I'm sorry. Poser is totally unsuitable for anyone younger. look at the warnings on the box!

May contain Nuts

Small Parts may cause choking hazard

Danger : Nuclear Radation Source

Microwave Hazard

Slippery When Wet

Objects in the Mirror Maybe Closer than they Appear

Khai...

Leave it to you to put a keen edge on things!

However, I think you are referring to the forums here rather than the program itself!

Or even..

"Do Not Attempt To Stop Chain With Hands Or Genitals"

Quote - Of course, we pretty much think alike around here, it's like asking about nudity in an art class hehe.

Agree..  lol

Khai - :lol:

Honestly this thread will never come to an agreement because everyone has their own view.

Personally, I think Poser is like any "art" form. My husband showed me a comic he did in middle/high school and it was bad. :blushing: So to me it really doesn't matter what material younger people use, atleast they are doing something creative instead of something much worst like violence etc.

Well, judging by things I've heard/been told/read/seen for myself and discussed with others here and over your side of the water, I would say here we are a little more relaxed about nudity and partial nudity than seems to be the case in your neck of the woods.

We have daily papers - available for anyone to buy, with no age restriction - which feature topless females on a daily basis.  Almost everyone takes their holiday/vacation in places where nude or topless beaches are the normal state of play.  Imagine, loads of boobies everywhere and nobody gives a damn.  Oddly enough, though, we have only a handful of topless or nude beaches here.

@ Kimberly - that's a good way to look on it and there should be more people thinking that way, rather than looking for evidence of corrupting our youth.  I am not referring to any posters in this thread, btw; that was a general statement. 

After a huge stink about men not wearing shirts in the summer here; a legal battle gave women the right to wander around topless if they so wished. For the first week the front page of the newspaper showed women around the city going topless. Sold a lot of papers. After that first week the novelty wore off and I haven't seen a single topless woman since. That was a good ten years or so ago.

I suspect the same thing will happen with a young fellow using Poser. The novelty of bare breasts wears off quickly. The ability to render them the size of the models head only holds so much interest.

pdg

Oh, I dunno.  There's always Poser physics, soft body dynamics, the cloth room and if all else fails, Victoria can be her own helium blimp.  :)  Or somebody else's, for that matter.

All you'd need is the wicker basket tied to her ankles, some fevered dialing of the boobie morphs and you're good to go.  And, if you get bored watching the world go by, you can always look up and admire the view.  Or something.

Quote -  Almost everyone takes their holiday/vacation in places where nude or topless beaches are the normal state of play.  Imagine, loads of boobies everywhere and nobody gives a damn.  Oddly enough, though, we have only a handful of topless or nude beaches here.

You know? When I was a kid, I'd heard about these places, and was dying to go to one.

Then as an adult, I happened to be able to go to one. Five minutes later, I'd seen enough sag, wrinkles, and pot-bellies to out-do anything National Geographic could ever hope to compete with.

Totally wasn't worth it.

Depends where and when, old mate.  :)  But yeah, all shapes and sizes.

I'll add to this; my kids have seen me using Poser since 2000 so that's 12 years and they are only 25, 23 & 19.  The youngest was using it at 7yrs old, the boys messed with it on & off (my oldest is getting his degree in gaming design & modelling, he honestly has no use for Poser though).

The youngest was the one that was most interested. I didn't see it as any different than her playing with Barbie.  She loved Koshini back then.  By 14 she was creating products & at 16 had her own storefronts & began modelling, got bored of it & is now thinking of going back to it.

I agree though that it's up to your parents.  However, Poser no more encourages Porn than playing with Barbie & GI Joe do (& yes I know what kids do with them together LOL).  I disagree that it encourages Porn or corrupts the mind anymore than nude paintings in a museum.  It's how it is presented and what it's intention is for the end user.

Most likely he has seen you use it already, if you aren't creating porn it's unlikely he will be. ;-) That said I used to do alot of pin-up work but it didn't encourage my kids to do that, just the opposite. They were so sick of it they did other types of images.

Those who gravitate towards porn work with Poser were most likely already inclined to do so in the first place.  If it's a huge worry don't let him have the male genitals LMAO. (after all a woman's genitalia is technically inside)

Quote - Oddly enough, though, we have only a handful of topless or nude beaches here.

I'm pretty sure that's due to the typical summer weather.

We have nude beaches here too. I went to one in FL once. I promise there was absolutely nothing even remotely worth looking at. If anything, looking away would spare your lunch. A hundred yards of heavily abused leather is more attractive. But the ability to be "free" was nice. Feels great in the water. 

~Shane