I haven't done it in C8, but in 5, 6, and 7 there was no issues with saving. I did a few makehuman figures just to practice boneing/rigging. 

Quote - I haven't done it in C8, but in 5, 6, and 7 there was no issues with saving. I did a few makehuman figures just to practice boneing/rigging. 

So, it's just basically create rigging, attach skeleton and I'm good to go, right?

select joint type and set constraints. But yup, that is it.

Quote - select joint type and set constraints. But yup, that is it.

Thanks. Forgot about joint type and constraints.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/33558/

Oh I and a few others have plenty to say about how genesis and G2 in C8.5. Too bad you will never see any of it on the DAZ forum, because you know what happens to those posts.

Dartanbeck could you please drop it down a notch? "I haven’t had a lot of experience with the latest Genesis. But the time that I did spend with it has completely blown me away - being the absolute most amazing human model I’ve ever rendered". That is just fanatically over the top. I mean a couple of big steps up from fanboy.

"I’ll be adding more to this very soon. At least the ball is rolling, and I want you to feel free to report, ask, whatever Genesis in Carrara related".

OK, when is DAZ going to fix all the out standing, unaddressed bugs in genesis? You know the ones it was released with and in over 2 years DAZ has done nothing about?

Of coasre G2F works better then genesis, G2F isn't by DAZ. G2F addresses most of the issues with genesis, that DAZ should have fixed with in a month of releasing genesis.

Whoa! I couldn't finish reading Dart's post/cheerleading. Where did all that pent up Genesis love come from? It was actually a bit creepy to read. Was Dart hired as a public relations god by DAZ when we weren't looking?

Well, a bit over the top, that was. (But that's the beauty of him, isn't it?)

Quote - Whoa! I couldn't finish reading Dart's post/cheerleading. Where did all that pent up Genesis love come from? It was actually a bit creepy to read. Was Dart hired as a public relations god by DAZ when we weren't looking?

Well, a bit over the top, that was. (But that's the beauty of him, isn't it?)

This guy is the worst thing that ever happened to Carrara. He only scares away customers.

I think I will switch to Cinema 4D. The full-blown version will cost me $3,700.-, but at this price I will get to talk to some of the world's most prominent artists, not to some noob who fell-back on Carrara because he couldn't figure-out 3DS Max or Maya.

Quote - This guy is the worst thing that ever happened to Carrara. He only scares away customers. I think I will switch to Cinema 4D. The full-blown version will cost me $3,700.-, but at this price I will get to talk to some of the world's most prominent artists, not to some noob who fell-back on Carrara because he couldn't figure-out 3DS Max or Maya.

Woa, uncalled for. He can be a bit over the top, head in the clouds, optimistic. But he is no more over the top most of the time then I am under it ;) I beleive in balance, ying and yang, good and evil, life is the constent stresses between the two.

The only real problem is there is no one to balance him out on the DAZ forum. Kites fly best with the right amount of drag ;)

Quote - > Quote - Whoa! I couldn't finish reading Dart's post/cheerleading. Where did all that pent up Genesis love come from? It was actually a bit creepy to read. Was Dart hired as a public relations god by DAZ when we weren't looking?

Well, a bit over the top, that was. (But that's the beauty of him, isn't it?)

This guy is the worst thing that ever happened to Carrara. He only scares away customers.

I think I will switch to Cinema 4D. The full-blown version will cost me $3,700.-, but at this price I will get to talk to some of the world's most prominent artists, not to some noob who fell-back on Carrara because he couldn't figure-out 3DS Max or Maya.

 

Very uncalled for. Really, will this person affect your day??

You don't like the software and some do, let it go. You don't like the guy, let it go.

Each person have there own mentality and you always have some that you will butt head with, but there is a limit.

Just ignore and continue with your stuff.

I think I may have been misunderstood. My post was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek. Apparently, it didn't come across that way. Dart's a great guy, but he is a bit over the top sometimes and his train of thought does tend to jump from place to place at times. Just attempting a bit of humor. Guess next time I'll just chuckle to myself and let it go at that.

Also, I've never bashed Carrara. I love the software and use it all the time. I'd hate to think that anything I've said makes you think I don't like the software. I wouldn't be here if i didn't care.

I guess I'll have to censor myself a bit more from now on. Sorry, guys.

Quote - Very uncalled for. Really, will this person affect your day??

You don't like the software and some do, let it go. You don't like the guy, let it go.

Each person have there own mentality and you always have some that you will butt head with, but there is a limit.

Just ignore and continue with your stuff.

I didn't say I don't like Carrara, In fact I like Carrara a lot. I think Eovia did a brilliant job at designing RDS/Carrara.

What I don't like, and I have repeated it many times elsewhere, is that Daz3D acquired Carrara about 6 years ago and since then it has not been able to add any significant value to it.

Carrara is a lot bigger than Daz can handle. Daz3D is obviously a joke for a software company. They have way overestimated their abilities by taking on a moderately complex 3D app like Carrara.

When that inept software company hires as its mouthpiece an inexperienced noob who gets blown-away by just about anything he sees, then I have serious regrets about the time I spent learning Carrara.

What's wrong with calling him an inexperienced noob anyway? You want me to call him a second Leonardo? Or a second Toulouse Lautrec? He IS a noob and everything he says or does smells immaturity. With him as cheerleader, Carrara loses the little credibility or respectability it used to have.

Quote - I didn't say I don't like Carrara, In fact I like Carrara a lot. I think Eovia did a brilliant job at designing RDS/Carrara.

Agree.

Quote - What I don't like, and I have repeated it many times elsewhere, is that Daz3D acquired Carrara about 6 years ago and since then it has not been able to add any significant value to it.

Disaree. They may not have added any big new features; that aren't content related. But over the years DAZ has done some good things with carrara; not all of which is nagated by bad things. As in for every light icon tweak we get a moved to a less convenient spot feature control.

Look at it this way, if DAZ hadden't bought it it would have been another lost to the anilas of time app.

Quote - Carrara is a lot bigger than Daz can handle. Daz3D is obviously a joke for a software company. They have way overestimated their abilities by taking on a moderately complex 3D app like Carrara.

But DAZ didn't used to be, Poser may have set the standard but DAZ took it and ran with it. Then DAZ got bought out and has went down hill fast since.

Quote - When that inept software company hires as its mouthpiece an inexperienced noob who gets blown-away by just about anything he sees, then I have serious regrets about the time I spent learning Carrara.

He's nether a noob or been hired by DAZ; other then being a carrara PA. And you have contributed what to the carrara communiyt?

Quote - What's wrong with calling him an inexperienced noob anyway? You want me to call him a second Leonardo? Or a second Toulouse Lautrec? He IS a noob and everything he says or does smells immaturity. With him as cheerleader, Carrara loses the little credibility or respectability it used to have.

No he is just another; although possably a bit more ambitious and excited, carrara user.

So this "noob" creates carrara content, and with your vast experiance you have done what? I'll agree he gets a bit over the top sometimes, but there is no reason to run him down for that.

I have been at this a long time; 16+ years. I can do every thing from make HRDIs to full blown Howiesc sceens. But I have no confedence in my work. He is making carrara content, and even though it's nothing I would buy; I can do the same things, at least he has enough confidence in his work to put it out there. Also remember he was a cheerleader from the get go, long before he became a DAZ PA. 

You know dr_bernie,

I agree to what ManleyStanley just said in the post above.

Let it go, the guy not a noob but to be honest, show me a location i can see your job you done with CArrara?

I don't always agree with Daz decision or update they do on Carrara, hell i don't even agree with the latest update of Cinema 4D, i own the Prime version and they decided that embree has started with the Broadcast version, for me just to get that option, i need to update my version, cost $795.

Call him just another person using a software, at the moment each time he makes a post your gears grinds. You know if i become a Maxon PA for Cinema 4D, are you going to do the same?

In the end, from my point of view, the only thing i can say, IGNORE him.

That guy seem to get your blood boild of something, for what? being a PA for Carrara, because he love the software so much, you don't.

And you won't like me then, because when i read your post compare to his post about Carrara, you are more the one that would shy peoples away from the software, You loved the software when it was in others hands, not in Daz hand.

Quote - > Quote - Whoa! I couldn't finish reading Dart's post/cheerleading. Where did all that pent up Genesis love come from? It was actually a bit creepy to read. Was Dart hired as a public relations god by DAZ when we weren't looking?

Well, a bit over the top, that was. (But that's the beauty of him, isn't it?)

This guy is the worst thing that ever happened to Carrara. He only scares away customers.

I think I will switch to Cinema 4D. The full-blown version will cost me $3,700.-, but at this price I will get to talk to some of the world's most prominent artists, not to some noob who fell-back on Carrara because he couldn't figure-out 3DS Max or Maya.

Doc

While Dart is a bit over the top, he DOES really care about the software and the community. He's just a little more enthusiastic than most.

He's no noob. He has done some pretty nice sets as a PA. I own his Starry Sky and plan on buying his two animation sets.

He's also one of the only PAs who include NLAs in their animation sets.

I'm not going to question your contribution to the community, because many of us contribute in different ways. Some in products, some in information and training, etc.

Let's just keep the conversation classy. We enjoy pretty good freedom over here. Half the threads we have here would have been closed down at the Daz site as soon as they opened.

Dart is one of our own, and so are YOU.

Back to this same thread http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/33558/

One person had the never to point out 1 issue with genesis and autofit in C8.5. One person pointing out an issue that effects everyone. And after that long cheerleading speal about how well G2F works in carrara only one person was brave enough to say other wise. That is just pathetic.

This leads me to suspect a few things, ether people that bought C8.5 have given up complaining about how badly genesis, G2F, and autofit work in it. Or DAZ mods are just deleting any and all complaints. Or C8.5 didn't sell anywhere nearly as well as DAZ claims. Or all of the above. I'm going for all of the above.

I persoanlly am sick of reading the one sided propaganda in the DAZ carrara forum. Now wonder so many people have abandoned it. There were more posts made about the C8.5 beta in a week then have been started about C8.5 since release.

If carrara dies it's because DAZ killed it. Not because of complaints, not because of lack of suport by the community, but because DAZ wanted it dead. Makes for a nice little tax write off for the people running DAZ now.

Not sure which is worse, the forum mods pulling posts or DAZ completely ignoring the issues with C8.5.

The thread you mentioned was started on 12-05-2013, and after 8 days has only 3 responses, not counting the OP's posts.

This only shows the utterly low level of interest Carrara users have for Genesis.

When you want to design a successful 3D app, you hire some real pros to use it and you base your developments on their advices.

Putting in charge an inexperienced noob who only scares away customers isn't the right way to promote a 3D app.

But then again what do I care? I am already the proud owner of C4D Broadcast edition. It is Embree enabled, it is used by some of the most proeminent production studios in the world, it has Poser content support through Poser Fusion and Interposer Pro, and its superb user interface is a dream to worlk with.

I would have put-up with Carrara's slow rate of development, but putting-up with a noob who thinks he's interesting? No thanks, just not my cup of tea.

BTW if C4D is above your spending limits, you should very very seriously consider Shade in its 3 versions (Basic, Standard and Pro). Its UI isn't all that bad, it has Poser content support through Poser Fusion and its superb path tracer is well worth the price of the entire package.

Well then I guess you don't need to worry about carrara, carrara supporters, or carrara cheerleaders.

When I had the chance to get a full line CG app it came down to Carrara and C4D. I went for carrara because it had a terrain and a plant generater and I was working with Terragen at the time.

But regardless of what DAZ does with carrara I simply can not afford to replace it and doubt I will find anything that actually can; for less then $1K.

Seriously how much did you spend on all that dr bernie?

None the less genesis is the next generation of figures. And it was about time, people have been using weightmapped figures in CG aps for quite a few years before DAZ released their premade one. And I know I sound like a broken record but till some one gets up and fixes it, that record is going to skip.

Where DAZ screwed up was releasing genesis/autofit too soon in order to get it out there before some contest, then never did another thing with ether. Over 2 years and genesis has never had an update to fix the issues and nether has autofit. At this point I have no belief DAZ is capable of fixing anything. They release it and we are stuck with some buggy piece of schlock DAZ wants to over charge us for. Then try to get cheerleaders to convince us it the best thing since sliced bread. And just to be sure they have the forum mods pull every post that says other wise in order to fool people in to buying in to the schlock. 

Yes, I want to pay $550 for a CG app just to find out the "free content" that comes with it, doesn't work well enough in it to use in it. And to top that off I am overly encouraged to use buggy software to download/install it. And install some DRM to actual use it; the "free content".

Still after all this time what is the number one most often reported issue? "I can't find my content". Which is actually ludicress considering all the far more importent issues with C8.5 then some buggy download/install app that inevatably installs content to the wrong place. Of coarse it is hard to see your content doesn't work as advertised when you can't find it.

The Prime version of C4D at $995.- should be within the reach for most of us.

The C4D Studio version at $3,695 is quite expensive. But if you look at the demo reels on youtube, you will see that Carrara can't even do 1/100 of what C4D can.

Besides, wouldn't you rather spend $995 to $3,695 for C4D and have numerous professional opportunities open-up before you, or spend $549.- for a Carrara that nobody knows about?

Do this experiment: Go to some CG site and start talking about Carrara. Either they don't know what Carrara is, or they know and they will laugh at you as if you were some schmuck wasting their time.

I have already done this experiment and I am talking from experience.

Regarding the cheerleaderism, when the cheerleader is a failed art student who couldn't get past Maya 101, and now is showing his ineptitude by getting blown-away by everything that Daz cooks, then I say to myself that this situation is ridiculous and unbearable. So it's time to trash Carrara.

There are many alternatives to Carrara, besides C4D.

First there is Shade, which has support for Poser contents, modeling tools far more advaced than Carrara, and a superb renderer that very closely rivals VRay.

Then There is Lightwave which currently runs for $995.- and has support for Poser contents through Poser Fusion.

And of course there is Modo which is rapidly becoming the 'Reference 3D App', the one 3D app against which everything else is being measured.

If you need landscape modeling, there is Vue. Its Frontier version has direct support for Daz/Poser contents and can render hyper-realistic atmospheres a lot faster than Carrara can.

With such superb, and quite affordable, alternatives who needs Carrara anyway? Let the cheerleader-fanboy-failed-art-student be its only customer, for all I care.

We have vastly different opinions on what is affordable. My jeep needs $400 worth of work done to it, my jeep is far more importent than anything on this comp, I can't afford to have it fixed.

And I really don't consider bringing in a static model I can't actually work with in the app as "compatable". If that were the case all apps are poser compatable, just save out as a .obj. 

Please by all means drop carrara and move on.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/34135/

Because you are opening the .obj not importing it to the scene.

That thread has been up for hours and no one has told him the simple solution. Is there anyone left on the DAZ carrara forum that isn't a cheerleader or a newbie?

Quote - And I really don't consider bringing in a static model I can't actually work with in the app as "compatable". If that were the case all apps are poser compatable, just save out as a .obj.

PoserFusion plugin for Shade, 3dsMax, Maya, Lightwave, or Cinema4d works to import more than just a static figure or prop.

Quote: "Integrate either static or animated Poser figures with Vertex Weight Map rigging and dynamics that are fully textured and posable, with full morph targets for facial expression and body sculpting morphs."

Won't work with Genesis as far as I know, since the Genesis integration to Poser is a hack in itself, but for native Poser figures or props, including Daz products up to generation 4, it works very well.  It translates dynamic cloth and hair from Poser too.  I used it in 3dsmax for years, back when it was known as BodyStudio.  You have to do all the animating and posing in Poser first though, then PoserFusion works as a bridge to translate the animation to any of those platforms.

I think there's another plugin for Cinema4D that works even better.  Kuroyumes' InterPoser, which will import and host your entire Poser library system inside the C4D architecture, just as it is in Poser, allowing you a workflow that is very much like the Daz Studio integration in Carrara was supposed to be.

But you are still talking 6X the cost of Carrara to replace it.

Here's a problem I hadn't heard of associated with Carrara 8.5.

I couldn't get the link to work at 3d dojo so here's the post by user WX_IVAN:

"When I set up all the figures I plan to use in Carrara, I was exporting them out of Daz 3 as a collada file, then import them into Carrara and do what i have to do to get them working right there. I found out later in an article that Carrara 8.5 will acdept Daz 4's .duf files without having to export them and import them into Carrara. Well, as I rendered a few scenes, I had a mixture of collada imported and .duf figures in my scene. Mimic worked just fine with the collada imported figure, but not with the .duf figure. I thought at first that maybe it was because I didin't configure the figure from D4 correctly, so I changed the config to genesis. It still didin't work. I stopped using all of the .duf figures and switched to the imports with no further trouble."

Just thought I'd share.

dr_bernie wrote: "But then again what do I care? I am already the proud owner of C4D Broadcast edition. It is Embree enabled, it is used by some of the most proeminent production studios in the world, it has Poser content support through Poser Fusion and Interposer Pro, and its superb user interface is a dream to worlk with."

Congratulations! I'm sure you will enjoy it a great deal. I have an old version of C4D XL (Studio now), I really like the modeler, it has some very useful tools. BodyPaint is very impressive as well. When I changed jobs and no longer had a use for C4D that I got paid for, I just couldn't justify the upgrade cost for a hobby.

Looking forward to seeing some jaw dropping, Class A renders in your gallery!

Thanks DustRider.

Putting C4D's apparatus in motion is somewhat challenging, but well worth the effort considering that it opens doors for you that Carrara never will.

With the current cheerleaderism by a failed art student who couldn't get past Maya 101, Carrara has become more of a joke than a respectable 3D app. Daz will have to do a lot of damage control to convince potential buyers that Carrara is worth the $250.- they are charging for it.

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Dude you really need to quit with this BS, you have succeded in losing any respect for you I had. Please take your act to the C4D forum.

Quote - With the current cheerleaderism by a failed art student who couldn't get past Maya 101, Carrara has become more of a joke than a respectable 3D app. Daz will have to do a lot of damage control to convince potential buyers that Carrara is worth the $250.- they are charging for it. 

That part is purely pathetic...

manleystanley wrote: "Seriously how much did you spend on all that dr bernie?"

The Broadcast version is $1695 ($1595 for a qualitying side grade). The upgrades for the Broadcast version are pretty pricey as well, $595 for a single version upgrade (or you can save some $$ by purchasing an annual sevice agreement for $400 per year and get the upgrades for "free"). The upgrades for C4D Pime are less, $395 for the version upgrade (more $$ if you miss a version upgrade or two), or you can get the service agreement for $250 per year.

Unfortunately, C4D Prime is missing many af the features that are available in Carrara, as are some of the more expensive versions. If your interested, you can see the feature camparison between the various versions here: http://www.maxon.net/en/products/general-information/general-information/product-comparison.html

If you want/need caustics, and subpoly displacement, you will need C4D Vizualize ($2,295)

If you want/need any of the following features, you'll need the full C4D Studio ($3,695): sculpting, dynamics/physics animation (other than basic particles), and hair simulation and rendering.

You definitely get a full featured (depending on version), very worakble, stable, and professional product with C4D. But it also carries a true pro price tag. If you need it for professional work, then it is definitely worth every penny. But, for me, and probably for most hobby/3D enthusiasts, it's just a bit too costly to justify.

I own the Prime version of C4D and yes, i like Carrara for some options that i don't have with my C4D version, like you mention, Caustic is one of them.

The primary things I look for when evaluating a software application like Carrara to the likes of something like the C4D Prime, or maybe Lightwave, isn't just the main 1 to 1 features that make the bullet lists of every sales page, but sometimes the value can be determined in the level of control and depth of the minor features the package offers.  Hypothetically speaking, in my case, I pay a great deal of attention to the modelling features of a software, and does it have a complete and time-saving workflow in that regard.  For instance, does it offer things like a knife tool, rapid edge loop creation, edge constraints, comprehensive tools for beveling, or retopology.  Will it save me time doing the common things I do every day in 3D, or will I sacrifice that level of control for something like a bullet point feature that is put in there to appeal to a mass audience?  Can the navigation controls be assigned to hotkeys for more fluid scene viewing?  Is anything at all assignable to hotkeys for faster workflow?  Or am I giving up that level of efficiency for something like strand-based hair, which I'll probably only use now and then, but looks really great in the ads?

I'm not saying that's the difference here, but sometimes those are the things people forget to consider when they buy into an application.  Is the application going to improve your workflow for the common things, or will you sacrifice speed and efficiency for a better looking Vicky render?

I fell in love with carrara practically the minute I opened it. I've always struggled a bit with the UI of apps but with carrara is seemed to be teaching me to use it just using it.

I tried C4D and knew the UI was going to be a bit of a struggle. Maya, well I opened the demo, looked at the UI, closed it and uninstalled it. Same with houdini, and you know my stories about Blender. Lightwave wasn't bad, but the demo kept glitching on me so I steered clear.

Thing is, and as has been said, this is a hobby for me. Sure if I had the tallent an ambition to go pro I would probably step up to C4D. But would there be a need to step up if everything in carrara worked as it should?

I mean carrara has a lot of prolike features, it's just they ether don't work as well as we'd like or don't do what we expect. Carrara could go a long way just with some intence bug hunting, and updating/tweaking of the existing features.

Quote - I mean carrara has a lot of prolike features, it's just they ether don't work as well as we'd like or don't do what we expect. Carrara could go a long way just with some intence bug hunting, and updating/tweaking of the existing features.

I could agree with this.  The time I spent in the application wasn't all bad, and I saw a great deal of potential with it, but that potential seemed wasted on big, sweeping, glamorous features, rather than attention to detail.

The way I see it, as is the case with most lowcost to mid-level 3D applicaitons, the parent companies have little experience dealing with professional users, and tend to stretch too wide, and not dig deep enough, in the development of tools.  Most pro-level applications are run by companies that have many years of experience catering to advanced users and the software is developed with a lot of attention to workflow detail, and customization of tools.  Everything from navigation, to scene measurement and snapping tools, are thought out with high level of control in mind, and provide a depth most mid-range applications lack.  While Carrara may allow beginners and intermediate users the power to create things quickly, advanced users and experienced power users could quickly become frustrated with the lack of refinement, and fine control.  I think this is where the investment in a more expensive package is worth it, if you can afford it.

That's the thing though. After doing the beta for so long I really expected much, much more from C8.5. I just find it imposable to believe the crew that worked on C8.5 is the same one that gave us a 64bit carrara. In 2 years the only thing that changed in the beta was the light icons and DUF compatibility. After all that time the release version of C8.5 didn't work as well as the last beta release, that was released what, 8 months before the final release. In 8 months time all they accomplished was making DAZ's DR.. I mean CMS mandatory?

To me a .5 release is to finish unfinished or flawed features. Tweaks and polish to existing features, possibly the intro of new yet still in beta features. C8.5 did have some of that but it seems most of that 2 years was spent shoehorning a buggy autofit in to carrara to work with a buggy figure; genesis. Which I have said has added no value to carrara. Maybe if autofit and genesis worked as well as advertised or as well as the cheerleaders say it does, my opinion might be different.

Carrara should be the stepping stone app between entry level apps like Studio and Poser, and advanced apps like C4D and 3DS. But right now it feels like a weak, wobbly step that could collapse at any time.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/34423/

Then save out as a DUF to finish staging in carrara. The biggest pluss in C8.5. Too bad DAZ screwed dynaimc clothing in Studio4.5. And, as usually for DAZ, is too stupid to actually fix it.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/34423/

Same one. convert the animation to studio key frames, run the sim, then freeze the animation.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/34470/

Actually this is an old issue we have had with carrara for quite a while, the second characters clothes will "fit to" the first version of the character in the scene on opening/import. You will have to unfit then refit the clothes in carrara.

I haven't worked with the release version of C8.5; not going to as long as I need DAZ DRM to use it, but you only have oone advantage to staging your figure in Studio to transfer to Carrara, autofit works slightly; and I mean slightly, better in studio. Other wise you are making a lot of unnessary steps and wasting time.

Another example of DAZ not even being able to fix simple issues, we have had this same issue since C6.

Here's another question for you Stan.

I used Ivy Generator (the stand alone program, not Fenric's plugin-never have been able to get that to work for me). I used the Ivy Generator to generate some ivy growth on a model I was working on in Silo. I imported the ivy into Silo and then exported the entire model out in obj format. I opened the model in Carrara for texturing. All the material zones I assigned in Silo show up in Carrara as they should, but I can't for the life of me get the leaves of the ivy to render. I even imported an ivy on its own with nothing else in the scene and still no leaves at render time.

I can assign a solid color or just about any other shader to the leaves and they show up, but if I assign the standard ivy texure from ivy generator nothing renders. I've even tried using other leaf textures and still nothing. The ivy vines render just fine with its default texture or any other texture or shader, but not the leaves.

I know there must be a simple solution, but it's escaping me at the moment.

Help!

Been a while since I used the ivy generator. I'll check to see if there is a new build because this is an old one, but I'm not sure if the png for the leaves is bad; or carrara just can't read them, or if it's because the leaves are not UVmapped. Ether way I can't get a texture map or an alpha map to work.

I'll do some more checking/testing but I know this used to work quite well.

Well this is going to take someone britter then me. I can't open a .cpp to do anything with it, like fix the UVs. And the way it looks to fix it you will have to reUVmap every individual leaf.

Could have sworn this used to work great, but this hasn't had an update in 6 years so the issue may be W8.

It did used to work. I don't have Win8, so for the life of me, I can't figure out what's going wrong. I'll keep trying. If I stumble across anything, I'll post it here.

I know when I first got ivy generator I made severl sets of leaves for it and used it in quite a few scenes, but I beleve that was on windows XP. I can't recall if I used in on W7, but it is apparent it doesn't work on W8. Could be that sence it uses C++ something about C++ has changed. It hasn't actually had an update in 7 years.

I can open the cpp file with note pad, kind of looks like a .x file. But for some reason windows 8 can't read it right. But there is hope, or should I say Fenric?

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I'll do some surfing to see if I might find an updated version someplace.

If this is the Ivy Generator by Thomas Luft, then the output of the alpha maps for the leaves is in PNG?  Is Carrara handling the alpha on PNG maps correctly?  Indeed it could be screwed up UV coordinates, but the leaves are just mapped with a simple planar UV map.  There were cases of other packages not handling the PNG alpha channels for the leaves correctly, and users had to create their own alpha maps in another format for the leaves to show up in renders.  Keep in mind, the leaves this generator creates are simply single-sided planes.  So a double-sided material is best, if Carrara supports that, so they render on both sides.  Try creating your own alpha map based on the ones generated by the generator, and save them as a different file format, like just bmp or jpg even.  Doesn't matter if there's transparency information contained in the file, a simple black and white map of any kind can be used as opacity map in most standard 3d applications.

Ok here is a bit of a solution; if you have Hex, open the .obj in Hex, cut the leaves out and delete them by the shader domain. Then use the surface replicator to put new leaves on the vines.

I found a suposed 2012 version, but it works no better.

It's not the png textures I replaced them and found the leaves aren't actually UVmapped, or mapped in a way carrara can read it.

Yes, Bryce had some trouble with Ivy Generator's leaves. I remember that.

Stan, the leaves not being UVmapped in a way Carrara can understand makes sense. I tried to load different leaf textures to replace the originals and still got nothing. If I'm going to use ivy generator, I guess I'll have to replace the leaves.

I tried Fenrics ivy generator plugin again, but I'm still having issues. I have to add the textures manually (not a huge problem) but for some reason, no matter how much light I shine on the ivy it will not render as anything more than a dully lit object. Confusing.

Anyway...Thanks, guys.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/32811/

Oh for the love of Mike stop with the drag and dropping. It might be the best way to get props in to a scene but not dress a character. DragNdrop and double clicking do not load clothes the same way. You actaully end up with more poke through dargNdroping then you do selecting the figure and double clicking the clothes, as well as saving you self a few extra steps.

Note: If the DAZ mods weren't such zealots this info would be on the DAZ carrara forum not deleted every timeit is posted. the over moderation of the DAZ forum is why no one actually knows about well known issues; well know as in actually reading carrara forums not affiliated with DAZ.

Sorry Stan, but I'm not seeing that in 8.5.  Left figure had the clothing dragged into the scene and fitted to the first Genesis character, the Right figure I double clicked to load the clothing as you suggested.

As far as I can see, the poke through is identical.

ncamp

In the beta there was a big diference. None the less drag and drop adds steps. 

Doesn't matter to me because I am done with this. Tired of trying to make carrara work because DAZ doesn't care to produce a quality product or abide by it's promeses.

Basically I love carrara, but am sick of DAZ.

question for manstan et al

how do I make a smart prop in carrara ,?

that is one that loads onto a figure's hand in the directory and also has its hot point xyz on said figures hand's hotpoint?

tanks in advance

Quote - question for manstan et al

 

how do I make a smart prop in carrara ,?

that is one that loads onto a figure's hand in the directory and also has its hot point xyz on said figures hand's hotpoint?

 

tanks in advance

 

 

Interested in this as well.

I saw something about doing in poser and then editing the cr2 (??) file, but that would be cheating cause it's not carrara :)