I went to Ali's (Mankahoo) website and saw that he has a new Poser figure out named Bella 1.1 that looks very well-done and what could be a serious competitor to the current female Poser figures such as Dawn, Pauline, PE, even La Femme herself, if there were to be add-ons made for her. I'm wondering if anyone here has bought her, and if so, what are your thoughts? Any renders to share of her? She and everything else in Ali's store is on sale for Christmas at 50%, so she is $12.45 until December 26th.

Merry Christmas/happy holidays to everyone at Renderosity, by the way!

I purchased her when she was released and I do like her. However, there are some technical difficulties that make her very hard to rig for.

The response on the SM forums when she was released (which was actually some time ago) were not favorable.

And another

I didn't know Ali had his own web site. Interesting.

Yup! The web address is Mankahoo He's got many hair figures there that aren't for sale in the RMP, and they're cheaper there as well.

randym77 posted at 11:05PM Tue, 24 December 2019 - #4374387

I didn't know Ali had his own web site. Interesting.

Glitterati, can you elaborate on the technical difficulties that make her hard to rig for? Is it difficult to fit other figures' hair to her? What about clothing, etc.? Have any 3rd parties created add-ons for her? If she's difficult to work with, then I'd probably do better to put my money on figures that ARE widely supported instead. Thanks!

Glitterati3D posted at 11:08PM Tue, 24 December 2019 - #4374384

I purchased her when she was released and I do like her. However, there are some technical difficulties that make her very hard to rig for.

The response on the SM forums when she was released (which was actually some time ago) were not favorable.

I would have probably bought her if she had some more clothes, especially conforming ones. Not to keen on spending loads of time fiddling to make clothes for other people fit to her.

But I like some variety in my Runtime, and she has a different look.

Anim8dtoon posted at 4:46AM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374391

Glitterati, can you elaborate on the technical difficulties that make her hard to rig for? Is it difficult to fit other figures' hair to her? What about clothing, etc.? Have any 3rd parties created add-ons for her? If she's difficult to work with, then I'd probably do better to put my money on figures that ARE widely supported instead. Thanks!

Publicly, no, I won't "diss" someone else's figure. I'm sure you understand why.

As for hair, given that it's an Ali figure, she really has plenty that fits her natively from Ali, but the first image is an old V4 hair - Ophelia hair.

@glitterati3d: since technical difficulties were already mentioned, I think it is better to be specific so we all know what the issues are you refer to and we can see whether they affect us or not. Without specification of the allegation becomes a bit Kafka.

Anim8dtoon posted at 6:36AM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374390

Yup! The web address is Mankahoo He's got many hair figures there that aren't for sale in the RMP, and they're cheaper there as well.

randym77 posted at 11:05PM Tue, 24 December 2019 - #4374387

I didn't know Ali had his own web site. Interesting.

That's his Renderosity store address which doesn't seem to be working at the moment. You can find his web address in my Directory under the "Hair" category. He's listed under both names.

FVerbaas posted at 7:00AM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374409

@glitterati3d: since technical difficulties were already mentioned, I think it is better to be specific so we all know what the issues are you refer to and we can see whether they affect us or not. Without specification of the allegation becomes a bit Kafka.

Unless you plan to rig clothing for her, no, it doesn't affect you. And, since you don't do conforming clothing, it simply doesn't pertain to you.

Glitterati3D posted at 3:00PM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374413

FVerbaas posted at 7:00AM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374409

@glitterati3d: since technical difficulties were already mentioned, I think it is better to be specific so we all know what the issues are you refer to and we can see whether they affect us or not. Without specification of the allegation becomes a bit Kafka.

Unless you plan to rig clothing for her, no, it doesn't affect you. And, since you don't do conforming clothing, it simply doesn't pertain to you.

Not a good attitude in my opinion. Do you not want to share information or do you simply not have any?

adp001 posted at 9:13AM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374427

Glitterati3D posted at 3:00PM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374413

FVerbaas posted at 7:00AM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374409

@glitterati3d: since technical difficulties were already mentioned, I think it is better to be specific so we all know what the issues are you refer to and we can see whether they affect us or not. Without specification of the allegation becomes a bit Kafka.

Unless you plan to rig clothing for her, no, it doesn't affect you. And, since you don't do conforming clothing, it simply doesn't pertain to you.

Not a good attitude in my opinion. Do you not want to share information or do you simply not have any?

Merry Christmas!

Ah yeah – merry Christmas ;)

The fact that nothing of mine is published here at RR does not mean that I do not make clothes. I do. Dynamic and conforming.

I was interested because I had purchased Bella1.1 in and wanted to add a Bella mannequin to the MDBridge for Poser. These mannequins are essentially skinsuits that come without all the humbug that makes the original figure less suitable as an avatar in MD.

The below is a plain fitting room result; just figure plus suit in and figure out. The mesh ensity of the suit is about 8 times as high as Bella's.

There are bumps in the weigth maps. As far as I can see this is the fitting room having interpolation problems on the coarse mesh. It is not a Bella problem.
My conclusion is that the geometry of Bella is on the low side to be used as a target in the fitting room. She would need a dev figure.

(Bella Mesh shown 1x subdivided)

adp001 posted at 12:08PM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374439

Ah yeah – merry Christmas ;)

The fact that nothing of mine is published here at RR does not mean that I do not make clothes. I do. Dynamic and conforming.

Then I would suggest you go purchase Bella and come to your own conclusions.

A flash from the past:

Glitterati3D posted at 7:06PM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374443

Then I would suggest you go purchase Bella and come to your own conclusions.

Yes, I purchased her an hour ago. Her mesh looks promising (better polygonflow than LaFemme).

And from now on, I'm gonna ignore you.

FVerbaas posted at 7:18PM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374442

There are bumps in the weigth maps. As far as I can see this is the fitting room having interpolation problems on the coarse mesh. It is not a Bella problem.
My conclusion is that the geometry of Bella is on the low side to be used as a target in the fitting room. She would need a dev figure.

Sounds feasible. After the first impression the figure seems to be worth it.

Just FYI for those interested, If the basic bone hierarchy for Bella is the same as the free version I have ,then she is very easy to animate and can take V4 body animation data with minimal adjustments.

I may post a free basic walk cycle for her on my google drive if I can find the time.

FVerbaas posted at 2:43PM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374444

A flash from the past:

Never seen that figure before, looks a bit like Roxie on first glance. And I'm pleased more people here are prepared to admit their Poser characters come to life. I always used to worry that people might think I'm mad. I wouldn't mind as much, but I revisited some of the posts she made using my account, and all of her text formatting has been removed. She always used to post in bold green italics to differentiate her posts from mine, but now all of that text formatting has gone, so those old posts of her's make it look as if I'm talking to myself!

I've told her to stop using my account because of it, which as you can imagine, didn't go down too well with her!

10 second walk cycle For the "Bella" figure for poser. I will put on my googe drive tomorrow.

https://youtu.be/Y5bS9RUjT5w

There are only two free pumps for her and some fits for Paid Poser dynamic wardrobe: https://poserdazfreebies.miraheze.org/wiki/Bella#Resources_for_Paid_Wardrobe

wolf359: when you put that walk cycle up, I am going to add it to the wiki, is that ok?

@kerya yes feel free Link to download animated walk For the "Bella" figure

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-HDVUgCxXRv1Du9y7GOKieXMel7_NIZO/view?usp=drivesdk

Thank you!

By the way: Bella is natively supported in the Prefitter-CR2

If anyone else is interested in trying her, Mankahoo's store is on sale at 50% off through the 26th; discount shows up in the cart.....

Another free animation for Bella

Video of Bella dance animation https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-PTFpZfq5-SxjhdGp3l8gXCuaxKZrATT/view?usp=drivesdk

Animated Pose file here

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-R-hS5dfkrpk7zfPokcrGetFxNLIEFBH/view?usp=drivesdk

I got her, won't have time to play for a few days though :(

FYI

Ali was very helpful and quick with answers the last days. Thanks to him. His figure Bella is indeed worth to look at. And to make some free clloth for her :)

wolf359 posted at 7:14AM Sat, 28 December 2019 - #4374559

Another free animation for Bella

Video of Bella dance animation https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-PTFpZfq5-SxjhdGp3l8gXCuaxKZrATT/view?usp=drivesdk

Animated Pose file here

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-R-hS5dfkrpk7zfPokcrGetFxNLIEFBH/view?usp=drivesdk

Thank you ... just a small problem: these links are asking for a password, instead of leading to a download page?

Uppsi?

Try them now and let me know

Thank you! The are working now.

Thanks.. I had forgotten to turn on link sharing... My blunder.

Is anyone actively creating clothing for Bella? (sold or free) I have been battling with the fitting room and the Prefitter but the results look fine until she is posed and then flaws show up in the clothing thus created. (And I followed all the instructions to the letter.)

If I use her I mostly work with dynamic garments. She needs a hi-res development mannequin. See above about issues with conformers.

I ran into a Bella image I made a year ago ...

And I've been trying custom characters for Bella- here's Clarissa-

Well done.

Quite nice

This one will become become a free download soon:

these are all very nice :)

I made a free dynamic dress for Bella (better: reused one I made for Roxy):

Download at https://sharecg.com/v/95118/browse/11/Poser/Dynamic-Dress-for-Mankahoos-Bella or from my website (see my footer).

And another one I'm working on:

As promised: Blouse and Trousers can be downloaded via ShareCG or my website.

Here is the ShareCG downloadlink: https://sharecg.com/v/95131/browse/11/Poser/Dynamic-Outfit-for-Bella

serene posted at 5:29AM Wed, 29 January 2020 - #4376868

And I've been trying custom characters for Bella- here's Clarissa-

Very beautiful character!

adp001 posted at 5:30AM Wed, 29 January 2020 - #4377325

This one will become become a free download soon:

I love this one too :) She looks young and cute :)

FVerbaas posted at 5:34AM Wed, 29 January 2020 - #4376618

I ran into a Bella image I made a year ago ...

Beautiful work!