A helmet I modeled in Lightwave now in the free stuff. Did it from memory. Think it should have been a lion or tiger. Any way if enough request and I get pics of the actual suit. I will model it and upload to the free stuff.

That is so cool ron exellent job

Lovely job Ronmolina and your memory is astounding. I hope the pic helps. It is from a new German academic publication on archaeological finds of gladiator equipment. However, the book also uses some pics from the film for illustration purposes. I am using it and other publications to build a series of historically accurate gladiator amour and weapon sets. I scanned this in, if you need more detail I could try and photograph the pic. Let me know. Hope this is of some use to you. STORM

I downloaded the helmet and looked at it. It looks like you used the head from the Poser wolf. If you did, you can not distribute your helmet without encoding the OBJ. That would be copyright infringement.

Storm Thanks all pics help. Its a tiger and now I have a side profile of the face. Great! Thanks! I can do the whole suit now. Ron

Ron I actually think it might be a lion on the helmet, look at the mouth area. It has been a long time since I studied this stuff but as far as I remember the Romans actually wiped out the European Lion and decimated stocks of Asiatic Lions in their quest for supplies for the arenas in Europe. They also used stocks of African lions. As far as I know the European male lion did not have a big mane and female and male looked similar. But I could be wrong and my memory of my classical studies years ago could be playing tricks on me. Anyway what's a big cat here or there, unless you are a Christian. ;0) STORM

Wyrwulf You show me one point that is mathmetically the same as another mesh! I will eat my shorts. This mesh did not come from Poser. I have violated no copyrights. Further there is no obj in the file. It is a pp2 file which Poser can only read. If you like to know I made part of this mesh over 7 years ago. Is someone else using it? Please tell me who? Ron

Unless you made the Poser wolf, it is an amazing coincidence that the mesh lines are almost exact between your wolf head and the Poser wolf. Comparison image in Smooth Shaded mode.

Hidden Line Wireframe.

Flat Line.

Either way, the helmet is a male lion/tiger type, whether he owns the mesh or not.

Guess what I made this mesh wyrulwulf wish to challenge me? Hey you never showed me anything mathematically close.Hey guess what looks like my mesh on parts of it. Who did you say owns this? I challenge them to show me their earliest vesion. I will do the same. Also you have not shown an object yet. How come? Ron

Zygote does. It's the Poser 4 standard wolf head. It looks like either you ripped them off or they ripped you off, one.

Lets see who ripped who off. If Zygote or any one else owns the mesh let them come forward. Show your earliest version of the mesh. I own the mesh. Ron

I agree it does look alot like the zygote wolf but i beleive you made it and he should mind his own business. And u should make the cheeks smaller for the finished version but great job!

It is the same mesh that comes with Poser. Look at it. Either you ripped off Zygote/Daz3D, or they ripped you off. If you are right, you should sue Zygote/Daz3D. If you are wrong, you should take down the file.

Nope! I have not found anything on my copy of the cds that match that. Have You? Post the math! Why dont you do that? You cant it is my mesh! That file is staying there. Hey if it came with Poser and they are using it I did not give them permission! That is Curious I mean. It is my mesh. If Zygote or Daz3D wishes to challenge they can. No secret who I am! I use my real name. Ron

No problem. I sent an e-mail to Daz3D, inviting them to look at this thread. I don't understand your math requests. The mesh is almost identical. There are a few more verts in yours.

Hey thats cool now a match! Math is ones and zeros. Get it? Ron

As I said before, I have alerted Daz3D about this thread. I leave it up to them now.

Storm It is a long tooth tiger. I needed the side profile. Thanks! Ron

Great job! You go Ron company's steal and borrow too Microsoft is famous for it!

However - I think there's no copyright-infrindgement if you make it available in *.pp2 'cause that's the Poser-format and no other programm can use it (without import-filters) ... And the wolfs-head is only interestant as an object if it has moveable-parts (like the poser-wolf has) - The one on the helmet has no open-mouth morphdials (however - this would be a nice idea ... lol) and so nobody else can handle it as a wolfs-head like it is meant in Poser ... Hey - come on guys where are we going to ?? This prop is for poser - users ... If you're not owning poser ... you won't use it :o) If everyone claims his/her rights everytime we wouldn't come further ... (just some thoughts - it might be wrong - but I think that's human)

Well gee wiz, if what wyrwulf is suggesting here is to be true then they better shut down the market place, shut down all the forums and be done with it cause almost everything being given and sold is a derivative from Zygote/Daz in some way, shape or form unless you actually make it from bare bones scrap, (and only very FEW excel at this and CAN do this), and I am sorry, but "morphing" and adding on, and altering, and changing and enhancing, none of those make those SAME items "NEW", so if there is any cause for concern here....man, its way bigger wumpum stuff than just this here FREE helmet that only poser users can use! Like, what's the point here...??? I don't get it??? This is becoming so eventually no one will even bother wanting to do anything anymore for fear of folks jumping on their case for every little suspicious flaw they can find to make someone look like a creepy, in which case there is none here or else you better look around all over EVERYWHERE, not just here! Lets not stop here, shut down all the communities everywhere, they're all using the same derivatives of the same things, oh me, oh my, this is outragious! Geez, c'mon, we can be just a might too suspicious.....this is rediculous....

If you would like me to create a list here of all the things being SOLD here that are not original and NEW, I could, but be warned, it will be a loooong list and then if we go to the freestuff, man, this whole forum will collapse from the weight of this one lone message. But then, "legally" this is all supposed to be "okay" according to the rules set up or else folks certainly would not be doing this at all. Why the heck pick on ronmolina?? There's so many juicy things all over to compare notes about and they are not even free....cause this is bullshit....if you wish to hang one member for a piddly prop you better be ready to hang a whole lot more and then some! What makes it okay for some and not okay for others, I hate that, it's biased, and it's bullshit....there's nothing wrong here or else we got a really BIG problem all over.......wanna start with all the various Vickie's being resold........???

RadArt .. I think it is simply the fact that Ron claims it is his. Not saying that it isn't but when all the verticies are in the exact same place except doubled it looks a bit odd. That is all.

Hmmm. I can show loads of vertices in the same place of many things everywhere, and many times I don't ever see DAZ or Zygote logos on many things, or even in the readme. I am not trying to be a smartass, I am trying real hard NOT to be one here, however, I can go and morph a figure from Daz and I can make a prop based on Daz material and I can go and sell it or give it away and not say nuttin bout nuttin and probably not get this much attention, as so many others do as well, if there were actually a problem with this it would certainly not be condoned, nevermind a common practice everywhere, so why pick on ronmolia?? In some respects this is as much ronmolias as so many of those figures being sold in the store are those of their creators, only as much as what has been "altered" to make them as unique as can be. It is just common sense knowledge that "almost" everything around is a derivative of some kind from elite originals unless one creates fresh from Rhino or 3DMax or any other such programs and I hate to remind you but those talents are very FEW and far between here. No offense to anyone please, I am merely stipulating how silly this all sounds. Take care and cheers.

There is not one point or vertex in the same place as any object that came with Poser. Also I have no objects in my file. It is a pp2 file. If anyone claims to own this mesh let them come forward! Ron

Since it's obvious that a person at Daz make's the mesh and the company does not magically produce them. Then it's possible that Ron has the talent to do the same as someone that work's for them. I don't know Ron but the fact that he use's his real name and is a real person gain's him my support over any company. I may be wrong, but then I'm not perfect and never claimed to be and apologize in advance.

Not even gonna get involved in this one. Simply refuses to look at this thread again

Ron, as has been shown to you here and as you probably well know also DAZ/Zygote has an exact wolf configuration that is just like on this PROP you are giving away. Even if you did use that configuration it don't matter, your not doing anything bad cause only poser folks can use it, and your not even selling it. Now, maybe you might actually have made this yourself at one time and the coincidence of similarities is just incredible, that has a possibilty of happening in life, but if you did, it's hard to believe it is your OWN from perfect scratch because it is so similar and that's what is causing all this fuss. If you did or did not, either way its no reason to call DAZ over unless your actually "making" oodles on it and suggesting its all yours, this is free and looks the same, so? So do many other things. If you must insist on fighting over originator of mesh you may have a hard time because it does look so similar in so many ways. And this is why they are getting on your case here. I'm outta here now....take care all....

First off the people at DAZ3D are great folks. I have been there. Now can we model this suit to look close to the movie. Storm thanks for the pics. The more pics I have the greater the detail. Storm looks to me it is a mountain lion. Ron

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