In answer to your original question mesh -- T. McVeigh was a christian. Doesn't his bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal Building mean that christians have worn out their welcome in America? You might at least TRY using a few of the brain cells you were born with. You might consider the fact that 99.99% of all Arab-Americans are here precisely because they were trying to get AWAY from assholes like the ones that did the WTC.

I posted in the thread "France" which I think part of would also have suited this post. That is the part about Muslims and how the vast majority of them are as horrified by these acts as the rest of us. To single out a particular race or religion and deny them the same rights as the rest of the free world would not only be horribly wrong but also extremely predjudiced. "Muslims" and "Arabs" are not necessarily the same as "terrorist" and you may someday learn to differentiate the two Mesh, when you grow up and actually learn a bit more of life.

Since you are one I will tell you my reasonings. There are two key topics that you never bring up in discussion at parties or business. (in this case and time I think it applies here too for now) 1. Politics (no side is totally right, no side is totaly wrong) 2. Religion - no one will ever agree on it, especially here...and this thread has degenerated into flamage already.

Two more topics never to bring up at parties: 1. Football (unless you're in Texas, then this counts as "religion") 2. Football (did I mention football?)

{Jam: And to those who want to jam me for waving the Bible around, let me just say I didn't print IN GOD WE TRUST all over our money. Neither did the US till the McCarthy era.} Seriously? I didn't know that... Interesting {For cures, security, without a question, needs to be tightened. As far as background, skin color, etc. that is all determined genetically and no on has any control over that. } Security needs to be CHANGED. We need to TRAIN the security people to look for seriously suspicious behavior, explosives, and potential biological weapons. These should all trigger major reactions. Guns and knives shouldn't be a concern - each flight should either have an armed Air Marshal, armed flight crews, or both. Yes, there is a risk that a stray bullet will take out the plane, but I think that risk is easier to take than the risk of another plane being flown into a major population center or national landmark. And any passengers who want to carry weapons - and have any relevant licenses and such - should be allowed to do so. That will discourage a terrorist more than anything else, IMO, the thought that "I've got a gun, but so do half of the other passengers"... {Though I usually subscribe to the Way of Weatherwax (a good friend of Ms. Cosmopolite)} Heh. Don't drink HIS blood then! {This thread is now going to go absolutely nowhere but down. } No, DD. Given its title, this thread STARTED at rock bottom. It has nowhere to go but sideways... {In answer to your original question mesh -- T. McVeigh was a christian. Doesn't his bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal Building mean that christians have worn out their welcome in America?} I just heard that brought up on the radio. He was also a radical Conservative as well, and an alleged Constitutionalist. Of course, the media WANTS those two groups kicked out of the country...

I'm amazed that no serious challenge has been made to the nonsense defacing the currency of the US. It, and the laws enabling and enforcing it, are clearly unconstitutional. The founders took a lot of time mulling over and refining the Constitution, and it specifically states that there shall be no establishment of religion (it also says there shall be no test of religion in order to achieve office). The founders undoubtedly intended the infrastructure of the state to be free of religion. The currency of a country is one of the fundamental basics that make it a country, and is clearly an instrument of the state. Placing religious propaganda relating to the Semite deity upon the currency is a clear establishment of a religion. Indeed, the founders created their own national motto "One From Many" for the coinage of the Union, which needs no explanation and refers to the issue that was uppermost in their minds. It is disturbing that a lobby group can so successfully userp the Constitution, and pervert the institutions of the state in order for their illegality to prevail. Ironically, in the UK, where the church is completely established (bishops automatically sit in parliament and have access to government), Christianity is just about finished as far as the vast majority of the people are concerned. They recognise it for the nonsense it is.

Now it's Christian bashing time. (SIGH) Events like last weeks attack brings out the best in people.....and the worst. Now that the sympathy, caring, and helping is over, the hateful diatribes begin. Against muslims, then arabs, and now christians. Did you know a Hindu temple burned down yesterday in a highly suspicious fire? And they had NOTHING to do with what happened. I truly weep for my country.... Yes, I'm Catholic and Canadian. I support Bush in this, as do many Canadians. I DON'T support hate however, and I really dislike hearing my beliefs called nonsense. Sorry PJF, but I do. God bless America AND Canada! Greywolf Starkiller

I probably haven't paid much attention to the mottoes on my money because, like most people's, it goes through my hands so fast, I don't have time to read it!

...besides, no offense to anyone, but I have a hard time getting righteously irate about a post stating the need to bann[sic} anyone from an are[sic] plane. 8)

hehe... sounds like Micheleh :)

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This whole thread is stupid!

(((1. Football (unless you're in Texas, then this counts as "religion") 2. Football (did I mention football?) ))) LOL! Good thing I don't get into sports. (((No, DD. Given its title, this thread STARTED at rock bottom. It has nowhere to go but sideways...))) Heh...sorry man. I stand corrected. Good to see you posting again. (((This whole thread is stupid!))) AMEN. Just to lighten it up a bit 1 ur thread sux

Greywolf - I was not bashing christians when I made the above question (#52) to Mesh - I made that post as a way of pointing out how ridiculous it is to pick out some group of people and blame them for the actions of one individual or a few individuals. It is as ridiculous to blame all Muslims for the WTC as it would be to blame all christians for Oklahoma City just because McVeigh happened to be a christian. One might just as well say, "well, the terrorists had black hair, so EVERYBODY with black hair is now a suspect and must be banned from airplanes." And now, many (determinedly non-thinking) people are now attacking Sikhs and Hindus, two groups who have traditionally been at odds with and frequently fought against Muslims, simply because they wear turbans or look "middle eastern". And if the next terrorist attack somewhere in the world just happens to be by someone of say, Scandinavian origin, with blond hair - would it then be appropriate to hate and suspect ALL blonde people everywhere of being terrorists??? Mesh - Let me put it this way. I have no idea what your "ethnic" background is, but whatever - if somebody somewhere who just happens to be of the same ethnic background as you commits a similar act of terrorism, then by the logic of your original post to this thread, it would be only fair and correct to suspect YOU and ban YOU from planes because of it. As I said in my earlier post, SOME people (Mesh - this means YOU - among others) need to make a HUGE shift in their habits and consider actually USING a few of their brain cells for a CHANGE.

why? there's no fun in that :) Besides, I need my one brain cell to figure out which bottle of booze I want tonight(just kidding)

{It is disturbing that a lobby group can so successfully userp the Constitution, and pervert the institutions of the state in order for their illegality to prevail.} That's American politics in a nutshell. The Federal Reserve exists in direct contradiction to the Constitution. We have a standing, professional military in contradiction of the spirit and letter of the Second Amendment. Note, however that the currency says: "In God we Trust" Not "In The Christian God We Trust." Not "In Allah We Trust," not "In Jahweh We Trust," not "In Jehovah We Trust," not "In Buddha We Trust," not "In Shang Di We Trust.' In God We Trust. We place our faith in a superior force, irregardless of who or what that force may be. It could even be The State itself... {And if the next terrorist attack somewhere in the world just happens to be by someone of say, Scandinavian origin, with blond hair - would it then be appropriate to hate and suspect ALL blonde people everywhere of being terrorists??? } Nah. Blondes aren't smart enough to be terrorists... ;-) (BTW, I'm blond...) Now one point about the silliness of this thread: There are airlines owned and run by Arabic companies. Some of them are among the most secure airlines in the world (admittedly, many of them use planes built or designed by Americans). Should we deny them access to their OWN airlines, or just to the ones owned by Americans?

Darn it CB... there you go applying logic and spoiling everyone's fun. ;]