Here is sort of what I'm planning. Gladrial. Don't look at the figure she's far from done! This is very much WIP. Yes also the hir color is all wrong, like I said WIP. I couldn't get an imediate respond for a particular style, so I played Dr. Frankenstein myself. This is the Zygote's Woman's Damsel top.I removed the bottom half as well as the braid. Grabbed the Poser Hair 5, chopped off the top. And then the surgery began. I tapered the bottom, removed the sideburn straggles and shoved them together. Well for a distant shot or maybe after retouching...it might work. The BAD thing is that I did NOT close a lot of ends, so when it imports it has a lot of dissapearing faces/normals (which render fine). Can anyone make a proper hair prop like this? Secondly, I hate this dress on her (not very elven-like). I need a simple square neck, slight puff sleaved, pointed cuff, loose and flowing down with a braid tie at the waist 16th cent-ish gauzy dress (I can supply a pic). The Garb collection CD on I forget which site, (somewhere linked to MorphWorld) is too formal. Help anyone! I would like to include Gladrial in my collection of Tolkien characters. James

This is what I'm looking for Allerleirauh. Oh And sorry, I've been working too hard and I'm dislecticGaladriel. ;-) The puff I was talking about was a tie on the arm, creating the puff/fold. James

James, As usual. I am stunned by your work. Congratulations again. Richard Kane

James, I think that you can reproduce the dress perfectly! Use steve shanks comforming Victorian freebie plus a posable cape tapered and rescaled to your liking! (there are plenty as freebies around) If you need a helping hand with the textures I'd love to contribute! :o) renapd

Or use a couple of magnets and shape a conforming cape the way you like it! :o)A transmap could help to shape the edges even further...(getting funny ideas here...) LOL! renapd

The Victorian dress was an option, but again too formal. And even with magnets I can't get the dress/skirt part to taper in the way it should. I'm afraid the dress must be modeled. I'm in the works of buying Carrarra, this might help. I'm using Infini-D 4.01 and Imagine for my modeling. As to the mantle, I believe that it could be made as a static prop, and with morph targets, able to have limited movement. Allerleirauh: I too could whip this out on my sewing machine in a day. :-) James

James...I think you are missing the obvious! Don't look at the victorian dress the way it is displayed by steve shanks. A texture makes a whole lot of difference...check it here looking a lot more like what you need! From Victorian to Medieval.. :o) http://members.xoom.com/renapd77/Textures7.htm All you need is a transmap to make the neckline the way you wish it to be and to paint the dress with a light cloth color & just add the belt & ornaments at the right places. If I didn't have to take my son to the hospital for a checkup I'd give it a shot myself right away! Oh..maybe later tonight! :o) renapd