I don't want to blame someone here though I'd love to... I won't mention his name now, but there's a guy in the Vue (and Poser) community who's using other scenes (or parts of them), changing them slightly and getting the applause for his pics; he's done this at least 4 times since June this year (I didn't trace it further)... I think it's more than unfair against the REAL artists, isn't it? In one case this jerk (sorry!) even only changed the scene from night to day and changed the angle slightly - but all objects (very nice buildings!) are not modeled by him but by another artist (all 4 pics use parts from sample scenes which come with Vue 4). What do you think about this behaviour? It's not that this guy does it always, some of his pics really are not too bad, but who knows if he's not using other and more existing scenes from other programs if he did it before? I'm simply mad at this! :((( Regards, Karsten

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Sample scenes are a great way for some people to learn more advanced skills. Not everyone starts at a expert level. If somebody makes something, actually renders it out and wants to show it so people can make comments about it so that they can learn well that's what this place is all about. I personally after spending as much as several months making a mesh scene use it every way I can go get the best mileage out of it. If I don't know how to do something and there is a sample scene available I'll load it and see how it was made. That's what we do here man we share. I'm sure anyone that can now use there programs expertly can relate to this. It's a long road to expert.

I used sample scenes a few times to understand how they could reach that level of 'goodness'. I am not sure what the original post is about though (I did not recognize who it is about). If this guy just opened a sample scene from the Vue CD, changed a light or two and called it his own : this is questionable. If he made the scene himself, or used a sample scene and replaced everything with something different : what is the problem with that ? As for using models designed by others, this is common practice. I, for one, am nowhere good enough to model everything from scratch. In many ways, what we are doing with Vue is closer to computer generated photography. We put together a scene (wether we modeled everything is irrelevant) and we take one or many shots of that scene. If I take a picture of the Statue of Liberty at night, nobody is going to complain I did not build the statue myself. Same thing if I paint a fruit basket or a portrait. The difference is in how much work has been put into making something original.

Filmfan, that's very important. Please send me an Instant message with the name of the person. It is completely forbidden here to pretend images as his own if they are not. I will see and contact him when necessary without mentioning your name. Guitta

Busted ! Ha ha. See what goes around comes around. If somebody is actually stealing images well that's a different story. That's a no no here.

@agiel: This is exactly what this guy did; 2 of his scenes were changed so lightly that it was nothing that a bad joke to claim this his own works (in fact he has uploaded them on his private homepage - with "Design" statement, oh my god... - and claimes them there @2002 by xxx). and @Guitta - somehow I feel bad now too, because with 1 pic (and only this one) I was wrong obviously; the other 3 pics were deleted by this guy, after he wrote me 2 very upset instant messages ggg... we discussed it out and I think he won't do this again, so I won't mention his name now but I'll have an eye on further works by him g ;)) At least: he has my respect for deleting those pics, because the 3 earned 9 and more very positive comments and ratings, but the fact he deleted them from the Vue Gallery shows his good character, so let us give him a new chance, he did very nice pics of his own so far and as stated before, I'm very sure he never will do this again. Regards, Karsten

To use Vue's sample scenes is not a problem. When you post a slightly or much transformed image from the Vue CD created by some one else, just say it. Say that you have changed this and that. The problem is only when some one tries to sign images from somebodey else with his own name. There is a copyright policy to respect at Renderosity. Guitta

I usually don't get involved in any of this type of BS. But quite frankly you sound a bit childish. We are all here to learn and share. Get over it is my humble opinion.

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".. we discussed it out and I think he won't do this again, so I won't mention his name now but I'll have an eye on further works by him g ;))...so let us give him a new chance, he did very nice pics of his own so far and as stated before, I'm very sure he never will do this again. Regards, Karsten " _________________________shhhh!!!...good but?... "I have seen Alexanders images, he even has some of them on his private homepage. When he takes the image "Cave Dweller" from Eric Kinzelin, changes slightly the camera angle and the colors of the shutters and then signs the image as his own :-)Guitta" _______________________________________ LOL! I certainly find this very interesting...I thought I read correctly no name mentioned. Mannn! Sorry people....can't help keeping the comment to myself...LOL!

Yes I find the whole thing very humorous and still childish. If you guys want to hang Alexanders reputation out in the wind that is your karma to deal with. If it is as serious as you all make it sound then file a lawsuit. The guy that should be crying is Eric Kinzelin if he was infringed on. Whatever. I still think it is funny and not a subject for this board. This should have been handled in private. IMHO. :O)

"I have seen Alexanders images, he even has some of them on his private homepage. When he takes the image "Cave Dweller" from Eric Kinzelin, changes slightly the camera angle and the colors of the shutters and then signs the image as his own :-)Guitta" Really, what I find childish is the fact that even though FilmFan said it was worked out and to NOT mention their name, you mention the name!! Sorry Guitta this is childish, and reading some of your past posts, you seem to jump the gun allot, I won't mention the thread about the "illegal models" that were not illegal. OOOPS I mentioned it. Oh well.... If this is what you have to be like to become a moderator....well count me out. What happened to innocent until proven guilty... Not here it seems. My 2cents, -Paul

After I wrote the first message I immediately thought "Must this really be...?" - I almost knew I shouldn't have written it. g Guitta, I agree - I think it was not necessary to mention Al... (oops!) name here. ;) Let's close this topic now, folks - have a nice weekend! Kalle

I don't know what to say! Copyright is copyright but ... I thought that such a "witch hunt" - even when it is only a little - could happen here in our vue forum! Filmfan1966 was right to post the problem and the way how he handled it privately was very correct. The rest ... I am out of words! Bernie

I have deleted my message with "the name" in it and aplologize for having named the person. I was too fast and very angry about that. This doesn't change any thing to the fact that copyright infringement is copyright infringement and is wrong. We are here to defend your copyright also:-). This thread is now closed. Guitta