lol I most the time copy my words incase something happen. I forgot to did it this time and lost what I wrote I hate that and over the size of the thumbnail too. I turn off my lights and just turn on the UV lighting here. I then put on the timer and place the camera looking up and me looking down and you see what it got. I did focus the camera on something about the same distiane before I did this. Focus with the real lights on. You can not see under the blacklight. Thanks for the IM I will set the asa to 50 because of the grainy look to this. Here I must have it on 50asa. I was testing both setting and I do have images in brightsunlight too. I did look at a lot of IR images on the net. I saw them in bright sun light too. This film was made for spy work for low lighting so let see what low lighting will do I got some ideals here by just this one film I used. I know every one takes photos of flowers and sunsets and sunrises which is good. I not against that. But try to see what you can do to shoot it diff to show what you trying to think of the image of a senset. Never saw a photo of the sun setting underwater. That be a diff pov. If I gave you a Ideal please use it to shoot one underwater to see how it come out. I like to know. May be I thinking crazy but I like to see what the limits are. I know I just started in photos and know nothing. Lol Tom know a lot more and others in the forum. Where they learn all this I do not know. Just go to the forum and read the knowlegde of these people; it mind blowing. What I wrote the first time is alongt the same lines. Thanks for looking and comments