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Subject: Hypocrisy at it's best!
Derty, if you will actually read the description, it is a morph to make a late teenager... as in, eighteen or nineteen. it is not intended to make a twelve-year-old with breasts, which is what he was knocking. I don't believe he owes anyone an apology. You might, however.
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"Derty, if you will actually read the description, it is a morph to make a late teenager... as in, eighteen or nineteen. it is not intended to make a twelve-year-old with breasts, which is what he was knocking." That is all the faerie characters are too.... I quoted him as saying its a 19 year old. If its not wearing lingerie and make-up its a 12 year old?
Derty, Sorry but it seems you are ranting about something that is not there. Comparing a 19 year old poser character to past arguements about fairys that look like children is not working in this instance. Best to just delete your post before some admins comes along and does it for you, and gives you a warning to boot. Seems pretty close to a personal attack IMHO.
Its the same morphs and figure, just diffrent textures and clothes, it is the same thing and a diffrent person making them. i feel i made it clear it wasn't a personal attack on him or his product just to point out a little hypocrisy from someone who hurt a lot of folks feelings by doing that which he ranted against on serveral occasions.
Well, I like both the fairie characters and Blackhearted's newest creation.....and to me they are not at all alike. To me, the faerie's are more childlike then Nia, who looks like a petite 19-20 something goth young woman. Not anything like the faerie's looked. I don't think it's being hypocritical at all, Nia is way more developed then the faries ever were, and I have to disagree with Faeriegurl about the little faeries ever being close to an adult...their breasts were hardly close to being fully developed...their bodies did look like a child just entering puberty....but that's just my opinion. As I said, I like them both, don't think this is hardly worth arguing about...unless of course you are in fact arguing about BH and his opinions, which if you are then it would be a personal attack and should probably be mentioned to an admin. My whole thing is if you aren't trying to start crap, then why even bring it up? If you are that incensed about it, better to spew forth to a friend via IM or email then to a public forum. Pendy
As I said it's not a personal attack, just a point i thought was interesting and all the people that think so obviously have some problems of their own. I said i liked his new model also so i dont see your point pendarian. Obviosly someone in charge has already seen the thread and moved it from the Poser forum where it started and didn't see it as a personal attack.
The chick from fern gully had a big ass and little mound breast! She looked like she was about 15 but I'd have to rank her older being that she was smootching with blond headed little man. hhhmmmmm!!!!! I wonder how old tinkerbell was. She was from never never land and they never grew old. They could've put her in a g-string and she could have been a 600 year old chick who looked like a 15 year.
Ah, the old "fairies are really naked children/ they are not" debate. Someone should tell the Poser people that this argument is going on! Okay, then, I'll be the one to say it. (You know someone has to.) If it looks like a 12-year old, but with wings, then it's a 12-year old. It's not a "4000 year old fae who lives in the wooded area to the west of Neumiroth". On the other hand, what is the "legal age" for CG characters? You see a child, I see a fairy. And "Vicky" was released by DAZ in late 2000. Does that make it a picture of a 2 year old? And how about nude images of Vicky 3? She looks pretty developed for a 1-month old! And Posette has been around since, what, 1999? So that makes her 3 years old? They're just children!
Lol, good point JohnRender. It's all based on peoples perception. Judging from all the arguments i've heard here in the past about the subject i know some 53 year olds who must be lying about their age beacuse they LOOK about half their age and have A cup breasts, and if you judge age by breast size, you'd have to at least cut that age in half so that would make them 13 and a half, guess i better go tell them they aren't old enough to be driving and smoking yet. This was not posted to be a legal age debate though.
HEHEHEHE great! John Render to the rescue! :) You're right Derty it is all about something as subjective and ambigious as perception. Some person's perception is keeping me from getting good anime in the U.S. so instead I take risk in the european markets. sounds like Ye OLD! "Let's save the children at the expense of the Adults!" campaign. Christian Coalition, Tipper and her Gore group from the 80's revitalized to push moral smack in vials of crack bottles. Let's pack a bowl in the name of morality and roll a doobie for old time sakes.
Faeriegurl, I should amend my post to say that most of the faeries that BH was referring to were not as well developed as Nia. My faeries are, and there is no mistake that they are not preteen girls. I really and truly don't care...artists as far as I am concerned can portray faeries any way that they want to. :) I like that faerie by the way, she's really cute Cookie :) It's not just the size of breasts either Derty, it's the face and their general overall look. I remember when all of this reared it's ugly head before, and it's just as ugly now. And you are right, the age thing was not the debate, from where I read, the debate was whether or not people thought BH was a hypocrite because he released a product based on the preteen character after what he said about the faeries. And I don't know about you, but someone calling me a hypocrite or accusing me of hypocritical behaviour is very much a personal attack, I don't care how you paint it, or try to backtrack with it. I think before you ask us not to take it as such, you should reread your post that started this fairly useless thread. Point being, it's your personal opinion, with a personal axe to grind about it, so you should have kept it personal instead of coming into a public forum. If you have a real problem with his product speak with him about it,no sense in dregging up old arguments to create hard feelings and start another thread on something that hurts the community. I'm outta here, this is one personal witch hunt I don't want to be a part of. If that sounds too strong for you, sorry about that....but ya see it's this way..two weeks ago my dear mother in law died, so this petty crap in the scheme of things is so not important, it's almost laughable. Surely there is something better you can do with your time...like art. Pendy
"from where I read, the debate was whether or not people thought BH was a hypocrite because he released a product based on the preteen character after what he said about the faeries." The point was that he called people names and bashed them for making characters with breasts based off the preteen model, and now he is.... faeries just happen to be what he was bashing at the time. He was saying anyone that morphed the preteen character to makes breasts (faeries or not) - no matter how big or small, was a pervert. If someone calls me a pervert are you saying I don't have the right to point out when they have done what they dissed everyone else for when they didn't even get in any trouble for making personal attacks against a whole group of people at once? All I said was i feel like he owes apoplogies to a lot of people...how do you keep seeing personal attacks in that unless you are trying to make it into that. I'm entitled to my unpoplular opinion just you are entitled to yours and I happen to think my unpopular opinion is valid.
"making personal attacks against a whole group of people at once?" How can that be "Personal"? Targeting a group can not be "personal" IMHO Singling out one "Person" however,"Is" Personal" Not taking sides, just pointing that out Deb ,I didn't know about your mother in law. I'm sorry to hear that . My condolences Tom
“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”
Excuse me, but who is an authority here on what Fairies look like? Last time I checked, they didn't even exist, so NOBODY knows! They might be like 12, they might be well-built, the fact remains, WE DO NOT KNOW! Using children for porn is wrong. Arguing about what non-existent fantasies lok like is a waste of time and plain silly.
L'ultima fòrza è nella morte.
So, Derty, since you are the authority on fairies... tell me what they look like... and please be accurate and give iron-clad prove. It was you who brought the little non-existant critters into this when you brought Blackhearted and his fairies into this... Oh, I understand just fine what you think this is all about. One person gets attacked by person B, and this person B in turn goes on to do the very same thing he complained about... So let's forget the fairies. What is this to you, it's not like you have a stake in this business of Blackhearted?? And why don't you just take this up with BH himself, privately, instead of making a public stink that absolutely nobody cares about?
L'ultima fòrza è nella morte.
Well, I know plenty of people who care about it, i said nothing about Blackhearted or his faeries (which he has none so i don't even know what you're talking about) he attacked faerie modelers by name for making breast morphs for the preeteen - now he is, thats rather hipocitical of him and rather humerous since by saying such hes inadvertenly saying the same thing about himself now. Faeries have never been the issue here so no one needs any proof, please refer to my last 4 posts. Youre right though i don't have any interset in Blackhearted - I hope he makes a million dollars and lives happily ever after. Its funny that you people keep saying this forum doesn't need the fighting yet you all keep trying to fight with me. This has never been a fight. So since everyone wants to be that way about it, I'm not even respoding to this thread anymore because everyone one else is trying to start fights about things that aren't there.
sorry folks, i dont have time to read all the posts here.. im down in richmond, and on xmas eve i trashed my car :( been running around trying to get parts and fix it so that rio and i can drive home, over 1500 km away. already out several hundred dollars. hopefully rio and i can be home by new years. anyways, ill be the first to admit that i have, in the past, commented upon the faerie renders that i thought were underaged. i was set off by a render that showed a little girl around age 8 with fully postworked prepubescent labia, etc. im not going to get into this again, nor am i going to launch any attacks on that artist - id like to think that ive made my peace with them. nia is something different altogether. the only thing she has in common with these other 'faeries' is that shes based on the millennium girls. ive completely remorphed her, and in the second promo image on RDNA (the one entitled height comparison) you can see just how completely different she is from the millennium preteen. check it out HERE. so this is a pretty cheesy little flame attempt, and the only reason i dignified it with an answer is because im grateful to the people who, in my absence, pointed it out to me and defended the character that rio and i worked very hard on. thank you, and merry xmas. cheers, -gabriel
"Youre right though i don't have any interset in Blackhearted - I hope he makes a million dollars and lives happily ever after. Its funny that you people keep saying this forum doesn't need the fighting yet you all keep trying to fight with me. This has never been a fight." whatever. look at the title of your thread and then try and tell me this isnt some half-assed little attempt at an attack on me. then again, dont bother - i wont be around to read your answer, i have a lot to do.
"Deb ,I didn't know about your mother in law. I'm sorry to hear that . My condolences" Tom Thanks Tom. It's been really rough, but we are doing okay. It was a horrible shock. It just makes this petty bulls**t even more annoying then it would have originally. And still feeling quite raw about personal things here, I just had to say something, because frankly,I'm tired of keeping my mouth shut and watching the community pick each other to death. Surely artists have better things to do then worry about what happened months ago...at least this artist does. Gabriel, sorry to hear about the car, take care of your business....we got your back here. You and Rio just enjoy the family with this unplanned additional time you have if you can. Pendy
OMG!!! Now he is taking over the fairies?!!! This is an outrage!!! It aint like he is the best at painting,Drawing and making his own stuff to selll and then he knows how to advertise too?!!! Damn good job Gabe!!Wish I had your talent!! good advertising;-)Get those who dont like you to do it for you. Now Im off to RDNA and buy that damn fairey to see what kinda of killer renders I can do with it. I bet its just as good as the rest of your work. Thank you for being here at rosity with us and sharing your talent! I wish you much success and hope you and rio get home safe.Gawds speed~
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I just went to RuntimeDNA to look around and lo and behold what did I see but a new character by Blackhearted made from the Preteen figure..... now if my memory serves me correctly (and it does) back in the C&D days, Blackhearted was over here bashing all the faerie makers (and artists) that made breast morphs for the preteen saying that anyone that did that or wanted to do that was a pervert and probably a pedophile. Now all this started a lot of fighting and bashing and ended up running a lot of the faerie makers (and artists) off and he (and his friends) hurt a lot of peoples feelings and caused several other problems that are better left unmentioned... But when someone comes in calling names like that it makes those few people not want to say anything because they don't want to be seen in a bad light so they just go on to other places.... so now I'm going to speak up for those people and point this out to everyone because i think if you're going to preach anything to the point of bashing people (and the people that like their work) you should be the first to be living it. Now to point out the faeries all come with flowers and cute clothes and love and happiness and all the faeries are hundreds of years old, Blackheared is selling a "19 year old" who by the ad obviously sleeps around with lots of people, skips school, stays out late, goes to raves and steals her friends boyfriends, comes with see-through lingerie and thong and gothrave make-up, breasts (like the faeries) and......pubes (unlike the faeries). ...Now....who is he to be saying anything to the faerie people. I think he owes alot of people alot of apologies to say the least for all the hurt feelings he's caused and I could name a lot of names he should start with...but I won't - he knows who they are. Now I'm not one to usually complain about anything and try to keep my opinions to myself but this just really set me off because i was one of the people he was arguing with and was one of the few that didn't leave and still posts their pictures here. And i want to point out that I'm not trying to bash his product, i don't see anything wrong with it, just his actions.